Drones

[tdawg]

Do they really need to be in campground? Has anyone heard of campgrounds not allowing, i would hope so.

[mikell]

I've actually made videos of 3 campgrounds for their websites. None posted yes because there's too much snow but some nice fall videos.

Been having lots of fun and will be flying at the place where the motorhome is this afternoon if the sun comes out

[notanlines]

Just like skeet shooting.....

[sourdough]

notanlines - my thought exactly When I'm "at home" at my camper the last thing I need is something/one taking videos of me....unless it's while I warm up my Beretta, Citori, 1100, 870 or A5 (oops; forgot the old S&W 1000).

[cabinfever]

I take my Hobby Zone Champ when we go camping and if there is room I try to fly. Not sure if it falls into the "drone" category, but I can't see where flying it causes any "harm" to fellow campers. I usually only get to fly when camping so I'm not good enough with the Champ to upgrade yet, but one day hope to have a little more sophisticated plane.

[Festus2]

Originally Posted by tdawg

Do they really need to be in campground? Has anyone heard of campgrounds not allowing, i would hope so.

When camping and in a campground, my wife and I are there to relax. We shouldn't have to put up with some camper's drone buzzing around or hovering above our sites. We shouldn't have to worry about whether or not we are being filmed or if it will crash into our TV or RV.

If folks want to fly their drones, find a far away, empty field (away from an airport) where you won't be bothering people or invading their privacy.

Like dogs, they should be on a leash - a short one.

[Desert185]

People create issues and too many people create problems. Ironically, it would be more peaceful for me to stay at home than go "camping" where there are more people, restrictions, issues and problems.

For me, a drone might provide a bit of entertainment in the campground that I normally wouldn't experience. Certainly be more welcome than the usual alternatives.

[Williston324]

Desert185 - I agree!
Festus2 - "we" is you, not everyone else

[notanlines]

I suspect there won't be a winner/loser in this debate, but I'll bet if you're from Nevada there are many, many places to fly a toy more entertaining than an RV park. Can anyone think of things more irritating than barking dogs, dirt bikes and drunks alive and well in your park? Surely there are places near a park where the drones can fly AND the pilot have a good time?

[tdawg]

Right on festus, like i told my friend it has to take off and land within striking distance of my stick

[sourdough]

Everyone I've ever seen flying one of the things finds an open area away from folks and flys them. I know the times are changing in some ways with that technology, but, when you pull into an RV park and rent your 60/20 plot of land you didn't get a license, or approval, to fly objects around/over me.

The operator faces the liability of whatever the "bird" does to anyone or their property. An individual could also complain to the campground manager and then to law enforcement, over harrassment I suspect. In any case, one camper in a park has zero rights to harrass other occupants or impair their enjoyment; sort of like someone coming in, setting up their audio equipment, then blasting the park with hip hop. Don't work - and it is SO rude/impolite.

[x96mnn]

Have no dog in this fight as I do not own a drone.

Unfortunately some peoples idea of relaxing are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. For some people just sitting outside your camper is annoyance. My opinion, I have my right to do what I want on my 60x20 lot, as long it is not against clearly posted rules or against the law.

There are great places to go in the middle of no where for absolute quite. I go there when that is what I want, but when I go to a more tightly packed campground I do it with the full expectaions there will be noise. Some may consider those who visit such campgrounds with the expectation that others must conform to their perception of relaxation are rude.

[Festus2]

Originally Posted by x96mnn

Have no dog in this fight as I do not own a drone.

Unfortunately some peoples idea of relaxing are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. For some people just sitting outside your camper is annoyance. My opinion, I have my right to do what I want on my 60x20 lot, as long it is not against clearly posted rules or against the law.

There are great places to go in the middle of no where for absolute quite. I go there when that is what I want, but when I go to a more tightly packed campground I do it with the full expectaions there will be noise. Some may consider those who visit such campgrounds with the expectation that others must conform to their perception of relaxation are rude.

I have no expectation whatsoever that "others must conform to" my perception of relaxation or if they don't that they are rude. What I do expect is that people in the campsite will treat others with respect and are considerate of others. I am not expecting absolute quiet but I would not expect someone camped nearby to have their music cranked up to max volume from 7 am to 7 pm or have their 6000W industrial generator running all day. Would I consider these folks to be rude? You bet.

People do "relax" in different ways and find things to do that they enjoy doing and I have no argument with that nor do I think of them as being rude for making a bit of noise or goofing around.

You can't make a campground rule or law for everything. Surely, common sense and decency are "unwritten rules" and provide us with guidance when there are no rules on paper. So just because it isn't spelled out in the campground rules or there is no law against it, doesn't "give you the right to do what you want to in your 60x20 lot". Common sense, respect for and consideration of others should tell you what you should do and what you should not do.

I live on a third of an acre surrounded by other houses in our neighborhood. Am I going to do whatever I want to just because there is no bylaw or law saying I can't? I guess I could fire up my lawnmower or power washer when my next door neighbor is having some friends over for a BBQ. No bylaw or law against that so I guess that makes it ok.

If the people next to us in a campsite are drinking and decide to toss their empties onto our campsite is that ok? Probably not any "clearly posted" campground rule saying they can't do this and there may or may not be some local ordinance saying that it is against the law. Do these folks have the right to do what they want to? I don't think so.

[Desert185]

I have a simple rule, I mind my own business, respect other's space and hope others do the same. The only noise you'll hear from us is the Cummins, the ice maker (maybe) and Charlie barking if you encroach into our "20x60 space".

