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[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by dronning

May have to upgrade to 40lb tanks!
Tried to find gas consumption rate an all I could find is water flow rate. I did find that if you had a propane only system before, the tankless unit will use 50% of the propane which is due to not having to keep the water warm all the time. Great if you are boondocking and don't go overboard on showers.
- Dave

The Girard Model GSWH-2 uses 42,000 BTU/HR of operation. There is 91,502 BTU in a gallon of propane, so the water heater uses about 1/2 gallon per hour of operation.

[dronning]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

The Girard Model GSWH-2 uses 42,000 BTU/HR of operation. There is 91,502 BTU in a gallon of propane, so the water heater uses about 1/2 gallon per hour of operation.

Cool - thanks!
When I upgrade to 40gal propane tanks and if I didn't have any other propane use I could take enough showers (2,160 min)X(1.25gal/min ave) to fill the 82 gallon grey water tank 33 times.
- Dave

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by dronning

Cool - thanks!
When I upgrade to 40gal propane tanks and if I didn't have any other propane use I could take enough showers (2,160 min)X(1.25gal/min ave) to fill the 82 gallon grey water tank 33 times.
- Dave

Just don't brush your teeth, wash your hands or pee in the shower LOL

[Mayne_Doc]

I was surprised to learn my new Carbon 348 has a propane only tankless system. I wanted to be able to be 100% electric. At least have the choice. One of the problems of researching online. I don’t recall any description of this system in any literature I read. The generic manual on Keystone’s site only talks about “options”. I will adjust and reserve judgement until I have used it awhile. I do like the weight saving. Thanks for the link to the manual.

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

Vehicles are already too self sufficient for my liking to the point people think they do not have to drive while getting dressed, putting on make-up, shaving, texting & doing a crossword puzzle from behind the wheel traveling at 70 mph.
BTW I've actually seen all the above in my travels.

Well a bit off topic, but WOW!!

To the subject, we have a 10 gallon HW tank, leave on both gas and electric. We full time and use electric for heat, and a mix of electric and gas for cooking. we use about 7 gallons of propane in a month. We almost always have enough hot water, except when DW takes one of her forever showers.

[chuckster57]

Originally Posted by Mayne_Doc

I was surprised to learn my new Carbon 348 has a propane only tankless system. I wanted to be able to be 100% electric. At least have the choice. One of the problems of researching online. I don’t recall any description of this system in any literature I read. The generic manual on Keystone’s site only talks about “options”. I will adjust and reserve judgement until I have used it awhile. I do like the weight saving. Thanks for the link to the manual.

If your talking about water weight in the water heater tank, even a 12 gal would only be 96 pounds. If 100 lbs makes/breaks limits then I’m sorry but IMO you have the wrong trailer or truck. YMMV

[Mayne_Doc]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

If your talking about water weight in the water heater tank, even a 12 gal would only be 96 pounds. If 100 lbs makes/breaks limits then I’m sorry but IMO you have the wrong trailer or truck. YMMV

Well, every little bit counts right? I can now carry 96lbs more beer. Just kidding.

I am new to hauling a 39ft 18,000 GVWR Carbon 348 so still learning about the importance of weight. I don’t have my truck yet. I am planning on getting a Ford F-350 7.3L SRW.

[chuckster57]

If you would have said 96 pounds of moonshine I would have said YUP

I agree every pound counts when your rolling down the road at those weights.

[Mayne_Doc]

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by Mayne_Doc

Well, every little bit counts right? I can now carry 96lbs more beer. Just kidding.

I am new to hauling a 39ft 18,000 GVWR Carbon 348 so still learning about the importance of weight. I don’t have my truck yet. I am planning on getting a Ford F-350 7.3L SRW.

Hauling a THer that size you need the drw diesel.

[Mayne_Doc]

Gosh I hope not. I am allergic to diesel and need to use the truck for everyday use. The 2021 towing ratings for a 5ver are higher and if I get the 7.3L engine with the 4.3 diff. According to Ford's Towing Guide: 5th-wheel tow rating limited to 5th-wheel hitch rating of 19,000 lbs. I think I just make it. Your advice appreciated.

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by Mayne_Doc

Gosh I hope not. I am allergic to diesel and need to use the truck for everyday use. The 2021 towing ratings for a 5ver are higher and if I get the 7.3L engine with the 4.3 diff. According to Ford's Towing Guide: 5th-wheel tow rating limited to 5th-wheel hitch rating of 19,000 lbs. I think I just make it. Your advice appreciated.

First, in order for anyone to believe you have three three legged cats, we need to see a pic! Second, you 17K lb. camper is going to need a truck with sufficient payload. The hitch weight for your Carbon is almost 3900 lbs based on gross weight (fully loaded camper). The 7.3L gasser isn't all that easy to find and you may end up buying what is available and I suspect they guzzy up most of the 7.3L models for the sake of profit. Many prospective versions of the 7.3L will have payloads under or near 4K lbs so just keep a watchful eye out for an F350 with least 4500 lbs payload and that is conservative. Looked at autotrader.com and most of the 7.3L offerings were upper end models (meaning lower payload) and ran from mid 70s to low 90s in price. OUCH. Not sure if one of these beasts can be ordered right now...

