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Old 07-12-2012, 07:35 AM   #1
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Ecoboost and 29RBK

I'm doing my best to learn but my head is spinning. I'm looking to buy a 29RBK and an ecoboost. I'm wondering if I need the max tow package or not. From what I can tell the max tow package adds 380lbs of payload and bigger mirrors over the standard tow package. Tow rating increases
from 9600 to 11300 and the GVWR goes from 7200 to 7650. The trailer specs are below. Is this a good fit and do I need the max tow? Any help would be much appreciated.

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Old 07-12-2012, 07:51 AM   #2
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Get the Max Tow. Mostly for that increased payload. 835 lbs of hitch is going to really eat into your payload, and a fully loaded trailer + hitch setup will approach 1000 lbs on the hitch. I’m guessing the 7650 package will get you about 1700+ lbs of payload. Subtract that 1000 for the tongue weight and you’re left with 700 lbs for the family and whatever you carry in the truck and bed. Without that payload package, you’re down to about 300 lbs for the family and onboard gear.

The mirrors are fantastic, and MaxTow also gets you the 3.73 axle gearing which is great for pulling a trailer.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:23 AM   #3
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Get the Max Tow. Mostly for that increased payload. 835 lbs of hitch is going to really eat into your payload, and a fully loaded trailer + hitch setup will approach 1000 lbs on the hitch. I’m guessing the 7650 package will get you about 1700+ lbs of payload. Subtract that 1000 for the tongue weight and you’re left with 700 lbs for the family and whatever you carry in the truck and bed. Without that payload package, you’re down to about 300 lbs for the family and onboard gear.

The mirrors are fantastic, and MaxTow also gets you the 3.73 axle gearing which is great for pulling a trailer.
Fully agree. Go for the Max Tow.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:25 AM   #4
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Yes that gets the payload to 1900. But I know on my current F150 the payload was supposed to be like 1700 but it only shows 1200 on the door. I guess that's after all the extra add ons to the truck. I would think even I payload was 1500 you would be ok. Surely they underrate these numbers. I have seen way more go into these trucks than what the sticker says. For example I looked at a Raptor and the payload on the door was only 900lbs. Four fat guys could exceed that.
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:18 PM   #5
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Get the max tow. I have a 2010 with the 5.4 with 3.55 rear end (no i don't use it to tow my rv) It does a good job, but it would do so much better with a 3.73 rear end, and I believe there are some transmission changes also. I can't select my gears. I have 1,2,3,D and it's a 6 speed tranny, so tow haul does it all.

That is my biggest gripe on the truck. Also, I had a loss of power issue. It would run great one day, and horrible the next. Several trips to the dealer and finally found the problem.

Ford puts a piece of foam in between the air box inlet and the outside inner fender. Yes, there is foam between your fender and airbox. This becomes dislodged and will start sucking in the intake. It collapsed my intake tube on the truck. Ford says it's so your truck won't give that sucking air, engine actually breathing noise when accelerating. They were going to pull apart and fix. I grabbed from his hand and threw it away, and took my truck and left. I don't need that, nor do I care if my truck makes a little noise when it takes off.

Just fyi, as it was a horrible experience trying to find this so I tell everyone.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:05 PM   #6
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hi i have the ecoboost with the max tow 3.73 and u do know the payload is 3120.lb i have a 5 wheel 327 res u will love it good luck
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:48 PM   #7
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I doubt that the payload is 3120. That’d put the GVWR at about 9000 lbs. The highest GVWR I’ve seen is 8200 with the HD Payload option. HD Payload adds 500 lbs to the cargo capacity.

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hi i have the ecoboost with the max tow 3.73 and u do know the payload is 3120.lb i have a 5 wheel 327 res u will love it good luck
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:47 PM   #8
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I doubt that the payload is 3120. That’d put the GVWR at about 9000 lbs. The highest GVWR I’ve seen is 8200 with the HD Payload option. HD Payload adds 500 lbs to the cargo capacity.
I have seen F-150's equipped correctly that had payloads of 3050. It may be possible.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:23 PM   #9
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I bought a 29RBK this year to replace a trailer that was totaled by hail. Currently i am pulling it with a 2011 Silverado Z71. The truck has plenty of power to pull it, but the sag from the rear is quite substantial. I put on Timbrens to help, but all that did was give me a VERY bumpy ride. Although the sag was gone. I took off the Timbrens last week and installed air helper springs. I havent had a chance to pull it yet (because its getting warranty work done) but i am hoping for the best. Most likely i will replace the truck with a 3/4 ton next spring. The TT is a beast and is very heavy, for a 1/2 ton IMO. You might be able to tow it over the weight limitations of the F-150, but i would be very leary of it. I have an Ecoboost V6 as my work truck, and I think its kind of a dog loaded down. YMMV...... good luck.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:25 PM   #10
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I doubt that the payload is 3120. That’d put the GVWR at about 9000 lbs. The highest GVWR I’ve seen is 8200 with the HD Payload option. HD Payload adds 500 lbs to the cargo capacity.
That is a fact for the 2012, most likely a 4X2 Reg cab, the only way on most trucks to get the biggest payload.


