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Old 08-19-2015, 08:53 AM   #21
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Won't have much time to tell because rumor has it that Aisin will be short lived in the Ram and will be replaced by an Allison in a few years. Apparently the deal is already in the works and the design for the pairing is progressing.
The wifey has been mentioning a new truck for awhile. Maybe that's the combo that will ring my bell.

With regards to hotrodding and drag racing, those have been one of the primary drivers of automotive advancement throughout the world. Power is intoxicating, whether towing a trailer or not.
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:00 AM   #22
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It is all in how you drive them and take care of them. I had 2 Fords and never had an issue with either trans. Had 2 Dodges one Aisin and one regular and never had a problem with the regular one up to 45000 miles and probably 20000 towing. Aisin is only at 20000 and 9000 towing.

I work at a GM dealer and see just as many Allison problems and we saw Ford or Dodge trans problems. Biggest problem is over heating and tuners.
Ford trans did not hold up well to over Tq and Hp. Dodges did ok but struggled with higher mileage. Allisons don't seem to like the Tq that some guys push through them.

People don't seem to grasp that trucks are made to tow/haul and not drag race.
I tend to keep vehicles for a long time (recycling, of sorts). Regular maintenance is the key...and installing a Suncoast auto tranny in a Dodge or having an NV5600, six-speed, stick.
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:40 PM   #23
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Love to see a link to that story. Have not heard a peep about that.
I got the info from a guy who claims his son in law works for Allison and they have working the design marriage for a while. I believe he said it's supposed to be available on the 2019 models (may have been 2017 I can't remember for sure).

As for the Dodge automatics having trouble with high mileage, I would agree with that if you consider 65k high mileage. When I had my dodge, tranny was replaced at 65k and the one on the rack right next to mine was getting replaced at 67k.....I was so jealous he got 3% more miles than I did. The 6 spd manual seems to be pretty good, I know a guy who got 400k out of his and only 2 clutch replacements.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:22 PM   #24
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I got the info from a guy who claims his son in law works for Allison and they have working the design marriage for a while. I believe he said it's supposed to be available on the 2019 models (may have been 2017 I can't remember for sure).
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Unless GM is going to dump Allison I don't even see how that would be possible. They would be fools to let one, if not the best auto transmissions out there for 3/4 - 1 ton trucks get away from them to a competitor. I am sure they have a very nice non compete contract in place. Then again it could be a smaller version of the Allison to go behind the smaller diesel in the 1500 Rams.

Maybe GM is going to start putting the Aisin in their trucks in 2019.
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Old 08-19-2015, 02:55 PM   #25
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Unless GM is going to dump Allison I don't even see how that would be possible. They would be fools to let one, if not the best auto transmissions out there for 3/4 - 1 ton trucks get away from them to a competitor. I am sure they have a very nice non compete contract in place. Then again it could be a smaller version of the Allison to go behind the smaller diesel in the 1500 Rams.

Maybe GM is going to start putting the Aisin in their trucks in 2019.
Considering that Allison is one of the top transmission builders in the heavy equipment industry, I doubt GM can have a lot of say in them building a transmission for another company. There may have been a no compete clause in the contract, but keep in mind that they have been installing the Allison 1000 in GM trucks since 2001. No compete clauses typically will have an expiration. In addition, my understanding is they are building a new design. Allison builds several different model transmissions. Ford uses the Allison 2000 in F650 trucks. Granted not a competitor to the Silverado, but that is a competitor to the Kodiak and Top kick lines which also use the Allison 1000. Since GM is the only company to use the 1000, they probably have the corner on that model, but not others.
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:30 PM   #26
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The Allison/FCA Ram truck has been a rumor for the last 3 or 4 years.

Aisin is not in love with Fiat and Fiat is looking for someone to put trannys in the European heavy duty stuff they build.

That is if FCA stays around long enough and they don't go bankrupt again. They screwed up when they brought Fiat over as a solo dealer point and are losing money hand over fist on them.

All new models got pushed back 2 - 3 years last I heard. Were supposed to get a completely new Ram truck next year but it is 19 now I think.
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Considering that Allison is one of the top transmission builders in the heavy equipment industry, I doubt GM can have a lot of say in them building a transmission for another company. There may have been a no compete clause in the contract, but keep in mind that they have been installing the Allison 1000 in GM trucks since 2001. No compete clauses typically will have an expiration. In addition, my understanding is they are building a new design. Allison builds several different model transmissions. Ford uses the Allison 2000 in F650 trucks. Granted not a competitor to the Silverado, but that is a competitor to the Kodiak and Top kick lines which also use the Allison 1000. Since GM is the only company to use the 1000, they probably have the corner on that model, but not others.

Yep...so it sounds like its not going to happen. Its always fun to hear the "my neighbors friend who is a janitor was cleaning toilets at the airport and overheard.....
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Old 08-20-2015, 02:51 AM   #28
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.......Besides, there's just something right about a stick in a truck, a sports car and a motorcycle.
And an airplane.
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And an airplane.
Nice looking PA-12.
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Old 08-20-2015, 07:23 PM   #30
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:06 AM   #31
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Okay.

