Corona Virus (Covid 19) Related Question

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by goducks

Shut the country down with a mandatory quarantine for 14 days. The virus shows it's self within 14 days. Anyone infected would be showing signs of it during the 14 days. They would then be exposed and could get treatment and others could separate from them.
The virus can't live on objects longer than 72 hours max.
This would almost completely stop the spreading,
No flights in out.

It would be tough but much better than this semi social distancing for months.

Aside from the monumental devastation shutting down all aspects of the country for 14 days would do the issue would still be the same and nothing resolved because by far most of the folks that get the virus don't get sick so you wouldn't know plus to know if anyone/everyone had the virus or not they would have to be tested....they don't have the tests. Then, after the country is irreversibly damaged the virus "would be ALMOST completely stopped..." Then what? The whole scenario unfolds again....naw, I like social distancing.

[Snoking]

Canada today issues a call for all Canadians out of the country to return. They face a 14 day quaratine on arrival. Our park in AZ shutdown all activities today. I had to return my woodshop monitor keys. Only outside things are available. Pickleball, bumpyball and maybe the swimming pools are among the activities available.

[travelin texans]

Our park also cancelled ALL indoor activities????
The outdoor activities (pool, bocce ball, pickleball, etc.) are still going on without any assistance or sponsorship from the park or it's employees.
The laundry facilities & 1/2 of the public restrooms will still be available??????
Our Canadian friends said they received word that the borders would not close so they can return but are not required to do so at this time, but will be quarantined at home for 14 days when they do return.

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

Our park also cancelled ALL indoor activities????
The outdoor activities (pool, bocce ball, pickleball, etc.) are still going on without any assistance or sponsorship from the park or it's employees.
The laundry facilities & 1/2 of the public restrooms will still be available??????
Our Canadian friends said they received word that the borders would not close so they can return but are not required to do so at this time, but will be quarantined at home for 14 days when they do return.

Here's the official link for the Canadian border https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/menu-eng.html
The US "recommendation" now is no gatherings more than 10 people and maintain 6' separation. The CG may be following whatever authorities govern the state, county, or local authorities are telling them.
Here in Maryland yesterday the governor mandated all restaurants and bars closed with the exception of drive thru and carry out. Also closed the casinos. Constitutionally there are restrictions on what the Federal Government can do, especially when military involvement is concerned. Most of the emergency management is state controlled and the governor of a state must ask the Federal government to send the military or FEMA, and other aid so I would recommend that anyone seeking information should look at the official state website (with a .gov extension) for the state they are in or are going to.

[LHaven]

Here's today's email opportunism. I have mixed feelings about this, because I've been thinking along the same lines myself, but I still think that outright marketing it is tacky...

[Snoking]

In the last two days I have received emails about the coronavirus from:
Columbia Sun RV Resort
Intuit/Turbo Tax
AMA model airplane club
The Exchange
State Farm ins (3)
White House (Many)
Ace Hardware
SiriusXM
OTR Mobile
Consumer Cellular
Southwest Airlines
National Financial Services LLC
The Everett Clinic
Earnhardt CDJR
Verde Ranch RV Resort
and
Our current RV Resort.
and maybe some I missed.

Chris

[Bob R]

Originally Posted by Snoking

In the last two days I have received emails about the coronavirus from:
Columbia Sun RV Resort
Intuit/Turbo Tax
AMA model airplane club
The Exchange
State Farm ins (3)
White House (Many)
Ace Hardware
SiriusXM
OTR Mobile
Consumer Cellular
Southwest Airlines
National Financial Services LLC
The Everett Clinic
Earnhardt CDJR
Verde Ranch RV Resort
and
Our current RV Resort.
and maybe some I missed.

Chris

At least that many and much more has come across my email. If anyone in the world ever had my email they are now using it. A lot of time the message is the same; "stay safe but we will be here if you need us, or need to lighten your wallet a bit"

bob

[Northofu1]

Something to think about, it's quite interesting. Could never happen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU9FVqwO4TM

[Snoking]

Danny, Sen. Marsha Blackburn's complaint is a result of how our style of capitalism works in America. We are now a Corporatocracy, and no one seemed to care as this transition occurred over the last 30-40 years. Some have predicted that this was not going to end well! Guess what!

[jsmith948]

Well - I'll run the risk of censure by the "Site Team". I think your statement about people "using my (your) money via welfare/food stamps to make sure I (you) can't have mil, bread, toilet paper, water etc." is just a little out there. Don't look now, but your prejudice is showing. Just sayin'

[sourdough]

No risk of censure here. You, like I, are entitled to our opinions. If you refer to "prejudice" as in biased - I am. I live it and watch it every day - I do the shopping. I will say my choice of wording could have probably been better; don't know that anyone is buying anything to "make sure" others don't have something - it just popped out that way and I don't proof read generally (might have to start ).

