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Old 05-29-2012, 04:17 PM   #1
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cougar x-lite 28sgs towed with a F-150

I'm thinking of purchasing a cougar x-lite 28sgs. Dealer told me I could haul this with my f-150. it is a 2010 4x4 3.73 gears, from what i can tell, and I am no expert, I can tow around 9000, trailer is around 7000. can someone help me out?
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Old 05-29-2012, 05:31 PM   #2
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You need to search some of these threads about towing and limits. I really don't know the cargo cap of your truck, but I would assume that it's around 2000lbs. Keystone shows the dry wgt of this trailer at 7574lbs with a cap for 2426lbs of water, clothing etc etc for a GVW of around 10,000lbs. Also shows hitch or pin wgt at 1410lbs.

Now for your truck it maybe able to pull that wgt, but you will be over or very close to over loading it. Assume the trk can carry a cargo load of 2000lbs, then you have to subtract the wgt of anything you load into that truck. This would be the fuel 100lbs, camping supplies 50lbs, bikes 100lbs, wgt of the actual hitch 125lbs, people 250lbs and last but not least the pin wgt of the trailer 1410lbs. Total around around 2000lbs, these are not actual numbers most likely higher because the pin wgt is a empty trailer. As you can see the truck is overloaded, very unsafe for all. Look for a smaller trailer or maybe a tow behind.

It's good you are asking before buying and don't trust the salesmen all the time. Do your home work, all of us here will help the best we can.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:48 PM   #3
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Dry hitch weight is about a thousand pounds over my cargo capacity. I also have 3.73 gears.

Dry trailer weight is 7574. And I weigh the same as I did in high school. Don’t believe either. The trailer will magically gain a thousand pounds by your third camping trip.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:10 PM   #4
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I'm thinking of purchasing a cougar x-lite 28sgs. Dealer told me I could haul this with my f-150. it is a 2010 4x4 3.73 gears, from what i can tell, and I am no expert, I can tow around 9000, trailer is around 7000. can someone help me out?
I'm not one of the many that jump up and down and say you must have a 3/4 ton or better diesel to pull a camper. I currently pull with a F150 but for the last 12 years I had a HD 3/4ton D/A. Having said that I believe there is no way you are going to feel good about that trailer with your truck. You didn't clearly ID your truck but here is a 2010 Ford towing chart
http://www.ford.com/assets/pdf/towin...vF150sep09.pdf
While I prefer the F150 for everyday use compared to the HD2500 I have no allusions that I can tow a huge trailer with it. I towed my older trailer (advertised 6,500 dry, actual 7100 dry.) and it did the job well but I did not feel as comfortable knowing I was approaching capacity. If you want a big trailer, get a big truck. That advertised 7500 dry weight will gain pounds.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:34 AM   #5
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I'm thinking of purchasing a cougar x-lite 28sgs. Dealer told me I could haul this with my f-150. it is a 2010 4x4 3.73 gears, from what i can tell, and I am no expert, I can tow around 9000, trailer is around 7000. can someone help me out?
I also tow a fifth wheel with a F150. A 2010, in fact. Here's some numbers to consider:

Cougar 28SGS:

Empty weight: 7574
Propane: 60
Battery: 100
Camping Gear 500

TOTAL: 8234

Pin Weight recommendation is 15% - 25% of trailer weight

15% of 8234 = 1235
25% of 8234 = 2058

Although you haven't given enough information to clearly identify which F150 you own, or its equipment, if we consider that you're towing with a "standard" F150, here are the numbers with 4x4 and 3.73 gears WITHOUT HD towing package. All are with the 5.4L engine. You must subtract from these numbers if you're towing with a 4.6L engine as the GCWR and Trailer weight are reduced with the smaller engine:

Standard Cab:
GCWR: 13900
Trailer: 8600

Super Cab:
GCWR: 15400
Trailer: 9700

Crew Cab:
GCWR: 15500
Trailer: 9600

Payload does NOT include fuel as that is included in the base weight of the truck (per Ford statement in the Owner's Manual)

The average payload is somewhere between 1410 and 1630 for standard models, so if we use the higher payload of 1630, here is what you may expect:

Your weight: 200 lbs
Spouse weight: 125 lbs
Children: Add their weight
Fifth wheel hitch: 150 lbs
Cab cargo: 50 lbs

TOTAL: 525
Payload minus cargo: 1630 - 525 = 1105 MAX PIN WEIGHT

So, assuming you have NO cargo in the truck (other than above) and limit yourself to a MAXIMUM of 500 lbs of trailer cargo (a very difficult feat to accomplish) AND You can manage to maintain your pin weight at the 15% figure (an impossible feat) you are overweight by 130 pounds.

Please note that a 5 gallon can of gas weighs at least 35 lbs, so you couldn't "safely carry" (per FORD) even an extra gas can in your truck or trailer.

I'd urge you to reconsider this trailer as it's going to be nearly impossible to tow it and remain in the limits established by Ford.

