Pay me now

[Yak]

Or pay me later. This gentleman didn't see the value in routine oil changes. Sludge through everything and the turbo was junk.

[Steve S]

And the story is? ?

[therink]

Amen to that. That is main reason I didn't want a Powerstroke. Have to remove cab to access injectors and a other major engine work.

[chuckster57]

Originally Posted by therink

Amen to that. That is main reason I didn't want a Powerstroke. Have to remove cab to access injectors and a other major engine work.

Actually you don't. Your thinking heads on a 6.0L, it can be done with cab in place, just not as fast.

FWIW "Powerstroke" covers 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 and 6.7 liter engines.

[therink]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

Actually you don't. Your thinking heads on a 6.0L, it can be done with cab in place, just not as fast.

FWIW "Powerstroke" covers 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 and 6.7 liter engines.

Thanks Chuckster57. I stand corrected.

[T3/T4 Hybrid]

What interval was he using on the oil change?

Miles on the engine?

[zuley]

I have a customer who specializes in Ford products. Numerous times I have walked into his shop and have seen the cabs lifted off various models of Ford pickups. Apparently one of the gas engines is notorius for breaking spark plugs when changing if allowed to go the recommended interval from Ford. I believe it is the plug on the drivers side rear against the fire wall that is impossible to get an easy out or a drill into if it breaks off. He'll do that plug first and if it snaps, off comes the cab. He tells me it is actually quite easy and has it down to an art less than three hours off and back on.

[TomHaycraft]

Always an education here.

I have been away from wrenching for too long. A shop down the highway from me, I periodically see the cabs lifted. This explains it. Thanks.

[bsmith0404]

I've seen cabs come off, it's not a difficult process. Unfortunately the labor rate is around 4-6 hours (can't remember exactly) so that's an added $500+ for labor.

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by bsmith0404

I've seen cabs come off, it's not a difficult process. Unfortunately the labor rate is around 4-6 hours (can't remember exactly) so that's an added $500+ for labor.

Well, in the grand scheme of things, when you're talking a 10K engine/turbo rebuild, what's $500?

Sad part is, even with regular oil/filter changes, on "those year Fords" the question is: "Would it have made a significant difference?"

[bsmith0404]

It's $500 that would be better in my pocket than someone elses. And my understanding is they have to pull the cab for more than just the engine change. Read about one that had a fuel pump failure that pushed metal shavings through the entire fuel system. The cab had to be pulled to change out the fuel system.

[Ken / Claudia]

They do that to the f150s also. I talked about this story on here before. 2 different co-workers had 4.6? trion? v8 engine mid 90s and maybe 01 models. Both had a spark plug blow out of the engine while towing heavy trailers. The cabs were removed to do the work. Two other friends have the 6.0 and have had the cabs removed to fix/replace the heads etc.

[gearhead]

Son calls me yesterday about 6pm. Been raining all day. Hey dad what are you doing? Nuthin. Can you bring me paper clip? Uh sure. I get to his place with 2 paperclips. A buddy is there with a older,6.0? PSD in the barn with the hood up. They have grease up to their elbows. What are y'all doing? Well we pulled the turbo, replaced the high pressure injector oil pump, and now a terminal pin is burnt on a injector. We want to use the paper clip to "extend" the pin. We've done it before and it worked. Uh sure Ok, y'all have fun. Haven't heard the report yet. Oh to be 30 yrs old again.

[chuckster57]

Let me preface this by saying I have been wrenching "on the side" for 40+ yrs.

I have done spark plugs on the Triton engines, was it easy and fun? Not by a long shot. I've replaced spark plugs on the engines that have 2 piece plugs, ALL 8 came apart as I tried to remove. Took me a while to get them all, and I convinced the customer to put one piece plugs back in @ $20.00/ea.

Tech's have said that removing the cab, may allow them to beat the "book rate" and that's the reason they do it. I have yet to have any dealership tech tell me that cab removal is a step in a service manual. Getting ready for head gaskets on a 6.0 and the only issue is interference with the A/C box to get the head bolts on the P/S. It can be done with an extension and the formula for changing where you set the wrench.

[Yak]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

Let me preface this by saying I have been wrenching "on the side" for 40+ yrs.

I have done spark plugs on the Triton engines, was it easy and fun? Not by a long shot. I've replaced spark plugs on the engines that have 2 piece plugs, ALL 8 came apart as I tried to remove. Took me a while to get them all, and I convinced the customer to put one piece plugs back in @ $20.00/ea.

Tech's have said that removing the cab, may allow them to beat the "book rate" and that's the reason they do it. I have yet to have any dealership tech tell me that cab removal is a step in a service manual. Getting ready for head gaskets on a 6.0 and the only issue is interference with the A/C box to get the head bolts on the P/S. It can be done with an extension and the formula for changing where you set the wrench.

I just looked it up, engine removal on the newer F250 diesel the manual gives you the option for cab on or cab off. On the earlier F150s we took the cab off to make it easier on our bodys, it's tough hanging over a fender for 8+ hours.
A job pays what a job pays, you can't add an extra $500 to pull the body, you pull the body to make it quicker/easier.

Chuckster, what are these "2 piece plugs"? They're all one piece when installed, they just break when removed. With the tool we now have it takes about 5 minutes to remove a broken plug.

[Javi]

The two piece plugs were an abomination which had a separate electrode; one that often broke and lodged in the motor. They were NOT like any plug before or after.

The fellow that thought up the two piece plug should be condemned to removing them 10 hours a day for eternity.

[gearhead]

Originally Posted by Javi

The two piece plugs were an abomination which had a separate electrode; one that often broke and lodged in the motor. They were NOT like any plug before or after.

The fellow that thought up the two piece plug should be condemned to removing them 10 hours a day for eternity.

Good one!!
Is that the same guy that sold the brake discs to Ford that couldn't be resurfaced?
Same time period.

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Javi

The two piece plugs were an abomination which had a separate electrode; one that often broke and lodged in the motor. They were NOT like any plug before or after.

The fellow that thought up the two piece plug should be condemned to removing them 10 hours a day for eternity.

On what vehicle??

[chuckster57]

The 2 piece plugs were used in certain years of Ford trucks with gas engine. The plug was "pressed" into a metal cup that formed the ground for the center electrode. Problem was when you started to take the plug out, the upper portion separated from the cup that stuck in the head from carbon buildup. I have two different sets of removers.

[vampress_me]

Originally Posted by Yak

A job pays what a job pays, you can't add an extra $500 to pull the body, you pull the body to make it quicker/easier.

I wish all service dept. people had your integrity. I've come across a few over the years that will quote whichever is the higher price in book if there's 2 ways to do something and then do it the easier/ cheaper way to make a few hundred bucks.