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Old 11-02-2014, 04:19 PM   #1
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Ram 1500 vs Ram 2500 towing comparison

In other posts I have related some experiences I've had towing our Cougar High Country 319RLS with our 2012 Ram 1500. Due to overload concerns I upgraded to a 2014 Ram 2500. Both were/are gas engines. There are literally hundreds of questions when trying to figure out what kind of TV to pair with a given RV that I thought sharing what I've learned might be of some help to a prospective RV buyer.

The RV: 2014 Cougar High Country 319RLS. Listed weight: 8025lbs. Actual loaded weight: 9042 lbs. (grey/black tanks dry, 1/3 fresh water).

2012 Ram 1500 4x4 Quad Cab: 3:92 axle. 5.7L Hemi. Truck weight: 5300 lbs.
GCVW: 15, 500 lbs. Tow: 10,050 lbs. Payload: 1406 lbs.

2014 Ram 2500 4x4 Crew Cab: 3.73 axle. 6.4L hemi. Truck weight: 6500 lbs (from memory?). GCVW: 19,500 lbs. Tow:12, 500 lbs. Payload: 3171 lbs.

The obvious problem with the 1500 was payload. I was right at the limits on everything else and loaded the RV lightly due to that. We also carried very little in the truck. I added Air Lift 1000 air bags to help with sway.

My observations: The 2500 is a much bigger truck. It has a crew cab vs quad cab on the 1500 and it is considerably taller and more difficult to maneuver. The ride is terrible vs the 1/2 ton. This is primarily due to Ram requiring 80 psi in the rear tires and 65 psi in the front - unloaded. You can air them down, which helps a lot, if you don't mind the little low tire beacon staying on. In 2014 Ram apparently "upgraded" their electronics in the trucks. I've not seen any positive benefits but it did make it so the rear view camera will not show up on the big screen in the dash. It is in the corner of the rearview mirror which is about useless. On the highway the truck is very quiet, solid and soaks up the miles as did the 1500.

Comparing the two you give up comfort (ride quality) and nimbleness with the 2500. The 5.7L in the 1500 seemed more responsive than the 6.4L in the 2500. That is not to say the 2500 is a slouch and it may just be some electronic tuning of some sort. The 6.4 is a stronger engine, and feels it, it just doesn't feel like it responds "quick".

Towing is the reason I bought the 2500. The 1500 pulled the trailer OK. It was susceptible to sway even with the Equalizer 12k hitch and air bags. Not white knuckle stuff but enough to make you tense on a windy day or busy freeway. The kind of stuff that makes you exhausted at the end of the driving day. The weight issues never left my mind. I worried about anything and everything. We were just about maxed out in virtually all categories and I'm sure over our payload. Now I have plenty of margin.

In other posts there are lots of superlatives used to describe bigger trucks, diesels etc. for towing vs a half ton - night and day; no comparison etc. In this instance I couldn't say night and day (that would probably have to be a 1 ton diesel) but there truly is no comparison. To me for everyday use a half ton is the way to go. For a larger trailer the difference a 3/4 ton truck makes in towing is very noticeable and welcome. Make no mistake; the suspension on the 3/4 ton is far stouter than the 1500. It literally stabilizes the trailer for towing much more than the 1500 could. The 6.4L feels so much stronger towing than the 5.7L did although the numbers wouldn't indicate that. I can actually use cruise control and not worry about it and the engine is typically spinning about 2200 - 2400 rpm. Gas mileage is also better than the 5.7L. I was averaging about 7.5 - 8mpg with the 5.7L and over 9mpg with the 6.4L.

I didn't really want to make the TV change but felt I had to for the sake of safety. I knew I didn't like the ride of a bigger truck, and still don't, but if you're going to tow a heavier load you just need to do it. I'm glad I made the change; it improved the towing experience dramatically and now I'm back to trying to keep myself awake while driving instead of being tense and worrying all the time
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Old 11-02-2014, 05:55 PM   #2
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We changed from a 150 to a 350 at the beginning of the season and are glad we did. Spend a bit more on gas and yes the ride is a little stiffer but I love the truck and am so glad we made the change.
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:05 PM   #3
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Your experiences mirror mine. Sure the F250 is bigger, rides rougher, barely fits in the garage and I have to leave the door open until I walk around the truck or climb out the passenger door, but when towing the Cougar, the comfort experienced there far outweighs the discomfort when driving solo. Having towed the same trailer with both trucks, I much prefer the F250 and wouldn't consider going back.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:37 PM   #4
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Hmm, I am going to give it a shot this coming camping season with my 1500 but I can see now I may be pushing it. Especially since I was hoping to do a couple long hauls.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:50 PM   #5
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My trailer weights are almost the same as yours, I tow with a 1500 4X4 crew cab with the 5.7. Two months ago we purchased our Laredo in Florida. 30 days ago we started our trip and drove to North Alabama, then down to New Orleans, then to Houston. Then we diverted for a new job opportunity and went to Maryland.

The 1500 handled well despite the heavy load. I also installed the airbags inside the rear springs and it helped level the load and improved control. However I am thinking about upgrading to the 2500 6.4 gas to improve the pull and give us some breathing room on our weights.

The 1500 can do it. Ours was rated at 9900 tow rating and we had about 1200 on the tongue.

We averaged 9 mpg for the trip.
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:01 PM   #6
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Panama City! When we travel to FL we stay in Panacea to see our kids in St. Marks! I've spent a bit of time in Panama City and we send the kids there a lot. Small world.

You are right. The 1500 pulled our trailer just fine with the exception of the sway and my knowledge that I was pushing on a couple of the weight limits. I could have done without trading vehicles and probably been just fine but I could not escape the thought of something happening and it being my fault for overloading or forgetting something. I am a born worrier.

The 6.4L and the 2500 makes a huge difference. If you are thinking about it you might really consider the 6.4L. The diesel would be better for towing I'm sure but I just couldn't make the numbers work for how I use the truck - and the 6.4 is a GOOD engine (did I already say that?).
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Diesel isn't much of an option for us. Diesel fumes are a trigger for my wifes migraines. :-( so a large gas engine is the route we have to take. Thanks for the info on your 6.4.

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Old 11-03-2014, 06:38 PM   #8
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If you get the 6.4L I think you'll like it. Good luck.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:32 PM   #9
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Diesel isn't much of an option for us. Diesel fumes are a trigger for my wifes migraines. :-( so a large gas engine is the route we have to take. Thanks for the info on your 6.4.

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the new diesel's have No odor or soot from the exhaust with the new emissions

also this is one case where bigger is better
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Old 11-05-2014, 09:54 PM   #10
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Diesel isn't much of an option for us. Diesel fumes are a trigger for my wifes migraines. :-( so a large gas engine is the route we have to take. Thanks for the info on your 6.4.

Richard
I've had my 2012 Ram 2500 CTD for over 2.5 years and never smell diesel. Only time you will smell diesel nowadays is when someone has deleted the EGR and DPF and is running a tuner.
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Old 11-05-2014, 09:58 PM   #11
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There should be a button on the dash to push when running low tire pressure. Unless they removed it on the 13's. On the 12's it's on the right side in the center stack. Look in your manual. You should be running 45psi in the rear and maybe 55-60psi in the front. My 12 CTD says 65f 45r but I have 800lbs more that the 6.4 in front.
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Old 11-06-2014, 12:01 PM   #12
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Thanks. They say they removed the option for the light/heavy load switch when they revised the electronics on the '14 models. You get 80psi rear/65psi whether you're empty or fully loaded.
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