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Old 11-06-2011, 10:27 AM   #1
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I am interested if anyone on this forum has towing experience with a Toyota Tacoma? I currently have a 2007 Toyota Tacoma Double Cab/Long Bed with towing option (6500lb). I have been towing a Gulfstream Innsbruck (5200lbs dry) and have had no issues except when I take on a step grade and have not gotten my RPMs up enough (drivers fault) and I do have some swaying when pushing it over 60MPH (try not to do that often).

We are now considering upgrading our camper and have fallen in love with the Passport 3220BH - however the weight is too high I think for this TT. Dry the trailer is around 6100lbs. We usually don't go anywhere without water, so we will be towing it with just our gear (no water tanks filled) -

I know that I will be over the 6500 and probably close to 7000 when we are loaded up - so what says the group ? Does anybody have an XP with Gen2 Tacoma with this much weight? We don't take long trips, usually within an hour drive from home at the most we take a trip to NH or NJ (3-5hrs).
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:00 AM   #2
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There is a 3 page long conversation about this very subject. It's in this section titled "truck passed with flying colors". Although the truck involved is not a Tacoma I'm sure you will find the answers to you weight questions there. At lease you'll alot of opinions.
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Old 11-06-2011, 02:25 PM   #3
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You have already acknowledged that you will be overweight. That particular truck and the Passport are not a good match regardless of the length of trip you take. If you are overloaded, it doesn't matter if you travel 10 miles or 1000 miles - at 50 mph or 60 mph - it is unsafe no matter which way you slice it. If you are "in love" with the Passport, fall in love with a truck that will pull it - and your family - safely!
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Old 11-06-2011, 02:56 PM   #4
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X2....be safe
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:23 PM   #5
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Let's look at this another way...

The rated payload for an '07 Crew Cab long bed Tacoma is 1,350#. While the published specs for the Passport 3320BH show a tongue weight of 580#, that can not be right. The proper tongue weight for a TT should be up around 12% of GVWR or about 900# in this case. Actual tongue weights almost always tend to be higher than any of us think they are. My last TT was 5,500 GVWR, but had an actual tongue weight of 820#.

Add two adults at an absolute minimum of 275-300# and you are rapidly approaching max payload. Anything or anyone else in the TV will put you at or over the max.

Payload ratings are determined by the capabilities of the TV's springs, axles, wheels, tires, and frames. Exceeding payload is inadvisable under the best of circumstances.

Add in the fact that you're #1,400 over the rated towing capacity of the Tacoma, and the outlook is just not good.

My (admittedly rough) rule of thumb is that a 7,500-7,800# GVWR trailer is the biggest that should be towed by a properly equipped full 1/2 ton pickup, ie. Ford F150, Dodge or Chevy 1500, or the Tundra. Such a truck has 20-40% greater capabilities than the Tacoma.
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:24 PM   #6
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You, yourself already admit that you're haveing some problems, sway and possible larger hills/mountains, so what do you expect if you go even larger? I would either stay with what I have or look for a bigger truck.
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:08 PM   #7
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rfrazier, don't take offense to any posted comments as all of us are dedicated RVers and want to help in a situation like yours! You may not like what you here in some replys but remember you're the one pulling that RV & if things get out of hand & you have a serious mishap it could effect any of us on that highway. Be safe, match your trailer to a very capable tow vehicle!
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:21 PM   #8
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Seems to me that towing a Passport 3220BH (6100 lb empty weight) with a Tacoma would be about the same as me pulling my Springdale 242RLSS (6200 lb dry weight) with my old Ranger. After all, it had essentially the same engine/transmission and trailer capacity. Now, not for one second would I consider that a "matched rig" or safe for even a short tow to the campground around the block from my house. I'd think the same of the Tacoma pulled rig. Overloaded, overburdened and overworked. Not a good idea !!!
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rfrazier,

Let me ask you a question I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to.
When you had your swaying issue when you were pushing it over 60 without getting your RPM's up, was it just for a few seconds until your speed dropped below 60mph? Also, what makes you think low RPM's was the cause of the swaying?

The reason I'm asking is I think if it had been more than a few seconds or a more than "wiggle left, right, left" in the mirror, you wouldn't be considering a heavier trailer with a light duty truck. You also may have bought a new pair of shorts which is what I did the first time I had a significant sway issue. By significant, I mean a back and forth cross over right to left of about 15 times.

I don't know (maybe I'll learn something here) what RPM's have to do with trailer stability other than they have a relationship with speed. If your getting sway at over 60, increasing your RPM's and your speed isn't a cure as far as I know. Slowing is usually the best bet when you have sway. I was always told maintain or slightly increase throttle and use your trailer brakes to slow and correct sway.

Someone tell me if I'm wrong here but that was the old school solution I was taught 30 years ago when I first started pulling trailers (horses back then ;-)
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rfrazier,

Let me ask you a question I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to.
When you had your swaying issue when you were pushing it over 60 without getting your RPM's up, was it just for a few seconds until your speed dropped below 60mph? Also, what makes you think low RPM's was the cause of the swaying?

The reason I'm asking is I think if it had been more than a few seconds or a more than "wiggle left, right, left" in the mirror, you wouldn't be considering a heavier trailer with a light duty truck. You also may have bought a new pair of shorts which is what I did the first time I had a significant sway issue. By significant, I mean a back and forth cross over right to left of about 15 times.