ADDED:

After doing additional research regarding the weight of the driver and how/when it is calculated, I've found the following:
• Base Curb Weight
– The weight of the vehicle including standard
equipment, oil, lubricants and a full tank of fuel (less
fuel on F-650/F-750 models). It does not include the
weight of driver, passengers, cargo or any optional
or aftermarket equipment
This can be found at the following website:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...d_Workbook.pdf

Essentially this Ford website says that the driver is not included in the base weight of their truck fleet, however a full fuel tank is included.
HOWEVER: to add to confusion, the 2010 owner's manual, on page 254, has the following statement regarding calculating the maximum trailer weight:

Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight – is the highest possible weight of a
fully loaded trailer the vehicle can tow. It assumes a vehicle with only
mandatory options, no cargo (internal or external), a tongue load of
10–15% (conventional trailer) or king pin weight of 15–25% (fifth wheel
trailer), and driver only (150 lb. [68 kg]). Consult your authorized
dealer (or the RV and Trailer Towing Guide provided by your
authorized dealer) for more detailed information.

So, to ammend my previous post, there is no additional payload with the trailer in question at minumum pin weight, in fact, it would be overloaded in any configuration based on having 500 lbs of cargo in the trailer and a passenger who weighs 125 lbs.

Please note: Parts of the original post that were changed for clarification are in RED.
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:59 PM   #6
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You'll be able to pull it but you'll probably be overloaded on the rear axle. Pin weight is what kills 1/2t rated trucks. My Cougar weighs 8400lbs loaded and I'm overloaded on the rear. I really need to get a larger TV.
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:47 PM   #7
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So here is some food for thought, I pull a 2005 293FWSLS weighs about 11,500# loaded. I pull with a 2001 Dodge 2500 CTD, with a 8,800# GVW. There are lots of figures in this post (from another thread), the 92.3% of GAWR, refers to the percentage of GVW to the GAWR (total for both axles) of a Ram 1500 2011. Based on that alone my truck could be rated at 10,400# GVW. So even though I exceed the stated GVW, even at my current "over load" I am using a smaller percentage of the GAWR than the 1500 at stated GVW.


2001 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Quad Cab With Tow and Camper packages

Tire: LT 265/75 16 E: Load rating 3,415 lbs.
Engine: 5.9L I6 Cummins: Power (SAE): 235 hp @ 2700 rpm; 460 lb-ft (from 1600 to 2700 rpm)
The engine has a small chip " Power Puck" so I now have about 285 HP and 510 lb-ft of torque.

Transmission Type: NV4500
Transmission: NV4500 5 speed manual
Axle Ratio: 3.55
GVWR: 8,800 - 7,000 = 1,800 With driver (Payload)
Payload: Searched could not find a "stated Payload" 1,800 actual caculated.

Base Weight: (This actual scaled weight, with driver 200#)
Total:7,000
(Front:4,250)
(Rear: 2,750)

GAWR
(Front: 5,200)
(Rear: 6,080): 6,080 - 2,750 = 3,330 (Max load on rear axle before axle Over Load)
5,200+ 6,080 = 11,280 8,800/11,280 = 78.0% of total max axle load.
Total max axle divided by stated GVWR = percentage of axle max.

This is where it get interesting, according to the owners manual!
2500 Quad cab 4X4 GCWR = 16,000#
2500 Reg Cab 4X4 GCWR = 20,000# ??? The added weight of the Quad Cab should come off Max trailer not GCWR.

GCWR: 16,00 16,000 - 7,000 (truck and driver) = 9,000 max trailer
GCWR: 20,000 20,000 - 7,000 (truck and driver) = 13,000 max trailer

So when I scaled on the 1st two nigher, with 3 adults, 2 small dogs, and too much food in the refer, and about 95% of our "stuff" these are my scale weights.

Front axle 4,650#: (4,650/5,200 = 89% of max axle rating)(4,650/6,830 = 68% of max tire rating) (Darn heavy Cummins!)
Rear axle 5,050#: (5,050/6,080 = 83 % of max axle rating)(5,050/6,830 = 74% of max tire rating)
Total Truck 9,700#
Trailer axles 8,400 #
GCVW 18,100#

So am I over loaded by the book? Yes
Are my axles overloaded? NO
Are my tires over loaded? NO
If I used the 92.3% of max axle weight the GVW could be 10,400#, and I still would not be exceeding the max load on the tires.

I tow this rig between 55 and 60 based on the speed limit, on the flat if not paying attention to speed and going with the flow a bit, it will easily creep up to 70 (too easily!), I can pull most grades in the Oregon Coast range at 60 mph which is 5 over the limit (I don't like holding up traffic, and it is a sweet spot for RPM). I can also accelerate to the speed limit going up those grades. I will continue to go with this combination, as it feels solid and stable. When we picked it up our tow home was 250 miles, in less than favorable weather, and I had no issues.

I don't encourage this, as with the newer 1/2 ton truck you will likely find that at stated GVW, you are likely close to the 90+% of the axle GAWR, and that and tire rating are the two figures you should NEVER exceed!!!
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