Who has changed their plans

[maccam1]

hope you enjoy the cruise.did a 7 day land,4day cruise to alaska it was awesome.
just roughly did an estimate of this trip,approx 1,200.00 campsite fees,no tax,etc.
gas around 1,800.00 just the round trip.of course all the other charges,entertainment,
eating out,admission fees for events.I guess its really not to bad for 3 weeks.

[Scttw]

Originally Posted by Camping family

While last year our long trip was canx because of the virus and the camp ground closed. Looks like this year our long trip will be canx cause of the price of fuel. Will still do some get a ways but will be shorter trips. Anyone else change their plans for this year?

Hopefully, not traveling last year allowed you to save up for the gas climb this year

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by bsmith0404

I will say that we have already booked a cruise for next year (2023) instead of planning a big RV trip. Not changing plans for this year, but I guess the cost has made a different style of vacation a little more attractive. When we factor in fuel and RV site reservation costs the cruise was a lot less money. Of course, our RV trip this year is 34 days, the cruise is 8, but it just seemed like a good time to cross something else of my wife’s bucket list.

You might do what I did. I told DW I was moving from the hot, ugly, windy, sandy town I live in when I retired. Tried several times with different "sweeteners" for her and she finally told me I could take that off my bucket list. She on the other hand harped about wanting to take a cruise to see new places, do new things. I finally told here there were many places I wanted to see and do in this country and I had zero interest in floating in a congested sardine can so she could take that one off her bucket list.....

[bsmith0404]

Originally Posted by maccam1

hope you enjoy the cruise.did a 7 day land,4day cruise to alaska it was awesome.
just roughly did an estimate of this trip,approx 1,200.00 campsite fees,no tax,etc.
gas around 1,800.00 just the round trip.of course all the other charges,entertainment,
eating out,admission fees for events.I guess its really not to bad for 3 weeks.

Yeah, cost per day was definitely more for the cruise, but it’s something different. I would have rather done an Alaskan cruise, but wife wanted to do the Western Caribbean. I guess the hood thing is it’s during the RV off season so we can still make some plans for RV trips. Probably go do some Harley rallys

[GHen]

We planned a few weeks in southern Utah national parks in April. Fuel would now be well over $1000 up about $350. Looks like we will just do some local exploration. The crowds have been very heavy at the National parks. Delaying the trip until Covid has settled down a bit makes sense anyway. Hopefully next year people will start going back to Hawaii, Mexico, etc and provide some space at the NP’s.

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by bsmith0404

I will say that we have already booked a cruise for next year (2023) instead of planning a big RV trip. Not changing plans for this year, but I guess the cost has made a different style of vacation a little more attractive. When we factor in fuel and RV site reservation costs the cruise was a lot less money. Of course, our RV trip this year is 34 days, the cruise is 8, but it just seemed like a good time to cross something else of my wife’s bucket list.

We have one booked with our daughters and their families next year as well. We bought insurance that "locks in" the price. Check your agent or cruise line to see if they offer it or if it's worth it to you.

[bsmith0404]

Originally Posted by flybouy

We have one booked with our daughters and their families next year as well. We bought insurance that "locks in" the price. Check your agent or cruise line to see if they offer it or if it's worth it to you.

Yeah, everything is locked in.

[bsmith0404]

Originally Posted by sourdough

You might do what I did. I told DW I was moving from the hot, ugly, windy, sandy town I live in when I retired. Tried several times with different "sweeteners" for her and she finally told me I could take that off my bucket list. She on the other hand harped about wanting to take a cruise to see new places, do new things. I finally told here there were many places I wanted to see and do in this country and I had zero interest in floating in a congested sardine can so she could take that one off her bucket list.....

I’m ok with the cruise, just hope being around the beaches and pools don’t get me in trouble😁. I’ve done a lot of traveling around the country while I was in the military. My wife not so much, so now our stateside travels tend to be taking her places I’ve already been and playing tour guide. It’s all good though, I only tell her about places I want to go back to.

[flyingjack]

Planned trip from CO to WA (not straight line) will be 3350 miles. Figure $2/gal increase will cost $100/wk extra; shouldn't be that much so maybe even half that. Don't know how many more of these fun trips we have so still going ahead.
Jack

[jasin1]

I’ve been on a few cruises with my family when the kids were younger…they are nice to but I’m not a group activity/bus tour type of person….we like to go off and explore by ourselves.