To get this back on topic.........

What do I like about this truck?

Virtually everything!

Towing is a freaking breeze, the transmission is a beauty, none of this having to put both feet on the throttle at a light! Just ease into it and the transmission shifts perfectly and from a standing start is perfect.

I actually have not used the tow/haul mode much until the last trip, and it is flawless.

We had traded in our 2004 3500 this past winter when the O/D unit parted ways with the truck, cheap fix was $45-5000 expensive fix? Maybe $9000! With the truck being 10 years old, and over a 250,000 on it felt it was time to take a dip as the next truck most likely would be our last or one of our last truck purchases! LOL

Haven't payed much attention to mileage, I use this guy as my daily driver, have noticed that it is roughly the same as the older 2004 model we had, with and without the trailer hooked up. We haul in mountains and prairies, and I DEFINITELY notice a huge difference between the 2 trucks when it comes to towing.

The only thing I need to do is load her up and take her to a scale and get the weights.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:38 PM   #32
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I have a 2014 3500 Diesel 4x4 long bed SRW tradesman with the 6 speed auto and 3.42 rear.

I have about 14,000 miles in 10 months. I previously had a 2000, 2002 and 2007 diesels. I get about the same mileage. 10-11 average towing. 18-20 empty if I drive about 65MPH.

I wanted the manual, but the manual is not strong enough to handle the full engine output. I had a 2000 Auto that sucked, 2002 was manual, 2007 was auto and it was fine with 120k miles. My research on the 6 speed auto indicated it was pretty bullet proof.

I gross about 22k when towing. There is a huge difference in this truck and my 2007 2500. More stable, much more power and it just feels much better. I would left my wife or son tow this rig (with some training). My other trucks were 2500s and I would never have let them tow with those trucks.

My 2007 ran around 2000 RPMs at 75MPH. This one runs I think 1600 or maybe 1700RPM at 75MPH.

But there is plenty of torque at that RPM. The trans will up shift and lock as low as 1,000 RPM. That takes a little getting used to.

The Ram is a good truck.

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Old 08-27-2015, 10:39 AM   #33
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In 2007 GM sold the Indianapolis/Speedway operations of Allison Transmission to the Carlyle Group and Onex Corporation. GM did not sell the Baltimore MD plant which produces the LCT1000 for GM HD trucks. The "rumor" circulating the plants after the sale was there was a 25 year non compete clause, on what to Allison Transmission, is considered light duty trucks.
The Indy operation still manufactures 1000s for chassis manufacturers. At the time the LCT 1000 became available GM did offer it to both Ford and Dodge, but they would not be supplied with the grade braking feature, it would be exclusive to GM trucks. Both declined, probably a bad move.
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Old 08-28-2015, 10:17 PM   #34
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I wanted the manual, but the manual is not strong enough to handle the full engine output. I had a 2000 Auto that sucked, 2002 was manual, 2007 was auto and it was fine with 120k miles. My research on the 6 speed auto indicated it was pretty bullet proof.

The Ram is a good truck.

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The 2000 autos did suck.

The limitation on the manual is the clutch not the NV5600 itself, I'm thinking. Its a very stout transmission. When, and if, mine toasts, South Bend it is.

See: http://www.southbendclutch.com/nv5600.html

The Ram IS a good truck.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:23 PM   #35
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Fuel mileage

one weekend I got 11. The next weekend I got 7.8. The long trip for 200 miles I got 10.2 on my 2015 Duramax/Allison power train. 19-20 without the Raptor tagging along😊
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:36 PM   #36
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I just got 10 MPG hand calculated over 1,059 miles from Raleigh, NC to Huntsville, AL and back, doing 70-75 everywhere I could. I would have gotten better if I had stayed at 65 and below but we were in a hurry.

I am a little over 21.3k pounds total.

Saw diesel once for $2.05.


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With our recent trip, about 6500 miles of towing the Cougar through flatlands and mountains averaged 10.5 to 11.5. We usually towed between 65-68 MPH. The cheapest diesel I saw was 2.099 in Kentucky. The most expensive was in Ohio and Michigan (at the trip's end) at 2.899. We did pay 3.199 in Yellowstone at Fishing Bridge, but that's not "normal pricing"...

Solo mileage was about 18-19 for the 1300 solo miles on that trip. Conditions were "slow, lots of idling" for parts of those solo miles and some 80 MPH interstate travelling as well.

The truck empty weighs in about 8200 and the rig total weight is about 17900 with the trailer loaded and cargo in the truck bed. The most recent 800 solo miles have averaged about 21 MPG. There was a marked increase in towing and solo mileage at about 10K on the truck. I'm not sure what will happen in the next couple of months with "winter fuel blends", but I do expect mileage to go down some, hopefully not below the previous averages of about 18-19 MPG.
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