The "Site Team" works very hard to let everyone voice their opinions and just try to steer things in the right direction. To that end I have edited my post.

[RET.LEO]

In all honesty you're "roaming" is only adding to the problem. What if you are one of the ones who has the virus without symptoms. Your "roaming" will spread the virus to how many more people?
Time to take individual responsibility to help insure the safety of others. Grab a place and stay there or best yet.....stay at home.
Sacrifice a little now or pay the devil later.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by RET.LEO

In all honesty you're "roaming" is only adding to the problem. What if you are one of the ones who has the virus without symptoms. Your "roaming" will spread the virus to how many more people?
Time to take individual responsibility to help insure the safety of others. Grab a place and stay there or best yet.....stay at home.
Sacrifice a little now or pay the devil later.

If you are referencing my comments; In all honesty I will roam where I want when I want to get food when there is none on the shelves at the store - along with the hundreds upon hundreds of other folks there. As long as there are those that are afraid that the world is ending, buying up everything they can find in the store to leave nothing for those that are trying to be responsible....you have to do something. Watched a lady yesterday in a Walmart with 2 grocery basket filled to overflowing buying anything and everything she could.....because most of the shelves were empty. As I waited, impatiently, for what seemed like an hour while they checked her out, they finally brought another person over that continually gathered up foodstuffs that she was trying to check out and took them off because she was trying to hoard items....good on Walmart.

My wife and I live alone, we visit virtually no one, so I am the one that's going to get exposed not vice versa. IF we had been doing what I normally do just prior to this "event" my pantry would have been stocked full, I would have had enough paper goods to last 6 mos. etc. but DW had insisted we use it all down and not restock....so here I am. I even tried placing orders to go pick up.....they don't even bring anything out because they don't have the items. So, I'm not sure what your answer is for you, but for me, I'll do what I have to do.

[jimborokz]

Well, we are at our winter holdup in GA. We had planned to spend Easter in SC with our grand daughter but it looks like that is going to be out. Right now our county just north of Atlanta is ranked no. two in the state and NY is pretty much closed down, along with IL, CA and Conn. Last week I joked it may be till Aug before we get home but now that is looking more real. We had planned to head home 1st of May. All is up in the air. Fortunately we are at a private location and will just stay here till this passes. We are keeping distance from all, attending church online and shopping only for groceries. We eat out a bit but only order online and pick up in the drive through. Two of our three kids are teachers and schools are all closed and all three are working online from home. All this may seem extreme but I just saw that 800 died in Italy yesterday. If we can avoid that these measures will seem reasonable.
many of us are in the high risk, upper age category so be smart.
I'll just say, stay isolated, stay safe.

[TG10894]

LOL! If I had any extra, I would paper some trees with it.

[TG10894]

As of 3/22, we are back home in SC. We were in a beautiful park in Bradenton (Cortez), FL when we decided to leave. They had closed the beaches, restaurants, and bars. That was ok, but what clinched it was getting word that some RV parks had been closed in the keys by local authorities because "they wanted to move the tourist out" of the area. We did not want to get caught in a max exodus, so we decided to leave on our own terms. I did not wanted to be trapped in an area if someone in my family elsewhere got sick and needed help, or if I got sick and could get out. My wife would rather bury me than try to pull a trailer with my truck.

Thanks for all of the input, and please take this seriously. Italy had nearly 900 people die yesterday. The trajectory on this is still unknown, but comparisons to the standard flu are misguided. Many people have some level of immunity to the flu. This will eventually impact nearly everyone on the planet. It has nearly stopped the world in only 3-4 months.

[RET.LEO]

Originally Posted by sourdough

If you are referencing my comments; In all honesty I will roam where I want when I want to get food when there is none on the shelves at the store - along with the hundreds upon hundreds of other folks there. As long as there are those that are afraid that the world is ending, buying up everything they can find in the store to leave nothing for those that are trying to be responsible....you have to do something. Watched a lady yesterday in a Walmart with 2 grocery basket filled to overflowing buying anything and everything she could.....because most of the shelves were empty. As I waited, impatiently, for what seemed like an hour while they checked her out, they finally brought another person over that continually gathered up foodstuffs that she was trying to check out and took them off because she was trying to hoard items....good on Walmart.

