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Old 11-12-2019, 11:04 AM   #1
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Hi, thanks for the add.
My wife and I are looking at toy haulers so we can go south from TN in winter and take our Canam Spyder with us. Want at least 13í garage and keep gross weight at 17k or less. Bike weighs 1k. Seems like Raptors come with about everything we need but like Carbon 403 floor plan better. Any advice/feedback appreciated.
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Old 11-12-2019, 11:56 AM   #2
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:02 PM   #3
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Welcome to the forum!!

You need to look at both and then decide which one fits your needs/wants better. You also want to make sure you have enough truck to tow it.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:35 PM   #4
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Thanks chuckster. I have 2018 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins, crew cab, single rear wheel. 17k max tow so looking at units in mid 14k dry weight or less.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:57 PM   #5
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Itís not just how much you can drag, how much you can put in the bed is just as if not more important

Look at the sticker in the door jamb. GVWR is the total amount of weight including people, fuel and cargo. Load your truck with everything you would have in the truck including people and hitch. Go to the scales and weigh it. Then subtract weights from the tag and youíll know how much trailer you can load ďlegallyĒ. This is an ongoing subject of debate and some of us are known as the weight police.

Iím not here to condone or condemn anyone, just want to lay out the facts so you can make an informed decision.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:06 AM   #6
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Thanks chuckster. I have 2018 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins, crew cab, single rear wheel. 17k max tow so looking at units in mid 14k dry weight or less.
Don't bother to look at the "dry weights", that tells YOU absolutely NOTHING, do all your calculations using the GVWR of the RV. Use 20-25% of the gross RV weight to figure pin weight plus everyone & everything in the truck subtracted from the truck payload.
Max tow of you particular truck also means NOTHING if you don't have the payload, typically you WILL exceed the max payload long before you'll reach the max tow weight. Check those numbers on the drivers door jamb of your particular truck, not salesman numbers, not from a brochure or tv advertisement.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:29 AM   #7
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Completely agree with lasts 2 posts. Think of it this way... what you can tow - place 500 lbs of rocks in a garden cart that has 4 wheels, you can probably "tow" it by pulling on the handle. Now put that 500 lbs in a wheel barrow, think you can lift that and push it? The wheel barrow handles represent the truck's payload.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:14 AM   #8
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Thanks everyone for your input. Iím aware of the GVWR and payload limits of my truck and how they relate to the towing capacity. I feel the dry weight of the RV is very important as the delta between dry weight and GVWR of the RV determines how much you can load in it. When the first thing in is a 1000lb Motorcycle that delta becomes critical. I want enough capacity to provide a safe margin so as not to exceed the limits of either vehicle. Do you folks feel like the weight of supplies, personal goods, etc. should be around 1500-2000lbs?
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:28 AM   #9
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Jerry what you put in the camper is wholly dependent on personal use and preferences. My DW will pack for an overnight trip and it looks like she's going on a 2 week cruise. I can pack a carry on bag and I'm good for a week.

I will say the weight adds up fast. Start thinking about pots/pans/, utensils, cloths, bedding/linen, water, food, propane, batteries, Kids toys and entertainment etc. Seems like it ends up where things get added but never removed. Example.. it's turning cold so add blankets and coats, you buy a grill and throw that in. Gee a pancake compressor would be handy, Ashwell as some more tools, etc.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:54 AM   #10
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Thanks flybouy. Hopefully we can exercise good judgement here.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:16 AM   #11
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I think there might be some cross-conversation here. For determining whether or not your truck can safely manage the trailer, the trailer dry weights mean nothing. If you have the trailer already, and can load it up and take it to the scales, then you can get the exact weight. Unfortunately, this isn't practical as a pre-purchase tool and doesn't account for the possibility of additional cargo (like waste water, etc.).

Best thing to use (as a reasonable estimate) is the gross vehicle weight rating for the trailer. You should check your numbers carefully, as a SRW 3500 may not be enough for this trailer.

As far as how much cargo you can put in your trailer, you need to be concerned with the GVWR as well. You can start with the dry weight if you must, but it's still not accurate. That is what the trailer weighed when it was completed on the factory floor and it will never weigh that again. It doesn't include, for example, propane tanks, batteries and other things I'm not thinking of.

Good luck in your decision.
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Old 02-03-2020, 07:38 AM   #12
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UPDATE: After realizing that most every Rigg we liked was too heavy or at the limit of our TV we found a good deal on a Ram 3500 dually and now are less concerned about weight.
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Welcome to the dually club!!! Sorry no stickers or special badges.
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Old 02-03-2020, 07:57 AM   #14
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Having a 1-ton dually truck definitely opens the door to more/larger trailers. It was particularly difficult for us to make the move to our dually due to the financial position we were in (we lost a lot on what was our current vehicle at the time), but we are very happy we converted.

Congratulations on your move and good luck in your hunt for that perfect trailer!
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Old 02-03-2020, 08:03 AM   #15
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UPDATE: After realizing that most every Rigg we liked was too heavy or at the limit of our TV we found a good deal on a Ram 3500 dually and now are less concerned about weight.
The weight police got another one! Actually towing with a vehicle that isn't up to the task can make for miserable traveling and towing. Just curious as to why you need a 13' garage for the Spyder... I have owned a 2010 Spyder RT and don't remember it needing so much room; seems it was about 9' long. I now have a 2006 GL1800 Roadsmith conversion and it needs almost 11' which has kept us from looking into toy haulers seriously as I am not in a position to buy a bigger truck and can't really park a trailer long enough on my parking pad.
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Old 02-09-2020, 07:25 PM   #16
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Welcome to the forum from eastern Oregon! Hope your search for that RV goes well!
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Old 02-14-2020, 05:26 AM   #18
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Welcome to the forum and the dually club, one less thing to worry about! Suggest you make a list of must haves and want to haves and compare which floor plans work for you and the wife. Some like to be able to easily get to a bathroom or kitchen without moving slides for the quick rest stop breaks. Keep in mind RV pricing is a lot like furniture pricing, MSRP is marked up to stupid levels so they can discount it and let you believe your getting a good deal. And the last day of the month is when salesmen are under pressure to make quota...
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