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Old 06-29-2020, 04:45 PM   #1
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Sway in wind

Hi all,
I purchased a new tow vehicle (2019 RAM 1500) for our Keystone Passport (195RBWE) and seem to have more sway issues than the old truck (2003 Ford F-150)
The new truck has a lot more power so hills are no longer an issue. Just getting sway issues when we get into some wind. We have a BlueOx WDH with the solid spring bars, which I originally thought were sway bars.
Would it resolve the sway issue if I added friction sway bars?
Thanks for any help you can provide. Lemme know if additional info is needed.
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:49 PM   #2
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If the Blue Ox was sold as W/D and sway, you probably just need to adjust the hitch/saddles. If it was sold as just W/D then adding a friction sway control would probably be a good idea.
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:02 PM   #3
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I purchased the WDH (Blue Ox BXW1200) at the RV dealership. It’s possible the salesman gave me the impression the setup had sway control. Blue Ox shows the friction sway bars as optional accessories for this WDH model.
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:17 PM   #4
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Funny how salespeople “say” things. I would get 1 friction sway bar. Your trailer isn’t big/heavy enough for 2.
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:27 PM   #5
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Funny how salespeople “say” things. I would get 1 friction sway bar. Your trailer isn’t big/heavy enough for 2.
Thanks for your help, I’ll give it a try!
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:41 PM   #6
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Just yesterday I did a test with my truck/trailer in wind. I have what I call old school WDH with friction anti sway bar. The WDH is Pro Series chain and round bars. I normally use both WDH and anti sway bar.
Towed trailer 30 miles on I-84 near Boise ID. knowing it was windy. I did not use the bar to learn if they really work or not. Wind was crosswind with gusts. I had the trailer swaying when hit by gusts, not just pushed. Keeping at around 60 mph it was not bad, but not one hand relaxed steering.
I put bar on and drove back on same section of interstate about an hour later.
Wind seemed as before if not a little worse. Did a few miles at 60 mph again and they do work. I could feel the wind pushing the trailer, but the swaying was gone.
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:49 PM   #7
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The Sway pro flat bar is a double duty hitch and is a superior product. I didn't even know they made the round bar style. It must be made for flat towing where sway is not as big an issue.
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Old 06-30-2020, 03:29 PM   #8
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What tires do you have on your tow rig?
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What tires do you have on your tow rig?
My tires are Goodyear Wrangler Fortitude HT 275/65R18.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:18 PM   #10
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The BXW 1200 is a wdh only. It requires the little friction add on bars for any kind of sway control. I've used that type of sway control and it is inadequate at best. The good part is that you have a smaller trailer. At that time mine was around 25' bumper to ball and with 2 of the little "sway control bars" it was not up to the task. There are better wdh/sway control units out there but they cost more and I don't know that they are needed for a trailer your size. Get the addons and tighten it up, you will probably be OK.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:42 PM   #11
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Unfortunately, that Blue Ox WDH with add on friction sway control bars will perform just as good as the run of the mill $200 WDHs you can buy at harbor freight or Eas Lift hitches you can buy on Amazon. As Danny stated above, sway control is NOT what they are known for.

If installing a friction bar doesn't solve the sway problems, I'd only recommended a 4 pt Equilizer hitch that has proven results among the majority of its users.

Considering the length of the coach in question is only 24 feet, you may have better result with the Blue Ox than those users with much longer trailers.

If your pockets are deep and you want the best of the best, a Hensley or Propride are the "game changers". But I digress.
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My tires are Goodyear Wrangler Fortitude HT 275/65R18.
If those are passenger tires, I couldnt tell googling them, they may not be heavy/stiff enough as a LT tire. Some of the sway could be from that.
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Here is a link to the Goodyear Wrangler Fortitude HT 275/65R18. The only load index for it is SL which by the top chart is a designation for standard load on a P metric passenger car tire.

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tir...r-fortitude-ht

If that is indeed the case the P rated tires are definitely "squishy" for trying to control sway plus they need to be aired up to max pressure anytime that trailer is on the truck. LT tires would be be very helpful. In this situation I do believe upgrading that wdh/sway bar attachment would go a long way in trying to resolve the sway problem.
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Old 07-01-2020, 11:05 AM   #14
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I would agree on upgrading to a quality 4 point sway control weight distributing hitch. It will cost double what yours cost but the performance will be way more that double IMHO. I've used those friction sway bars many years ago and here's the negatives in my opinion:

I've had to tighten the friction during windy conditions to the point the trailer wouldn't track well in curves.
You must remove, not just loosen the bar to back up.
Going straight you can bend the bar during a tight turn. My daughter had one on a small Coleman pop up and she turned tight to get out of a difficult site and bent the frame on the pop up.
Everyone has an opinion and mine is that adding a friction control like that to a very minimal hitch is just a waste of money.
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:54 PM   #15
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The Wrangler Fortitude HT tires by Goodyear come in two “flavors”: a standard tire which is typically OEM for the Ford F150 or the LT version like which came on my F150 with the heavy duty package. Max tire pressure on the regular version is 51 psi which makes it marginal as a good towing tire (too much flex in the sidewall) and the LT version is a Load Range E with max inflation of 80 psi.

As far as one of those little friction sway bars, I never liked that even on my Coleman Bayside Elite popup. A good integrated weight distribution/sway control system is an investment in safety, security and peace of mind.
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Unfortunately, that Blue Ox WDH with add on friction sway control bars will perform just as good as the run of the mill $200 WDHs you can buy at harbor freight or Eas Lift hitches you can buy on Amazon. As Danny stated above, sway control is NOT what they are known for.

If installing a friction bar doesn't solve the sway problems, I'd only recommended a 4 pt Equilizer hitch that has proven results among the majority of its users.

Considering the length of the coach in question is only 24 feet, you may have better result with the Blue Ox than those users with much longer trailers.

If your pockets are deep and you want the best of the best, a Hensley or Propride are the "game changers". But I digress.
Yea, the Hensley and Propride are really pricey and probably overkill for my trailer. If the friction sway bar doesn’t help I’ll probably look at the Blue Ox Swaypro. And, perhaps some LT tires are another option.
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