My wife and I live alone, we visit virtually no one, so I am the one that's going to get exposed not vice versa. IF we had been doing what I normally do just prior to this "event" my pantry would have been stocked full, I would have had enough paper goods to last 6 mos. etc. but DW had insisted we use it all down and not restock....so here I am. I even tried placing orders to go pick up.....they don't even bring anything out because they don't have the items. So, I'm not sure what your answer is for you, but for me, I'll do what I have to do.

I was referring to the original poster...maybe you didn't read it? LOL!!!
As far as your comment "My wife and I live alone, we visit virtually no one, so I am the one that's going to get exposed not vice versa"
That's only half correct. As soon as you come into proximity of a infected person or a place where a infected person has touched depending on the material it could be three days. You or the other person may not have any symptoms but the risk of catching it from each other is the same.
If as you were at Walmart with "along with the hundreds upon hundreds of other folks there" then you have potentially been exposed to it by each person you came into proximity with and everything that they touched that you touch also. That's just the way pandemics work.
As far as being afraid..... there's no point. I survived 17 years L.E. Hit by a car, 11 surgeries, two strokes, heart surgery. I was born with a compromised immune system so I hit all the boxes. I know that I am at higher risk of getting it but the other side of the coin is if I'm exposed I am at higher risk of passing it.
I'm fortunate that I have kids that will shop for me if needed along with a couple of other neighbors who we have agreed to provide food for each other if one gets the virus.
Common sense, planning for the possible worse if needed and time......this too will pass.

[sourdough]

I agree that we all need to follow requested protocols for slowing down this virus. What we don't need to do, but many, if not most are, is getting hysterical about it cleaning out stores etc. Talked to a store manager yesterday and she just grinned wryly and said "these folks come in here and clean out the shelves to hoard then complain because there's nothing in the store". They are stocking more than they have before, with more trucks coming per week, but can't keep up because people are being silly.

In another vein; for those inclined to "go off the deep end buying up food stuffs", keep this in mind (I know it has been said not to compare this to influenza but not sure why we shouldn't at this point) - in 2018 there were 61,000 US deaths due to influenza (cdc). Covid-19 has caused 323 thus far (thru Sat.). To just be as dangerous as influenza it has really got to get a LOT worse than it has been so far. Those with symptoms from the illness totaled 45,000,000 in 2018, 32,356 so far with this.

Yes, we don't have a vaccine which is worrisome and could be extremely problematic in the future if we don't take precautions to keep from spreading it, but, at this moment in time, it has not devastated this population nor caused a reason for anyone to empty a grocery store. I will say this; just went out to a small, rural, abandoned community outside town the other day (alone, in the boonies). Toured the graveyard; entire families were buried side by side; babies, mom/dad, teens. Found out it was a flu epidemic in 1918. So, if we don't have a means to fight this thing we have to do everything we can to prevent the spread. Then, if the worst happens, do what we do and persevere. Here is a link that might be interesting to some - it was to me after touring that graveyard -

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...emic-h1n1.html

[ctbruce]

No one can definitively say how Covid-19 is spread. Therefore, your only option is to do everything to protect yourself and social distance at approximately 6 feet. Just walking into Walmart, even if someone is positive there, would not automatically infect you. You would have to come into contact with them or into contact with something else they touched. Then introduce that touch to your mucous membranes (eyes, nose, mouth).

So......wash your hands with soap and water for 20 seconds, don't pick your nose without washing before and after, don't touch your face without washing your hands first.

[rodgebone]

sourdough

Of course the coronavirus "pandemic" may explode but just for reference;

Per the CDC; for the 2018-2019 year influenza stats were 35.5M getting sick with influenza, 16.5M going to a healthcare provider, 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths. This is a similar trend from previous years.

For coronavirus there have been 2,950 documented cases and 60 deaths. These are all U.S. numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronaviru...ry?id=69602911

First quarter of 2020 is almost gone. If we take the above numbers and multiply them by 4 (a year) the numbers we would get for coronavirus are dwarfed, REALLY dwarfed by those of influenza yet the world is not tipping over on its ear, folks being quarantined, panic in the streets etc. Influenza has been with us decades and we deal with it - the same should go for coronavirus instead of this unwarranted, knee jerk panic. For coronavirus to have an impact like influenza it would have to EXPLODE exponentially many times over from the current rate - and then only be on a par with influenza...which we think nothing about. Hmmm, I wonder what IS actually driving this "insanity"....??

i couldnt agree more. the common flu is WAY worse. this is all due to media sensationalism causing people to panic creating knee jerk policy from govt officials. it will get worse in the coming months but i doubt it will infect or kill as many as the common flu does every year. this irresponsible and unwarranted reporting