[chunker]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

Hauling a THer that size you need the drw diesel.

That needs to be capitalized and highlighted. DRW

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

First, in order for anyone to believe you have three three legged cats, we need to see a pic! Second, you 17K lb. camper is going to need a truck with sufficient payload. The hitch weight for your Carbon is almost 3900 lbs based on gross weight (fully loaded camper). The 7.3L gasser isn't all that easy to find and you may end up buying what is available and I suspect they guzzy up most of the 7.3L models for the sake of profit. Many prospective versions of the 7.3L will have payloads under or near 4K lbs so just keep a watchful eye out for an F350 with least 4500 lbs payload and that is conservative. Looked at autotrader.com and most of the 7.3L offerings were upper end models (meaning lower payload) and ran from mid 70s to low 90s in price. OUCH. Not sure if one of these beasts can be ordered right now...

In that same price range, a "nicely equipped F350 DRW diesel" can be much easier to find and with a 18-19 thousand pound trailer, no SRW gas truck is going to provide a comparable towing experience...

Like the guy that was in a "summer resort" and had his trailer towed to the site by the dealer when he bought it, the guy told me all he had was an older ranger pickup and needed to move his 43' fifth wheel off the site for the winter or pay for lot rent all year. He wanted to know how to move it with his truck. The answer, at least for me: You can't do that...

Towing a "heavy fifth wheel with a SRW" falls into that same category, at least for me.

[jasin1]

I look at it now sorta like a small airplane... would you feel comfortable flying in a Cessna 172 that had say a 800 lb cargo capacity and flying it all the time with 750 lbs in it? It’s under the numbers but it’s not worth the chance as far as I’m concerned. I would want a larger reserve in safety then pushing it to the limit ALL the time... I know it’s not the same but it is just as dangerous driving 25000 lbs down the highway with everything important to you in the vehicle ...both cargo and passengers alike

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by jasin1

I look at it now sorta like a small airplane... would you feel comfortable flying in a Cessna 172 that had say a 800 lb cargo capacity and flying it all the time with 750 lbs in it? It’s under the numbers but it’s not worth the chance as far as I’m concerned. I would want a larger reserve in safety then pushing it to the limit ALL the time... I know it’s not the same but it is just as dangerous driving 25000 lbs down the highway with everything important to you in the vehicle ...both cargo and passengers alike

Then take that Cessna with an 800 pound cargo capacity that's rated at 70F at 10K feet and attempt to fly over the Rockies through a 10500' pass on a 80F day with a 40MPH crosswind (blowing you into the sides of the pass) with the extra fuel needed to maintain speed with the headwinds once you turn south on the other side of the pass...

Same with a tow vehicle "working at its max"... When you get into the "fringe" (weeds) operating without any reserves makes the trip significantly more stressful and also increases the risk of a call to "search and rescue"....

[jasin1]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

Then take that Cessna with an 800 pound cargo capacity that's rated at 70F at 10K feet and attempt to fly over the Rockies through a 10500' pass on a 80F day with a 40MPH crosswind (blowing you into the sides of the pass) with the extra fuel needed to maintain speed with the headwinds once you turn south on the other side of the pass...

Same with a tow vehicle "working at its max"... When you get into the "fringe" (weeds) operating without any reserves makes the trip significantly more stressful and also increases the risk of a call to "search and rescue"....

Geez that scenario sounds scary.. just as scary going up one side or down the other of the same mountain in a truck and trailer combo on the edge of its safety limits

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by jasin1

Geez that scenario sounds scary.. just as scary going up one side or down the other of the same mountain in a truck and trailer combo on the edge of its safety limits

Exactly ...

[Mayne_Doc]

Thanks. I was planning on ordering the truck. It prices out with all the options that I want at about $55K 8ft bed, 5th wheel prep, towing package etc. If it is not possible to order it, I will look at other options. I will go diesel if necessary but unless you bump to the duelly you really don't gain much towing capacity and I really don't want a duelly. I will look very carefully at the payload. Thank you for the info. I appreciate the help.

I will find a picture of one of my tripods and share.

[jasin1]

Originally Posted by Mayne_Doc

Thanks. I was planning on ordering the truck. It prices out with all the options that I want at about $55K 8ft bed, 5th wheel prep, towing package etc. If it is not possible to order it, I will look at other options. I will go diesel if necessary but unless you bump to the duelly you really don't gain much towing capacity and I really don't want a duelly. I will look very carefully at the payload. Thank you for the info. I appreciate the help.

I will find a picture of one of my tripods and share.

I just got a dually.....up until the 2 weeks prior to buying it I was totally against it. It really isn’t that much of a difference as far as daily driving but it’s a BIG difference in towing