In 2018 we did a bareboat charter in the BVI ..huge powercat yacht…my son and I captained the boat…you have to pay for all your fuel and buy all your own food.

It’s like rv’ing on the water

The boat had a built in water maker, a generator that powered the whole boat with all the ac units all the time. Satellite internet….it was a mini cruise ship …3 separate cabins with own heads, boat was over 1.5 million dollars new.
Everything worked and was in perfect shape.

Found little coves and anchorages at night…best vacation ever


My wife and I with daughter/boyfriend…son /girlfriend.

Best way to travel and don’t think we can do a cruise again after that….you go just about anywhere you want for 10 days

You have to pay for airfare..it’s comparable to a luxury cruise if you split with everyone on board.

We paid $4.50 for diesel and $4.80 for gas (for the dinghy) in 2018…fuel cost us about $1000…(maybe a bit more now that I think about it)

If you ever get the chance I wouldn’t hesitate .charter catamarans both power and sail is all you see besides mega yachts …the water is like a swimming pool and you can cook all your meals on the boat if you choose…you go shopping at the grocery store the day you board…then they hand you the keys and say “buh bye”…you don’t hear from the charter company till you get back…any reef any town ( few island exceptions) any where you decide …you go…no traffic at all lol

The picture of the boat at anchor was a hike we took on one o& the islands with the boat anchored in the cove

Don’t get me wrong cruises are nice but I like the freedom.

We are talking about planning another one in near future..hopefully the world calms down a little

[markdol1]

ill just go back inside for more ICE COLD BEER!

[rhagfo]

Well we cruise also, but my question is, normally here in the PNW gas and diesel have been close in price. So why is it with the fuel shortage is diesel rising faster then gas? Do refineries start producing more gas to have a larger supply?

[bsmith0404]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

Well we cruise also, but my question is, normally here in the PNW gas and diesel have been close in price. So why is it with the fuel shortage is diesel rising faster then gas? Do refineries start producing more gas to have a larger supply?

Gas, oil, diesel are all subject to fluctuations in the world market. I can guess that the reason for diesel rising faster is that most goods are delivered using diesel fuel. Be it ship, rail, or truck. When prices rise, the demand for gas may go down due to people staying home more, but the demand for diesel does not. Again, only a guess.

[flybouy]

I'm no energy expert but here's my observations. I'm old enough to remember when pickups were gas, larger trucks were gas and diesel fuel was not in the crosshairs of the EPA. Deisel equipment became ever more popular and sales of deisel equipment grew rapidly. Then the "regulators" began to impose controls over deisel truck emissions and more chemicals and compounds had to be blended to the fuel by the refineries. That didn't effect all deisel consumers at first.

Fast forward and now the locomotives, power generating plants, ships, and large industrial usage such large steam boilers must use more refined fuels. The days of a large steam boiler fireing heavy oils or ships using number 6 bunker fuel are ending. It's not just the oil alone, the increase demand also increases the demand for all the addatives, the transportation, etc.

I'm sure someone far more knowledgeable on the subject will come along and offer a better explination.

[Badbart56]

Originally Posted by flybouy

I'm no energy expert but here's my observations. I'm old enough to remember when pickups were gas, larger trucks were gas and diesel fuel was not in the crosshairs of the EPA. Deisel equipment became ever more popular and sales of deisel equipment grew rapidly. Then the "regulators" began to impose controls over deisel truck emissions and more chemicals and compounds had to be blended to the fuel by the refineries. That didn't effect all deisel consumers at first.

Fast forward and now the locomotives, power generating plants, ships, and large industrial usage such large steam boilers must use more refined fuels. The days of a large steam boiler fireing heavy oils or ships using number 6 bunker fuel are ending. It's not just the oil alone, the increase demand also increases the demand for all the addatives, the transportation, etc.

I'm sure someone far more knowledgeable on the subject will come along and offer a better explination.

Many years ago (my first real "paying job" not on the farm) I worked at a Gulf station. If you can remember what a full service station did, that's what I did. Check the oil, clean the windshield, etc. Regular gas was .24 a gallon, NO-NOX was .28 a gallon and diesel was .17 a gallon/

There wasn't much demand for diesel back then, not when compared to today. We bought it for the farm in 55 gallon barrels and no one had a diesel pickup back then.

