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Old 02-08-2023, 11:28 AM   #1
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Why is this?

How can the front GAWR of 5200lbs combined with the rear GAWR of 6340lbs (11,540 lbs) be greater than the GVWR of 10,000lbs on my 2020 Ford F250 Super Duty 4wd 6.7ltr Powerstroke? If the front can haul x, and the rear can haul y, then it stands to reason that the truck should be rated at x+y. At least in the mind of a 72 year old guy that sees anomalies everywhere these days. I hope someone has a reasonable explanation because I ain't buying this s**t!
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:22 PM   #2
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https://tfltruck.com/2018/07/ask-tfl...20GVWR%20limit.

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Old 02-08-2023, 01:26 PM   #3
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Thank you! A reasonable answer. I am grateful for your quick response So that I understand: all Ford F250 trucks have a 10,000 lb. GVWR regardless of bed length, engine size/fuel, and trim package? It seems that an F250 with a snowplow on the front and a salt spreader in the bed could be over on GVWR, but still under on both axles GAWR, could be ticketed for being over on GVWR? Pretty strange, but it is what it is. I only know that when pulling my Keystone Cougar 30' 25RDS "Half Ton" trailer with my F250 Power stroke, I have come very close to being over on GVWR several times with empty waste tanks. I scale it at least once every trip, and use a Blue OX WDH, that I got dialed in for a great pulling experience, but all for naught, if some overzealous portable scale guy gets a wild hair and decides to bag me between a boondocking stop and a dump station when my tanks are full and I am over 10k lbs. Imagine how bad it would be if I hadn't traded up to my Super Duty from my F150 that I originally had to pull my "half ton" Cougar with. It was a great truck that "pulled" the trailer OK, but it didn't "tow" it very well. Too light and kinda squishy. Be Safe, Stay Healthy, and Have Fun!
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Old 02-08-2023, 01:26 PM   #4
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Schooled me. Good info. I always wondered the same thing but that is good help and a good question. Thanks to both of you.
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Hey Max 23! You are more than welcome. I am starting to feel like I'm seven years old again whining "But Whyyyyyy!"
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Old 02-08-2023, 03:11 PM   #6
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In Calif, weight fees are part of your yearly registration. My ‘94 F350 DRW is 10,000 GVWR, weight fees are about $400.00.
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Old 02-08-2023, 03:33 PM   #7
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Thank you! A reasonable answer. I am grateful for your quick response So that I understand: all Ford F250 trucks have a 10,000 lb. GVWR regardless of bed length, engine size/fuel, and trim package? It seems that an F250 with a snowplow on the front and a salt spreader in the bed could be over on GVWR, but still under on both axles GAWR, could be ticketed for being over on GVWR? Pretty strange, but it is what it is. I only know that when pulling my Keystone Cougar 30' 25RDS "Half Ton" trailer with my F250 Power stroke, I have come very close to being over on GVWR several times with empty waste tanks. I scale it at least once every trip, and use a Blue OX WDH, that I got dialed in for a great pulling experience, but all for naught, if some overzealous portable scale guy gets a wild hair and decides to bag me between a boondocking stop and a dump station when my tanks are full and I am over 10k lbs. Imagine how bad it would be if I hadn't traded up to my Super Duty from my F150 that I originally had to pull my "half ton" Cougar with. It was a great truck that "pulled" the trailer OK, but it didn't "tow" it very well. Too light and kinda squishy. Be Safe, Stay Healthy, and Have Fun!
First, I face the same problems as you when towing my Cougar XLite fifth wheel. I am almost always within a couple hundred pounds of the 10K GVWR. So I can state that it's a hassle to keep up with what to leave home, what to take and what to do without "for this trip, but we need to remember to put it in the trailer for the next trip.... BTDT...

Now, the part in red... The answer depends on what year and what options are in the truck. Around 2018 (or in that time frame) Ford followed GM in upping the GVWR for some 3/4 ton trucks to allow for the heavier diesel engines. On some trucks, the GVWR was 10800, on others it was 10400. On all of the gas trucks (that I'm aware of) the GVWR has always been restricted to 10K.

It's the auto manufacturer's way of not penalizing trucks "too much" when buyers are looking at 3/4 ton trucks. The "other edge of the same sword" however, is the federal regulations concerning class 2B trucks. The government restricts class 2B trucks to 10K GVWR. That means the "rerated trucks" no longer "meet the class 2B criteria" and becomes a Class 3 truck... What that means to any specific owner is dependent on where he lives and what he does with the truck.

As an example, someone living in a HOA Subdivision that has a restriction to "no truck larger than a class 2" might find they can't park their new diesel F250 in the driveway because it's no longer rated a class 2 truck, but is a Class 3, just like the F350.... They may also find that insurance is no longer the same premium, or with some insurance companies, the "greater than class 2 truck" can not be insured as a POV, but must be insured as a commercial vehicle.

Lots of things to look into before buying a new 3/4 ton truck with a GVWR greater than the federally restricted 10K maximum.....

Now, all that said, the other side of that argument is, Who in their right mind in the HOA would be checking door stickers ???? Or, there's no HOA to worry about and that owner's insurance company doesn't care about class ratings....

So, I'd suggest looking at all the potential issues and don't just consider the extra 800 pounds of GVWR as a "perk that's being given to you"... It may not make a hill of beans difference, but it could be a "Oh Crap moment" ....

Here's a chart that might better explain the differences
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Old 02-08-2023, 04:03 PM   #8
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Bob another thing to keep in mind (it may have already been mentioned) is that the registration fees will probably change. How much depends on how OK views a 1 ton truck. Here in TX the fees almost doubled IIRC (increased gvwr). When I lived in OK memory seems to tell me that they tried to tax everything that wasn't nailed down (and still even most of that). I'm thinking they were trying to determine a value for the titanium in my fake knees but finally avoided that....kidding. Just an fyi.
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Chuckster57, as you may know, being retired law enforcement, the weight fees on trucks in CA are calculated from the actual trucks weight at time of initial registration
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I told this yarn here before but here it goes again.
When I bought my 2018 Ram dually I realized soon after that the dealer registered it for 10,000 GVW. I paid a visit to the sales office and basically made a fool of myself. The more I talked the madder I got. They said “but it weighs 8,000 pounds and it’s a 1 ton, so that adds up to 10,000. We are trying to save you money on registration fees.” Look guys I’m not a local rancher occasionally hauling a load of cows to the sale barn. We all know no cop is going to ticket me for weight with a load of cows. I will be pulling a 18,000# travel trailer, maybe in Illinois or California. They don’t take too kindly to a Texan bending the rules like he is at home.
So I went to my county tax office and changed the GVW to 14,000. My next registration bill changed from $70 to $140.
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Chuckster57, as you may know, being retired law enforcement, the weight fees on trucks in CA are calculated from the actual trucks weight at time of initial registration
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I was locked up with the cream of society for my career.
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