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Regular Cab 4x2, WB 145" Engine 5.0L V8 GVWR 8200‡ Payload 3120
Regular Cab 4x2, WB 145" Engine 3.5L EcoBoost® V6 GVWR 8200‡ PL 3100
(4)‡Heavy Duty Payload Package Required
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:58 PM   #11
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That’s amazing. A half ton truck with a ton-and-a-half payload capacity. And now I’ve learned something new today. I wish mine had more payload capacity. But that’s what I get for loading it up with options.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:04 PM   #12
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I really like my EcoBoost, but for that trailer I would get a 3/4 ton.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:43 PM   #13
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Just to add my experience...

I'm towing a Laredo 291TG (very similar specs to the 29RBK) with a 2012 EcoBoost SuperCrew 5.5' bed with the max tow package and an equal-i-zer hitch. I just finished a 2-week 2000 mile trip that included 100+ degree outside temps, and driving through the mountains of Pennsylvania and Virginia. The F-150 towed it great, no problems at all... I think with the right hitch setup and the max tow package (you'll love the mirrors while towing) you'll be fine...

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Old 07-15-2012, 05:55 PM   #14
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You will LOVE the ecco ....it is awsome and pulls like no ones business
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:10 AM   #15
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I bought a 29RBK this year to replace a trailer that was totaled by hail. Currently i am pulling it with a 2011 Silverado Z71. The truck has plenty of power to pull it, but the sag from the rear is quite substantial. I put on Timbrens to help, but all that did was give me a VERY bumpy ride. Although the sag was gone. I took off the Timbrens last week and installed air helper springs. I havent had a chance to pull it yet (because its getting warranty work done) but i am hoping for the best. Most likely i will replace the truck with a 3/4 ton next spring. The TT is a beast and is very heavy, for a 1/2 ton IMO. You might be able to tow it over the weight limitations of the F-150, but i would be very leary of it. I have an Ecoboost V6 as my work truck, and I think its kind of a dog loaded down. YMMV...... good luck.
You will notice a difference with the air springs. My tongue weight loaded with about 15 gallons of fresh water is only 750 lbs. And even with the NHT maximum tow package I had a LOT of rear squat and it felt unstable approaching 60mph. Adding airbags at 70psi makes it drive like a different truck. Had a similar experience in my previous TV. Good luck with yours.

The ecoBoost is a very appealing 1/2 Ton TV and the payload capacities can be configured higher. I'm curious how they handle the tongue weights and if the squat is as pronounced?
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I bought a 29RBK this year to replace a trailer that was totaled by hail. Currently i am pulling it with a 2011 Silverado Z71. The truck has plenty of power to pull it, but the sag from the rear is quite substantial. I put on Timbrens to help, but all that did was give me a VERY bumpy ride. Although the sag was gone. I took off the Timbrens last week and installed air helper springs. I havent had a chance to pull it yet (because its getting warranty work done) but i am hoping for the best. Most likely i will replace the truck with a 3/4 ton next spring. The TT is a beast and is very heavy, for a 1/2 ton IMO. You might be able to tow it over the weight limitations of the F-150, but i would be very leary of it. I have an Ecoboost V6 as my work truck, and I think its kind of a dog loaded down. YMMV...... good luck.
So let me get this straight, you tow that trailer with a Silverado 1500 and it has plenty of power but a Ecoboost F150 is a dog loaded down? I would love to see your 1500 tow my trailer up the same hills that my Ecoboost drives with as little effort! To the OP if you have the option i would get the HD pkg along with the max tow pkg. If i new Ford was going to have that HD pkg in 2012 i would have waited one more year! That trailer has the same basic #'s as my Outback. My truck tows it great I'm just close on my trucks GVWR so i have to limit what i put in the bed. I say go for it, you won't be disappointed!!
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So let me get this straight, you tow that trailer with a Silverado 1500 and it has plenty of power but a Ecoboost F150 is a dog loaded down? I would love to see your 1500 tow my trailer up the same hills that my Ecoboost drives with as little effort!
In my opinion yes, it is a dog when compared to the power my old 2010 F150 5.4 Triton or my 2011 Chevy Silverado 5.3. I'm not trying to start a thread war, but I drive a 2011 F150 Ecoboost as my service truck every day. When you have to put your foot to the floor while on the highway to jump up in speed yes, it's a dog. Now, with that said, before it was loaded down with tools, parts, and a service shell (topper), it moved a lot quicker than it does now. If your in St Louis, I can arrange a test drive.
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Yes, you are right. We don't need or want a thread war about how well the Ford Ecoboost tows. Can we agree to disagree about the towing performance of the Ford Ecoboost?

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I'm not trying to start a thread war. The OP said he is interested in this particular trailer and a F150 Ecoboost. He is trying to learn and his head is spinning! Why would you confuse him more by saying a Chevy 5.3L out tows the Ecoboost?? FIREIDIOT, I would have your work truck looked at by the dealer. There is obviously something wrong...
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:52 AM   #20
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I agree with having his ecoboost checked out at the dealer. I pull my tt like a diesel. It didn't even labor through the mountains in WV. And i was loaded to the max. There has been numerous programming upgrades from Ford for the engine and transmission. You might want to have it checked out.
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