As I saw the price of diesel climb over the years and surpass gasoline I asked the question, why would a lesser refined petroleum product cost more that a product that required more refinement?

And the only answer I got was that they "cracked the barrel" differently now. I take that to mean that there was a greater demand for diesel so they found how to get more diesel from the barrel that what they previously did. When you stop and think about it, a quart of oil is theoretically less refined than gasoline so why does one quart cost as much as a gallon of gas?

I understand, petroleum companies are in business to make money, as are all businesses. And I, as well as most of us, not being engineers, will believe (not really) whatever those engineers tell us.....

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by Badbart56

Many years ago (my first real "paying job" not on the farm) I worked at a Gulf station. If you can remember what a full service station did, that's what I did. Check the oil, clean the windshield, etc. Regular gas was .24 a gallon, NO-NOX was .28 a gallon and diesel was .17 a gallon/

There wasn't much demand for diesel back then, not when compared to today. We bought it for the farm in 55 gallon barrels and no one had a diesel pickup back then.

As I saw the price of diesel climb over the years and surpass gasoline I asked the question, why would a lesser refined petroleum product cost more that a product that required more refinement?

And the only answer I got was that they "cracked the barrel" differently now. I take that to mean that there was a greater demand for diesel so they found how to get more diesel from the barrel that what they previously did. When you stop and think about it, a quart of oil is theoretically less refined than gasoline so why does one quart cost as much as a gallon of gas?

I understand, petroleum companies are in business to make money, as are all businesses. And I, as well as most of us, not being engineers, will believe (not really) whatever those engineers tell us.....

Again, not an energy expert here but comparing dumping 5,000 gallons of fuel into a tanker truck and delivering it to a few stops can't be compaired to packaging 20,000 quarts of oil individualy filled and delivered to many, many locations. The smaller the packaging the more expensive wether it's petroleum distillates or ketsup. Buying beer by the keg for example is far more economical than buying 6 packs of cans.

[German Shepherd Guy]

Typically we "camp" at our dog shows. Take the TT and are there for the week of shows. We like doing that as everyone else is there for the same reason so not only do we share "camping" experiences we share common interest.
With fuel prices rising we will now be doing cost comparisons. Camping versus hoteling it.First show for us of the season will be in the very end of April. Lots to juggle to see if we can still keep doing this. At least for now. Old age, Old dogs, and rising prices might be a sign it is time to move on to something else.

[gearhead]

Making gasoline and diesel is much more complicated than it was in the 1960's. I hired in Shells Deer Park Texas Complex January 7, 1974. I was a process Operator for about 10 years before I went to the Machinery group as a Millwright Apprentice. Most of my time was in the Olefins unit, lastly as a Machinery Specialist. The refinery that I saw in 1974 was almost unrecognizable in 2008 when I left. A ton of money spent for new construction per government mandates to reduce sulfur in diesel and aromatics in gasoline.
I'm surprised they don't charge more. The staff to keep a huge complex running would probably be quite a surprise to many. I think I was one of eight Machinery Specialists and each of us had our own Engineer. Other disciplines were the same...Electrical, Pressure Equipment, Instrument, etc. Plus, the same personnel for the Projects group. Plus the Firefighters, Nurses, Doctors, Safety Inspectors, Admin Assistants, Draftsmen, Heavy Equipment Operators, Garage Mechanics, Bricklayers, Carpenters, Lead Burners, and not to leave out the Opticians. It is one heck of a overhead.
Some good reading in here: https://bobistheoilguy.com/

[LHaven]

25 years ago when I started RVing, the routine was: head in the direction you wanted to go, figure out where are you likely to end up that evening by the time you want to start camp, start phoning a few of the campgrounds in the area and find one where you can stay for one night or several nights. Then when Covid hit, it was: reserve your campsite long in advance, because everybody owns an RV now and there aren't any vacant ones. Now that fuel prices have gone insane, whatever plans you have made involve prepaid reservations, and if you cancel them, you're out cash. So heck no, I'm not canceling anything.

[KevinKenney]

We are planning a trip from Texas to South Dakota then to Wisconsin to visit family. Went and filled up my truck tonight, oh snap $5.19 for diesel. This is going to be an expensive trip. Come hell or high water we are going. Have not seen my family since 2019.