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09-24-2020, 03:11 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Duluth
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Backup Camera for 36' Springdale
Want to install a WIFI Wireless backup camera on my TT. Since my tow vehicle is a RAM 2500 fourdoor, the distance from the back of the trailer to where the monitor will be is about 45'. The one I have now is lousy at best - keeps breaking up and such.
In reading specs about wireless cameras, they say "good" reception up to 50' without obstruction. Not good enough in my opinion.
Would any of y'all give me a good hint as to brand and model of a camera system that will "make the grade"?
I will certainly appreciate it. If you want to keep the info private, just leave a private message for me.
Thanks in advance
Fred
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09-24-2020, 04:15 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Modesto
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What do you have now? I have installed Furrion cameras, walked at least 50 feet away and get a clear picture.
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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09-25-2020, 10:32 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Muskegon
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Our 5er is 32" pulled by a crew cab. I have this unit in my opinion it works great and like it. Rear View Safety RVS-155W Wireless Backup Camera
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07 GMC CC LB dually LBZ, Idaho Rob EFI, DeeZee boards, 50 gal TransferFlow inbed tank
05 32' Montana Mountaineer 5th wheel 2 slides
1941 Ford cpe 454/700R4
1917 T roadster 270 Hemi/4 spd
34' car trailer w/63" semi sleeper on the front
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09-25-2020, 12:19 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Milwaukie, OR
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Jeff & Sandi (and Teddy - 7lb Schnorkie)
2018 Montana High Country 305RL
2015 RAM 3500 Crew Cab 4x4 DRW
Demco Recon Hitch on RAM Puck Ball
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09-25-2020, 02:07 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Mico, TX
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One of the wikipedias of RV on this forum talked me into installed a WIRED rear view camera (I can see tailgaters and what I am about to back into as well) after I tried THREE (3) wireless set ups. I have a PERFECT PICTURE when going over bridges and going by shopping centers and there is no flicker or delay. It does mean crawling under the trailer to run the wire and I have a connector up in the king pin area that I connect right next to my 7 pin in the bed of my truck. I run the black wire up on the rear in while D channel.
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wiredgeorge Mico TX
2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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09-25-2020, 02:22 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Joppa, MD
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A "wifi camera system" would require a wifi network. I bought a wired system from rvcams.com 9 years ago and it's still going strong. No interference, great picture quality day and night, and has a microphone. With the sound I can hear an emergency vehicle coming from behind as well as hear the DW when backing.
It wasn't cheap (as in cost) but it isn't made cheaply either. Camera is in a metal enclosure and it's very durable.
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Marshall
2012 Laredo 303 TG
2010 F250 LT Super Cab, long bed, 4X4, 6.4 Turbo Diesel
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09-25-2020, 02:41 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Windsor
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Tried a wireless, with poor results.
Purchased an RVS wired camera and now I can always look back.
Camera on the back of the trailer and I added a 2nd camera to the Center High mount lens above the bed that looks into the bed. Great for rear view while driving without the trailer and makes hitching a breeze.
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2018 F150 EcoBoost FX4 Lariat Max-Tow and Heavy Duty Payload Package
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09-25-2020, 08:18 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Mico, TX
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Here is a thread I started while going through the same questions about a rear view camera system:
https://www.keystoneforums.com/forum...ad.php?t=40594
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wiredgeorge Mico TX
2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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09-26-2020, 07:20 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Gaylord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by popsshopga
Want to install a WIFI Wireless backup camera on my TT. Since my tow vehicle is a RAM 2500 fourdoor, the distance from the back of the trailer to where the monitor will be is about 45'. The one I have now is lousy at best - keeps breaking up and such.
In reading specs about wireless cameras, they say "good" reception up to 50' without obstruction. Not good enough in my opinion.
Would any of y'all give me a good hint as to brand and model of a camera system that will "make the grade"?
I will certainly appreciate it. If you want to keep the info private, just leave a private message for me.
Thanks in advance
Fred
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There is a "SIGNIFICANT" obstruction between the location of the camera and the location of the receiver in the tow vehicle. Hitch your trailer, then walk back about 100' to the side and look at the "direct line" from the antenna on the camera mount and the location of the receiver in the truck cab. You'll see about 35' of "solid obstruction" between the two. Your trailer roof, rafters, interior walls, wiring, appliances, front cap with aluminumized bubble wrap will all act as a "signal breaker" between the two points.
There are "signal repeaters" available for most wireless camera brands that may help improve the reception. Typically, they mount about midway between the two points and boost the signal that's being "degraded by RV blocking the signal"...
The "ultimate solution" for weak signals is a hardwire system... As previously posted, the RVS wired camera system is reliable and not difficult to install. Mine has been in 3 tow vehicles and on two fifth wheels, is 11 years old and still going strong.
Anyway, IMHO, your problem is that you have a substantial "solid object" between the camera antenna and the receiver in your truck.
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John
2015 F250 6.7l 4x4
2014 Cougar X Lite 27RKS
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09-26-2020, 09:21 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Mico, TX
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"The "ultimate solution" for weak signals is a hardwire system... As previously posted, the RVS wired camera system is reliable and not difficult to install. Mine has been in 3 tow vehicles and on two fifth wheels, is 11 years old and still going strong."