I don't know (maybe I'll learn something here) what RPM's have to do with trailer stability other than they have a relationship with speed. If your getting sway at over 60, increasing your RPM's and your speed isn't a cure as far as I know. Slowing is usually the best bet when you have sway. I was always told maintain or slightly increase throttle and use your trailer brakes to slow and correct sway.

Someone tell me if I'm wrong here but that was the old school solution I was taught 30 years ago when I first started pulling trailers (horses back then ;-)
I believe what the OP ment was that he was having a tough time taking off on a steep hill with low RPM.''not building enough tourq''. RPM have nothing to do with sway. He was having a sway issue when he gets over 60mph.
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Old 02-15-2012, 05:18 PM   #11
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As an owner of a 3220BH, I would absolutely not tow with the Tacoma. I have a 1500 Suburban that I've supplemented to keep everything stable. I also have a Tacoma, which has a smaller footprint and a higher center of gravity. You will be at your max with no room left for any food/gear/bedding or passengers.

EDIT: Just realized how old this thread is. Not sure if OP is still contemplating or what?
 
Old 02-15-2012, 05:35 PM   #12
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rfrazier, Howdy;

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Hi Folks -


I am interested if anyone on this forum has towing experience with a Toyota Tacoma? I currently have a 2007 Toyota Tacoma Double Cab/Long Bed with towing option (6500lb). I have been towing a Gulfstream Innsbruck (5200lbs dry) and have had no issues except when I take on a step grade and have not gotten my RPMs up enough (drivers fault) and I do have some swaying when pushing it over 60MPH (try not to do that often).

We are now considering upgrading our camper and have fallen in love with the Passport 3220BH - however the weight is too high I think for this TT. Dry the trailer is around 6100lbs. We usually don't go anywhere without water, so we will be towing it with just our gear (no water tanks filled) -

I know that I will be over the 6500 and probably close to 7000 when we are loaded up - so what says the group ? Does anybody have an XP with Gen2 Tacoma with this much weight? We don't take long trips, usually within an hour drive from home at the most we take a trip to NH or NJ (3-5hrs).
Let me see if I'm comprehending what you are saying to us. I'll paraphrase to keep it short.
You stated;
" I have been towing a Gulfstream Innsbruck (5200lbs dry) and have had no issues except when I take on a step grade and have not gotten my RPMs up enough (drivers fault) and I do have some swaying when pushing it over 60MPH (try not to do that often)." (my italics)
You are haveing 'minor' problems and would like to be enabled to create a larger problem with a TT that is also larger. ???

You also mentioned that you;
"We don't take long trips, usually within an hour drive from home at the most we take a trip to NH or NJ (3-5hrs)."
So, you infer that even though you will be dirving through some of the WORST traffic (I-95 corridor), in the world with your minor problems (refer to above statement), you are again looking for someone to say it's Okay to put your family and the rest of us in harm's way.......?

Sorry if this appears a bit thickskinned, I think you should just "Truck-Up".
Get something designed to do the job. What happens when all of a sudden you desire to go west of the Appalachains??? Buy the truck now, you'll arrive more relaxed and be more inclined to enjoy the trip more.

I'll put my soapbox away now.

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Perhaps the OP received enough information and feedback discouraging him from his plan that he decided not to follow through with it. Yes, the OP hasn't appeared on the forum since posting - over 3 1/2 months ago - but it is not unusual for someone to make 1 post then disappear. But thanks for your response, anyway.
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Fesyus2, Howdy;

Sorry I copied an pasted and didn't pay attention to the OP's org. date.....

I still stand by what i said though. Don't understand folks looking for valadition of a bad idea unless they're just looking for someone else to point a finger at if they have an accident. You know;
"... but officer, I was told on a forum that it was Okay....." Sad ... really sad.

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DUDE THE REASON YOUR TRUCK SWAYS OVER 60 IS YOU GUARDIAN ANGEL IS TRYING TO WAKE YOU UP AND COME TO YOUR SENCES.:I TOO RUN THE I95 CORRIDOR SO PLEASE SEND ME YOUR PLATE NUMBER SO I CAN STAY AWAY FROM YOU ON THE ROAD. WHAT YOU ARE ASKING A TOYOTA TO DO IS INSANE AND ILLEAGAL. HANK I AM WITH YOU. HOPE YOUR SOAP BOX IS BIG THERE WILL BE ALOT OF US ON THERE
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I hope the OP didn't go over to RV.Net and ask the same question. Those guys over there are even more brutal..
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I hope the OP didn't go over to RV.Net and ask the same question. Those guys over there are even more brutal..
And they're no where near as tough as Will Sill was over on the old alt.rv newsgroup!
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Steve, you’re showing your age. You’re like 100 in Internet years. Newsgroups? That’s like reading stone tablets with Lynx.

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And they're no where near as tough as Will Sill was over on the old alt.rv newsgroup!
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Who Is Will Sill?

Before we become brutal and as tough as Will Sill, let's maintain our softer and more gentle approach and reputation by closing this thread and bid bon voyage to the OP who, by now, has probably seen the light and bought a Dodge dually 350. My humble apologies to all Ford and GMC/Chev owners.
Thank you to everyone who shared their expertise and subtle recommendations with the OP.
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