should I upgrade

[Javi]

Originally Posted by SAD

I LOL when people try to justify ANY purchase (gas, diesel, etc) when it comes to RVing..

I bought it cause I like it... I've got a good job and I don't give a damn what it costs ->

Well except for the good job part... you got me

Does this look like a guy with a good job..??

[SAD]

Originally Posted by Javi

Well except for the good job part... you got me

Does this look like a guy with a good job..??

looks like santi-clause.... the giver of all gifts good.

[therink]

2500 HD GM will have around 3000 payload. A 3500 HD GM Single rear wheel will have around 4000 payload. If any fifth wheel you are interested has gvwr greater than 11000 gvwr, I highly recommend a 3500 SRW. I have a lot of experience with this so please feel free to PM me if you want my opinions.
Steve

[richf28]

Now, im totally baffled. Went to ford dealership. Looked at a 2011 f350, supercrew, single rear wheel with 3:73 gears. 6.2 gas engine, GVWR 11, 200.:I was told the legal fifth wheel capacity of the truck is 11, 800 lbs. My ecoboost is legally 11, 300 lbs. I aint getting any of this. Got a headache! I was told I would need a diesel with 4:30 gears to make any difference at all.

[440justin]

Originally Posted by richf28

Now, im totally baffled. Went to ford dealership. Looked at a 2011 f350, supercrew, single rear wheel with 3:73 gears. 6.2 gas engine, GVWR 11, 200.:I was told the legal fifth wheel capacity of the truck is 11, 800 lbs. My ecoboost is legally 11, 300 lbs. I aint getting any of this. Got a headache! I was told I would need a diesel with 4:30 gears to make any difference at all.

You got to look at payload and GAWR! The payload of the F350 is 3,750 to 4,220 (depending on wheel base) the F150 has a payload of 1,500 is most cases. If you have the max trailer tow that gets you 1,900 pounds. That is the big difference! About any fifth wheel will take up your whole payload cap or more on a F150. The rear GAWR on the srw F350 is 7,180 and the F150 is in the 3,900 pound range. Again this is where the big difference is. The tow ratings on the 1/2 ton trucks has gotten way over stated the last few years!

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[440justin]

I hope the SAE J2807 will help address this over starting of half ton truck tow ratings in the future.

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[440justin]

Originally Posted by richf28

Now, im totally baffled. Went to ford dealership. Looked at a 2011 f350, supercrew, single rear wheel with 3:73 gears. 6.2 gas engine, GVWR 11, 200.:I was told the legal fifth wheel capacity of the truck is 11, 800 lbs. My ecoboost is legally 11, 300 lbs. I aint getting any of this. Got a headache! I was told I would need a diesel with 4:30 gears to make any difference at all.

So I just checked Ford's website and none of the numbers you gave really match any of the F350.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty...ations/towing/

Also the 4.30 with the diesel is only offered on a F450.

[richf28]

http://www.ford.com/.../ford/.../tow...erDtyNov18.pdf

First link shows the 4:30 gears.
Second is the attachment that shows door sticker.
Also confirmed my info with a second ford dealer.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by richf28

www.ford.com/.../ford/.../towingguides/11FLMRVTT_SuperDtyNov18.pdf

First link shows the 4:30 gears.
Second is the attachment that shows door sticker.
Also confirmed my info with a second ford dealer.

So are you still confused about an F350 tow rating? cause it's a WHOLE lot more than 11K

[richf28]

Not according to two ford dealers and one rv dealer. All said I need to go diesel in order to benefit myself over my present half ton ecoboost. Thats a shame because I really had my heart set on the f350 I saw.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by richf28

Not according to two ford dealers and one rv dealer. All said I need to go diesel in order to benefit myself over my present half ton ecoboost. Thats a shame because I really had my heart set on the f350 I saw.

Well the door sticker you posted say that truck can weigh 11,200 pounds (GVWR) and can carry up to 7000 pounds on the rear axle (GAWR). What does the door sticker on your F150 say. I think you might be confusing the published towing capacity (what the truck can pull) and what the truck can haul. The two are very different.

How much weight you can put in or on the truck is more important to how big a 5th wheel you can haul than how much the truck can pull. The GVWR of your F150 is a lot less than the GVWR of the F350 sticker you posted. As is the payload (yellow sticker on the door)

[richf28]

Thats what confuses me. Both dealers told me that the fifth wheel towing capacity is just a bit over the ecoboost and not worth my investment. The ford towing capacity guide shows that to be true. My present combination weight is like 17, 500 and the f350 is only 18, 100. These arent my assumptions. These are the figures given me my 2 ford dealers and last night a gm dealer stated pretty much the same. Need to go diesel is all I hear from them

[SAD]

Originally Posted by richf28

Thats what confuses me. Both dealers told me that the fifth wheel towing capacity is just a bit over the ecoboost and not worth my investment. The ford towing capacity guide shows that to be true. My present combination weight is like 17, 500 and the f350 is only 18, 100. These arent my assumptions. These are the figures given me my 2 ford dealers and last night a gm dealer stated pretty much the same. Need to go diesel is all I hear from them

I think the problem with the dealer's response is they're simply regurgitating what's in the marketing materials.... Which are all perfect world scenarios...

Between the Ecoboot's combined 17.5 rating and the 18.1 rating (presuming gas?).... That rating is related to each truck's ability to PULL the load. The gas F250 is likely not much (if any) more powerful than the Ecoboost...