Not difficult to install is a metric directly proportional to the age and obesity of the installer. It also depends on the surface below the trailer with difficulty scale from 1 to 10 with road base being a 1 and down pillow being a 10.
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wiredgeorge Mico TX
2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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09-26-2020, 10:32 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Gaylord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wiredgeorge
"The "ultimate solution" for weak signals is a hardwire system... As previously posted, the RVS wired camera system is reliable and not difficult to install. Mine has been in 3 tow vehicles and on two fifth wheels, is 11 years old and still going strong."
Not difficult to install is a metric directly proportional to the age and obesity of the installer. It also depends on the surface below the trailer with difficulty scale from 1 to 10 with road base being a 1 and down pillow being a 10.
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I can't do much about someone else's obesity, but to address the "surface below the trailer"... They are mobile, can be pulled to a "soft grass site" or even a concrete surface where a "nice cardboard box" or a "creeper with a cushioned headrest" can be used to "offset the difficulty scale"......
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John
2015 F250 6.7l 4x4
2014 Cougar X Lite 27RKS
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09-26-2020, 10:43 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Markham, Ontario
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LOL
I have the hard wired RVS. Went from one TV to another, then a travel trailer to a 5er.
It works great and any issues are dealt with quickly by the company. I had an issue down east with a pig tail and when I got home from the trip, there was a box waiting for me with a complete set of wiring and a new pig tail. I ran my wire through plastic wire loom first, it was probably the hardest part.
I am obese and had no problem with it
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2019 GMC SIERRA 2500 HD SLE
2015 Cougar X-Lite 29 RET
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09-26-2020, 12:51 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,664
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I have the Furrion Observation camera with both side cameras. My fifth wheel is 41.5 feet long, my total length is a few inches shy of 60 feet. My Furrion works well for me. It also has quite a range, it's never failed, and I've never had any black-out moments in 2 years now.
The only downside with this Furrion, it displays all 3 views for only a few seconds and then the side views disappear and you see only the rear. You have to touch the screen again to get all 3 cameras active again. But the rear view is always displayed.
Before I purchased mine, I did some extensive research and I stumbled into a YouTube video where a guy demonstrated the image displayed almost 300 feet from the trailer. I tested mine at 150 feet and it worked just fine.
Not everyone likes the Furrion system, but I've got no beef with it. Like everything else RV related, there are compromises in everything. The benefits out weigh the disadvantages, and the ability to learn how something works and how to, either get around, understand, or manipulate it's quirkiness is part of it. It's a matter of how much one is willing to adapt to something new.
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2014 Chevy Duramax HD 6.6 - 3500 Diesel Dully Long bed Crew Cab
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09-26-2020, 04:24 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Duluth
Posts: 30
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Thanks guys for all the info. Ordered a "wired" camera setup today. That seems to be the best option. I understand that stringing the wires are going to be a pain, but I have a son that will be going under the trailer.
fred
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09-27-2020, 02:30 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Mico, TX
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Fred, I was pretty much kidding John who was the one who convinced me to go wired after I had tried several cheap wireless set ups. I had also tried using a stick-on antenna that sat on top the roof and another on top the cab of my truck. The results were very spotty and using less expensive wireless also meant that the pride of Chinese craftsmanship failed quickly.
Stringing the wire under the camper is actually not hard; we have eight dogs so when our Chewy boxes come each month there are about enough to break down and use under my camper to slide on. I did a write up in the thread I posted and the only "challenge" was fishing the wire lead between the fiberglass and backing up near and into the king pin structure. I built a small bracket that I screwed onto the king pin and this is where the coiled pigtail that connects to the truck was tacked on. I cut a small hole in the bed of the truck for the connector that the pigtail connects to right next to the 7 pin connector. I leave the coiled cable in the king pin enclosure with the campers electrical cord when not used and they stay dry and out of the elements. Has worked very well. Where the coax comes out the back of the trailer, I looped up the excess and wired tied it up and then ran the coax up the back corner of my fifth wheel's rear and hid it in white self-stick channel all the say to the camera. I can now see vehicles to my rear clearly and it is especially useful for spotting tailgaters and when backing up/parking.
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wiredgeorge Mico TX
2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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10-04-2020, 07:23 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Minneapolis
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You might want to consider just getting a used wifi router and using it as a bridge. They are just about free used.
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10-04-2020, 12:05 PM
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Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 40
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Camera
I own a Voyager wireless camera system on my 36’ 5th wheel. Picks it up 1/4 mile away. They can be pricey, but they work, night or day, rain or shine.
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10-05-2020, 05:04 AM
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Duluth
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Wiredgeorge, great info. Thanks
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10-05-2020, 06:17 AM
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Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 40
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The Voyager WVOS43 has a 1/4mile range. I know because I own one. Easy pairing.
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10-05-2020, 10:41 AM
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Duluth
Posts: 30
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Problem solved
Thanks guys and gals for all the super information.
I purchased a wired system that includes two inputs - one for the trailer and one for the truck.
Installation was "easy" and works great. Tried it out on last weekend's camping trip.
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