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Old 05-12-2023, 05:12 PM   #1
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2016 f250 6.7 advice

Iím looking at the truck itís extremely nice and was a 1 owner fleet truck but was never used as a Truck, even the bed looks like new. My son picked it up at a super price ($20k) from a friend before the auction (heís a dealer).and he knew we were looking for one. BUT it has 300,000. on the clock. Our thought was to get a F250 to pull our Bullet 220RBI for now but looking into the future a half-ton 5th.Wheel or longer travel trailer. Bucket trips to Blue Ridge next year and following year out west to Nevada. I figure I will get a honest and hands on advice from the forum members that have been going down the road with high mileage vehicles. I know I will have & do (have done) preventive maintenance. One big question is should one always get the transmission serviced ( the best service transmission shop in Orlando) Any advice is welcomed and appreciated.
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Old 05-12-2023, 05:53 PM   #2
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You started your post with, "a 1 owner fleet truck" and somewhere around the middle, you stated, "Our thought was to get a F250 to pull our Bullet 220RBI for now but looking into the future a half-ton 5th"

I didn't see any comments about the load capabilities of the "fleet truck" or even if it was a HD truck or maybe a half ton fleet truck"...

As for F250's, some older ones (2011-2016 or so) with diesel engines AND luxury trim level options, can have a payload within a couple hundred pounds of a "typical half ton from any manufacturer"... It's not uncommon to find a diesel F250 Lariat or King Ranch with a payload capacity of 2000 pounds or close to that. Now, if your "fleet truck or the F250 is a gas engine truck, you'll get roughly 800 pounds increased payload over the diesel, so you do get breathing room with a gas engine vs a diesel powered truck.

When looking at a F250 for towing a fifth wheel, even a "half ton fifth wheel", many simply do not have the payload to accommodate that kind of trailer pin weight....

So, what are the specs on that "fleet truck" and what kind of "F250 to tow a future half ton 5th" are you wanting to fill both needs ????

As is often said on here, if you're looking at a 3/4 ton diesel, you'd be much better off skipping up to the 1 ton (same size, same ride, much improved payload) if a fifth wheel is in your future....

I've got a 30' Cougar XLite fifth wheel and EVERY (did I mention EVERY) trip is a hassle, trying to keep the pin weight under the truck payload.... If I'd have known in 2014 when I bought this truck what I know today, I'd have bought the F350 sitting next to it instead... Same negotiated price, same equipment, same color but 1200 pounds more payload and I could have skipped all the BS I've gone through with DW who simply doesn't understand why we can't take 6 lawn chairs and 2 patio mats in case we have guests that she wants to invite over for an evening.....

This is "not really about a high mileage fleet truck purchase" but rather, IMO, a beginning requirement for any truck purchase.... And IMO, a diesel F250 isn't equipped to tow a fifth wheel.....

Let the arrows begin to fly......
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Old 05-12-2023, 06:43 PM   #3
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To toss in my 2 cents... there are 3/4 ton trucks and there are 3/4 ton trucks. My sister's Ram Laramie 3/4 ton has a payload of less than 1900 lbs. Those "half ton" 5th wheels have gross weights in the neighborhood of 10K lbs and almost NO half ton truck has the payload. My sis's 3/4 ton Ram doesn't. Check the payload of that F250; if it was a fleet truck and is a non-luxury line (such as an XL model) it may have enough payload (over 2500 lbs) to handle some of the lighter 1/2 ton towable fifth wheels. If you are thinking about moving up, suggest you forgo the purchase and pick up a one ton that won't cause you to have to make hard decisions on which camper you can pull.

I had a 96 F250 w/7.5L gas motor, 2WD and short bed/super cab. The literature I saw said over 3400 lbs payload but there was no sticker and I never took it to a weigh station. I pulled my same 5th wheel and the main downside were the rear drum brakes. While I was probably safe and within payload limits (just making an educated guess), I bought a 1 ton as soon as I was able. Turns out the 96 F250 is a fairly desirable truck even with the gas hog 7.5L gas motor. I made a nice profit when I sold it; almost enough to purchase my 1 ton.
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Old 05-13-2023, 03:11 AM   #4
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Since it is your sons truck (at least for now) i’d take it to a reputable local diesel mechanic…every city has one that specializes in turbo and injector rebuilds and complete engines..have the engine looked over and you could even have them do an oil analysis on the engine. If they also do vehicle inspections i’d let them look over the whole truck for worn out suspension and drivetrain parts then you will know the full price of the truck.

