Another useless thread about EVs

[colby]

Originally Posted by sourdough

EVs are being pushed onto the masses....and forced. Some states have mandated the elimination of gas powered vehicles, some some percentage etc. Biden has decreed the elimination of gas powered vehicles in various statements and orders. Here's a clip of one report, Motor Trend 8/5/21:

"President Joseph R. Biden today signed an executive order declaring that up to half of all new cars sold by 2030 must be electric. Take a moment to spit out your coffee, do a double-take, or engage in whatever expression of surprise suits you."

These decrees, coupled with actions taken to eliminate fossil fuels, are directly aimed at forcing EVs on the masses.

EVs are an interesting discussion. I have some very strong feelings about them and how/why they are being forced. The reasons are both ideological and political....very political. Please keep that in mind as these discussions occur because the topic can veer very quickly.

Thanks for that, I hadn't been able to find that.

So doing the math, if about 17 million vehicles are sold in the US each year, that's somewhere between 7 and 8.5 million EVs to be sold in 2030. That's a lot of vehicles to be sold to urban and suburban residents leaving 8.5 to 10 million vehicles to be sold to rural residents (a smaller demographic compared to people living in urban or suburban areas) and people who still need an ICE-based vehicle for their needs. Technology will most likely change a lot in the next 7 years, so who knows where we will land.

[vampress_me]

A quick, half minute search gave me the following EV mandate by flannel mouth (aka the gov) for Minnefornia. The DFL (dumb for lifers) here just love following CA.

And, I just cannot come up with one single reason as to why I would want to drive an EV. I need a truck to tow a camper, horse trailer, flat bed trailer, etc. No EV will do that. Wait! It *might* be able to tow my snowmobile trailer! I need a car I can run around in, sometimes up to 800 miles in a day. No EV will do that in a reasonable amount of time either. And, for the argument that ICE vehicles burn more often than EV? Yep. They may, but their fires can also be extinguished in a reasonable amount of time with a reasonable amount of water…..

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by vampress_me

A quick, half minute search gave me the following EV mandate by flannel mouth (aka the gov) for Minnefornia. The DFL (dumb for lifers) here just love following CA.

And, I just cannot come up with one single reason as to why I would want to drive an EV. I need a truck to tow a camper, horse trailer, flat bed trailer, etc. No EV will do that. Wait! It *might* be able to tow my snowmobile trailer! I need a car I can run around in, sometimes up to 800 miles in a day. No EV will do that in a reasonable amount of time either. And, for the argument that ICE vehicles burn more often than EV? Yep. They may, but their fires can also be extinguished in a reasonable amount of time with a reasonable amount of water…..

The only reason gas vehicles burn more often the EVs is because there are many more millions of them and many are much older. Heck, they even warn about the danger with the lithium batteries in an e bike.

[sourdough]

Another little blurb on EVs and their supposed ability to operate more economically than a gas engine. The difference will continue to grow as the price of producing electricity keeps rising:

"According to a January study from the Anderson Economic Group, rising electricity prices — combined with softer gas prices — made EVs more expensive to fuel than gas-powered cars at the end of 2022.

“In Q4 2022, typical mid-priced ICE car drivers paid about $11.29 to fuel their vehicles for 100 miles of driving,” [the study says. “That cost was around $0.31 cheaper than the amount paid by mid-priced EV drivers charging mostly at home, and over $3 less than the cost borne by comparable EV drivers charging commercially.”

[vampress_me]

Originally Posted by sourdough

The only reason gas vehicles burn more often the EVs is because there are many more millions of them and many are much older. Heck, they even warn about the danger with the lithium batteries in an e bike.

I knew this too. But when I’ve tried explaining to people that it’s a matter of quantity (more ICE vehicles out there than EVs), it goes flying over their heads. The math skills needed to understand what I’ve said just isn’t there. It’s a lot like handing a cashier cash (paper and coins) for a purchase and expecting to get exact change back when their register is down or they keyed it into the register wrong - it isn’t going to happen 90% of the time.