I even lay low when I'm at home, but the busy body brigade can be relentless about their agendas.

[JRTJH]

Morality, social norms, customs and past practices (tradition) are as much a part of the "rules" as is the written list usually provided upon checkin at most campgrounds.

To date, I've never seen the "rule book" given at checkin list the following:

Nudity and sex in campground public spaces are forbidden. You must wear clothing when outside your RV. BUT: To date, I haven't seen anyone walking down the street in their "birthday suit" nor have I had to walk around the block to avoid seeing indecent public acts when taking my grandkids to the public washroom....None of us (I hope) would sit and watch porn on our outdoor theater screen in a campground.... I haven't seen any of these on the list of "don't do's" on the campground rules provided, yet we simply refrain from doing them.

Some things are simply understood and don't need to be "written in stone" to be considered a violation of the "norms in our society"....Most "civilized" people live within the rules and few express, "It isn't written that I can't, so that means I can". When working in mental health, one of our indicators of worsening conditions was the inability of patients to "restrict the need for instant gratification". Have some "campers" actually gone this far in their need for instant gratification that they can't refrain from doing things that annoy the public environment, simply because "it doesn't say I can't" ????

Plainly, most of us "swat flies".... the question then becomes: Are drones flies????

[x96mnn]

Originally Posted by Festus2

I have no expectation whatsoever that "others must conform to" my perception of relaxation or if they don't that they are rude. What I do expect is that people in the campsite will treat others with respect and are considerate of others. I am not expecting absolute quiet but I would not expect someone camped nearby to have their music cranked up to max volume from 7 am to 7 pm or have their 6000W industrial generator running all day. Would I consider these folks to be rude? You bet.

People do "relax" in different ways and find things to do that they enjoy doing and I have no argument with that nor do I think of them as being rude for making a bit of noise or goofing around.

You can't make a campground rule or law for everything. Surely, common sense and decency are "unwritten rules" and provide us with guidance when there are no rules on paper. So just because it isn't spelled out in the campground rules or there is no law against it, doesn't "give you the right to do what you want to in your 60x20 lot". Common sense, respect for and consideration of others should tell you what you should do and what you should not do.

I live on a third of an acre surrounded by other houses in our neighborhood. Am I going to do whatever I want to just because there is no bylaw or law saying I can't? I guess I could fire up my lawnmower or power washer when my next door neighbor is having some friends over for a BBQ. No bylaw or law against that so I guess that makes it ok.

If the people next to us in a campsite are drinking and decide to toss their empties onto our campsite is that ok? Probably not any "clearly posted" campground rule saying they can't do this and there may or may not be some local ordinance saying that it is against the law. Do these folks have the right to do what they want to? I don't think so.

Most what of what you list would have rules or laws against. Public intoxication, littering, disturbing the peace based on DB level. There are rules and regulations on most things thus my law statement, plus the campground rules bridge the gap that helps those who lack in common sense.

As for someone flying a drone in a campground, things make no noise from what I have seen. Although maybe the higher tech ones people build are more advanced and make more noise. Ones I have seen are little more the children's toys. Bet in 5 years there will be campground rules on them.

There are people who feel the campground belongs to them. Just as many who play the stereo to those who are reading a book are guilty of pushing their view of what is acceptable and what is not onto others. I am not a fan of it on either side.

[chris199]

Just an opinion....

To me drones are equivalent to remote control airplanes. Find a field and fly them....where its safe and out of the way. This is esp true if they have a cam...the operators have no place invading the privacy of other campers.

[x96mnn]

LOL, Not five years, now.

[cabinfever]

Originally Posted by chris199

Just an opinion....

To me drones are equivalent to remote control airplanes. Find a field and fly them....where its safe and out of the way. This is esp true if they have a cam...the operators have no place invading the privacy of other campers.

Exactly, and most fly by these rules and take it serious to avoid any undue attention. https://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.PDF

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by x96mnn

Have no dog in this fight as I do not own a drone.

Unfortunately some peoples idea of relaxing are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. For some people just sitting outside your camper is annoyance. My opinion, I have my right to do what I want on my 60x20 lot, as long it is not against clearly posted rules or against the law.

There are great places to go in the middle of no where for absolute quite. I go there when that is what I want, but when I go to a more tightly packed campground I do it with the full expectaions there will be noise. Some may consider those who visit such campgrounds with the expectation that others must conform to their perception of relaxation are rude.

I don't think anyone goes to a campground expecting everyone to be quiet and/or conform to their "quiet" expectations if they actually had any. How a person sitting on their "60x20" plot not bothering anyone could be conceived as rude is ludicrous.

I agree that "you have the right to do what you want on you 60x20 lot, as long as it is not against clearly posted rules or against the law". I would also suggest that a normal person would try to abide by the rules of decency, common sense and politeness. Plus, as you said, "what you do on your 60x20 lot"; when you're flying a drone you are unfortunately well beyond your 60x20 lot and in essence messing with me in my 60x20 lot. I should be able to have my wife and grandkids outside without the fear of one these things imploding and falling into one of them. Or, have one of them flown into us by a drunk. I watched an individual try flying a RC helicopter at the parking lot to Piedras Falls in southern CO. He had had a few looking at his tailgate. He played with it in the middle of the lot, got it up in the air then commenced to swoop it right into his truck (thankfully it wasn't someone elses vehicle) breaking his rearview mirror and probably his window glass (couldn't see for sure). Obviously the helicopter self destructed. The blades on that thing would cut your hand off. Are we supposed to think it's the operators right to put those things into my space to possibly severely injure myself or one of my family? I don't think so.