What really needs to be considered is the ability to carry the load (pin/tongue weight) associated with the trailer big enough to take you to the max rating on either of those two trucks.

As indicated earlier, look at the GAWR (gross axle weight rating) for the REAR axle of each vehicle... This will give you the clearest example of the superiority of of any HD single rear wheel truck over a 1/2 ton pickup.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by richf28

Thats what confuses me. Both dealers told me that the fifth wheel towing capacity is just a bit over the ecoboost and not worth my investment. The ford towing capacity guide shows that to be true. My present combination weight is like 17, 500 and the f350 is only 18, 100. These arent my assumptions. These are the figures given me my 2 ford dealers and last night a gm dealer stated pretty much the same. Need to go diesel is all I hear from them

Okay, so that's were the confusion is... In the real world there is very little correlation between towing capacity and being able to tow. These trailers all have a percentage of their weight that will be put on to the tow vehicle. For a 5th wheel it is usually between 18% and 25% of the total weight of the trailer as it sits before hooking up to the TV. So an 17.5K trailer could have a pin weight (the weight the TV has to carry) of somewhere between 3150 lbs and 4375 pounds. So you can see that even though the towing capacity of the F150 is 17,500 it would be impractical if not impossible for the F150 to carry the pin weight of that size trailer.

Published towing capacities are misleading at best and dangerous at worse, because they lead folks to believe that they can hook up to that size trailer and take off. The truth is that YES the truck will tow that amount of weight IF you can find a trailer that weighs that much but only puts a few hundred pounds of that weight on the truck.

If you want to know HOW BIG of a trailer your F150 will haul then load it with everything you would carry for a trip, then go to a Cat scale at the nearest truck stop and weigh it. Subtract that weight from the GVWR as listed on the sticker on the door post and that is the weight left for the pin weight and hitch for a 5th wheel..

[440justin]

I hay to say most dealers don't know crap! I had a dealer look my in the eyes and tell me the ecoboost with a 3.31 is rated to pull 11,300. All these people know is the marketing material.

Not to be mean, but I feel like we keep telling you the same thing over and over and you are not getting it or don't want to listen. We are all trying to help you and keep you from being fooled by the dealers.

If your F150 and trailer weigh 17,000 pounds you are way over the combined weight limit!

If you know you you are not going to get stupid big and you don't want to spend the money on a diesel the gas truck will do just fine. Gas motors in heavy duty trucks are normally not tuned as "hot" add the half ton because they want to motor to last four many years under heavy loads. So don't the the fact that the power numbers are not much increased over your current truck put you off.

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[richf28]

Ok....this is right from the horses mouth. I called Ford customer support this morning. I gave them the vin number of the truck I was interested in. Which is the F350. I was told...."Maximum fifth wheel towing capacity is 11, 800 lbs. And GCVW is 19, 000 lbs. ". I was told the only advantage I actually had over my ecoboost would be heavier braking, heavier frame and elsctronic locking rearend. Again I was told....I would need to go either a diesel, 4:30 gears or a dually. I cant justify the initail cost of a diesel for my driving habits, nor a dually. So its more logical to keep my ecoboost and find a fifth wheel I can tow with it. And that too was confirmed and suggested by the Ford technician. I guess I have to believe their words as much as liked the other truck.

[Javi]

Okay... I give up

[440justin]

I was just about to say the same thing....I really don't get why you don't understand what we are saying. The Ford customer line is staffed by people who know less that a sales person.

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[richf28]

First off...im not trying to cause comotion here. I have made some bad purchases that cost be a lot in the last 3 years and have no intention of repeating them. Each explanation differs with who you talk to. The rv dealer has his version, the truck dealer has theirs and individuals have theirs. So far the only ones that seem to cooinside are the dealers and support staff. None of you have offered me any substantial proof of why you say what you do. That comes down to one mans opinion over another. Some of the people on here believe bigger is better. That you need a towder to haul a tent and others think you can haul the space shuttle with a volkswagon. I need facts and how you obtained these facts. I have also placed a call to the state police traffic division to help decifer the laws.

[440justin]

Originally Posted by richf28

First off...im not trying to cause comotion here. I have made some bad purchases that cost be a lot in the last 3 years and have no intention of repeating them. Each explanation differs with who you talk to. The rv dealer has his version, the truck dealer has theirs and individuals have theirs. So far the only ones that seem to cooinside are the dealers and support staff. None of you have offered me any substantial proof of why you say what you do. That comes down to one mans opinion over another. Some of the people on here believe bigger is better. That you need a towder to haul a tent and others think you can haul the space shuttle with a volkswagon. I need facts and how you obtained these facts. I have also placed a call to the state police traffic division to help decifer the laws.

Well opinions are kind of what you get when ask a question on a forum. I have tried answering your question using the facts that are very easily found on Ford's website and based on my own experience and education (Engineering Degree).

Post a picture of the door tag from your current F-150 Ecoboost, that should be all the substantial proof that you need to backup what everyone has been trying to tell you.

Compare the GVWR of both trucks
Compare the Front GAWR of both trucks
Compare the Rear GAWR of both trucks
Compare the payload capacity of both trucks
Compare the Rated capacity of the tires on both trucks

That is the story we are trying to tell you.

Do you have to go Diesel to get a bigger towing capacity....Yes, but that Diesel does not give you much greater capacity in respect to GVWR, GAWR, and payload.