An engine replacement or rebuild on a diesel truck is way more specialized and expensive then a gas version…you could easily be over 10k or more for a rebuild or long block install after the mechanic puts everything back together…a transmission could be over 5k installed for a rebuilt unit.

The old 7.3 Ford diesel could probably go 500,000 miles without a hiccup but the modern emission saddled diesels of all manufacturers are not likely to see that without expensive repairs along the way.

If you pass on the truck you could add the cost of the inspections to the selling price

Usually when looking at a used vehicle you don’t get the luxury of a thorough inspection but since it’s your sons truck it looks like you may have the opportunity
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Old 05-14-2023, 10:41 AM   #5
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Thank you all for the info and I was able to dig deeper and I went through the FORD website using the VIN to get all the numbers and here’s what I found pertaining to weights & towing on this truck from the build sheet. I’m working on getting a fishing buddy to run down with us to look it over. He was the lead supervisor of the city’s vehicle and construction service and maintenance garage. If not I’ll just bring it home (130 miles apart) and go over it here. And if I’m understanding this right. If this was about boats I’d be answering instead of learning . Lol

Gross vehicle weight rating 9900 lbs = people,,fuel, cargo in truck ??
Wt. Distribution hitch ( I have an Anderson) max trailer wt. 12200
Dead weight hitch tongue wt. 500
5 th.Wheel hitch max trailer wt. 12100.
5 th Wheel Hitch max t wt. 3025
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From firs site

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap
9900, 10000 *lbs *9900.0 min 10000.0 max
Gross Combined Wt Rating
23500, 22000, 19000 *lbs *19000.0 min 23500.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt.
5000 *lbs *5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt.
500 *lbs *500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt.
14000, 12500, 12200 *lbs *12200.0 min 14000.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt.
1400, 1250, 1220 *lbs *1220.0 min 1400.0 max
Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Trailer Wt.
15900, 15100, 12100 *lbs *12100.0 min 15900.0 max
Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Tongue Wt.
3975, 3775, 3025 *lbs *3025.0 min 3975.0 max
Maximum Trailering Capacity
14000, 12500, 12200 *lbs *12200.0 min 14000.0 max
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Old 05-14-2023, 12:45 PM   #6
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What is ‘cargo capacity’ from the sticker on the door jam?
It will read “Combined cargo cannot exceed xxxx”
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Old 05-14-2023, 12:52 PM   #7
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Ill look when i get down there this week to see in person. Ill ask the grandson when he goes to the showroom take a pic n send it.
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Old 05-14-2023, 05:23 PM   #8
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Those "specifications are HIGHLY SUSPECT" !!!!!

First, Any "relatively new" Ford Superduty diesel will have a curb weight of at least 7500 pounds. So, with a GVWR of 9900 pounds and a vehicle weight of 7500+, the best cargo capacity you can expect is around 2400 pounds. (9900-7500=2400).

So, the first "glaring inconsistency" that I picked up is the maximum fifth wheel hitch capacity.... AIN'T GONNA BE MORE THAN THE GVWR minus TRUCK WEIGHT, so when you factor in the hitch weight, any cargo weight, passenger weight, driver weight (over 150 pounds) and the change in the ashtray, you won't get anywhere close to 3025 pound fifth wheel pin capacity....

From there, I pretty much stopped trying to run any "valid specification comparisons" because that data is HIGHLY SUSPECT as being wrong.....

In short, you can't carry more fifth wheel hitch weight than the maximum cargo capacity (payload) that's on the yellow sticker on the driver's door jamb of the truck in question, and that won't be anywhere close to 3000 pounds......

I'd hold off on any "firm plans" until you at least get the accurate specifications from the truck... Payload is critical limiting factor on any 3/4 ton from any manufacturer.
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Old 05-18-2023, 11:43 AM   #9
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Want to thank you for the help. I learned a lot but still a lot more to go. We decided getting this one as it would need new tires on it and a lot of front end work so we passed.
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Old 05-20-2023, 04:35 PM   #10
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if you are planning to get a 5th wheel later don't buy an f250 now. a good F350 will give you more capacity for later and the price should be relatively similar or even cheaper seeing as way more F350's are sold than F250's.
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