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06-15-2014, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkS
What? You guys are talking about two different filters. The particulate filter is in the exhaust. It is supposed to catch diesel exhaust soot.
K&N makes air filters for the air intake.
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We know. Kiwi2000 said that he was going to install a k and n and replace the dpf. Just getting information out there that he may want to research before he buys one. See his post above.
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06-15-2014, 05:08 PM
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Yes the K&N has caused many problems with diesels (according to info I have read). I use K&N on all of my other vehicles, but I have left my diesel stock. If I was ever going to change it, I would probably go with Banks, they know diesels.
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06-20-2014, 04:54 AM
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I was mainly referring in my reply to billb800si comment
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The Particulate Filter may be great for the environment but it's a pain in the A$$ for the owner. You never know when it's going into it's "clean out" cycle and smoke comes pouring out of the exhaust.
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about the particulate filter that he can simply remove it and the electronics and sensors that go with it.
The truck will still run and if he were to replace the exhaust system at the same time and upgrade the output diameter it would run better.
The addition of an aftermarket airfilter of whatever brand will allow for additional airflow and improved power and fuel economy.
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06-20-2014, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by kiwi2000
I was mainly referring in my reply to billb800si comment about the particulate filter that he can simply remove it and the electronics and sensors that go with it........
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The truck will still run and if he were to replace the exhaust system at the same time and upgrade the output diameter it would run better.The addition of an aftermarket airfilter of whatever brand will allow for additional airflow and improved power and fuel economy.
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Do that and you void your truck warranty immediately. Trust me the computer will know as soon as you bypass a sensor and the dealer will know when he reads the codes..
In regard to replacing the exhaust system that's an expensive way to by pass the particulator. When the particulator kicks in you'll see a ton black smoke exiting your tailpipe and loss of power. That loss of power is scary when pulling 9,000# of trailer down the road (esp in the mountains).
Just my thoughts,
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06-20-2014, 05:12 AM
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I don't see any black smoke from my exhaust during the filter cleaning cycle or any other time for that matter... Those days are gone.
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06-20-2014, 06:09 AM
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Do that and you void your truck warranty immediately.
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Yes I understand and would not be considering replacing anything while under warranty. But when the warranty is up and or anything relating to the particulate sensor and cleaning needs to be replaced I would go to straight pipes.
An acquaintance with a similar truck to mine did just that. Although I have not checked he informed me that just the parts alone relating to the sensor cleaning within the exhaust system from Ford cost the same as installing an entire new exhaust system including installation of a performance chip and the much discussed K & N filter.
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06-20-2014, 02:16 PM
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After having owned both, I personally prefer diesel. More power, better MPG, more power, longer lasting, more power, a lot more fun to drive....... Did I mention more power? Seriously though, if your going to drive at least 30 min highway every day (assuming it's also your daily driver) and tow your camper several times a year, diesel is the way to go. If you drive mostly city for our daly commute and tow once a year then it's not worth it. Diesel trucks shine on the highway under stress or load. I drive a lot of highway for work sometimes and I tow my camper whenever I get the chance to go somewhere for the weekend and for my one week vacations. My old 2wd '99 gasser was 13-15 highway (empty) and 5-8 towing. My '10 4wd diesel gets 20-22 highway (empty) and 12-15 towing. Just my two cents.
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06-22-2014, 01:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hankpage
I don't know about the new ones. But on my Cummins, K & N didn't meet the filtration requirements for the engine. Be sure to check if they have improved. I have always used them for my gassers but there is a big difference between a 14 to 1 ratio gas and a 80+ to 1 diesel. JMHO, Hank
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K & N are quite clear on their own website that most of their filters are around 96% efficient.
With living two miles off the paved road on dirt, and knowing that there are plenty of good quality paper filters that claim/are tested-certified for 99%, I can't justify letting 4% of the crud I find on my filters when I change them, to pass into any engine! gas or diesel.
Do as you please, but that mixed with people over-oiling filters and sucking oil into turbos which then attracts and retains even more dirt where it shouldn't be...
I won't install a K & N and if I buy a truck with one installed, I toss it in the garbage.
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06-22-2014, 03:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billb800si
...When the particulator kicks in you'll see a ton black smoke exiting your tailpipe and loss of power. That loss of power is scary when pulling 9,000# of trailer down the road (esp in the mountains).
Just my thoughts,
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Something is wrong with your truck. ^^
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Originally Posted by Javi
I don't see any black smoke from my exhaust during the filter cleaning cycle or any other time for that matter... Those days are gone.
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This ^
I have NEVER seen any smoke or loss of power with my 07 6.7 CTD. Unless idling, I can't even tell when regen is happening.
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06-29-2014, 07:57 AM
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Just curious
AdkWoody wrote;
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My '10 4wd diesel gets 20-22 highway (empty) and 12-15 towing.
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My 2010 F 250 4wd diesel gets 15 highway empty and 10 maybe when towing and that is going 55 mph as well. It has just been serviced by Ford (no codes), and had both fuel filters changed.
What model of 10 brand truck do you have?
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06-29-2014, 09:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdkWoody
... My '10 4wd diesel gets 20-22 highway (empty) and 12-15 towing. Just my two cents.
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no it doesn't
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06-29-2014, 06:37 PM
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Heck. Mine gets close to 20 empty and 13-15 towing.
Course that is using Imperial gallons......
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06-29-2014, 07:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdkWoody View Post
... My '10 4wd diesel gets 20-22 highway (empty) and 12-15 towing. Just my two cents.
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Originally Posted by SAD
no it doesn't
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My '04 does and got 2mpg more when we could get real fuel.
My '94 did even better empty but at 160hp it only got 12-13 towing but then again that was before they started playing with fuel mixtures.
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07-09-2014, 09:22 AM
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Not sure how some of you determine full usage, and MPG..
on nice flat ground doing 60MPH i can get 20MPG (2012 RAM 2500 4x4 crew w/ Cummings 4.10 gears)
Last time i drove to Michigan from the Cincinnati area i averaged 17.4MPG and had the crews set between 65 and 73 most of the way.
We tow a 9,850lbs boat trailer from Cincinnati to Noris twice a year through the southern ky northern Tn mountains and round around 65mph and get at best 14mpg.
Haven't towed the 5th enough to get a good read on it, but it seems to do about the same so i'd expect to get 13.5 - 14mph on a long highway stretch running around 65mph
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07-09-2014, 09:39 AM
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...so i'd expect to get 13.5 - 14mph on a long highway stretch running around 65mph
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If you get 13.5-14 pulling a 5th wheel at 65 mph (on ANY terrain) I will be VERY surprised.
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07-09-2014, 10:13 AM
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If you get 13.5-14 pulling a 5th wheel at 65 mph (on ANY terrain) I will be VERY surprised.
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SURPRISE! Towing up and down the east coast from NJ to central FL for the last twenty years (two different trucks) I have never averaged below 13.2mpg (usually between 14 -14.5) and I run at 65mph when conditions and limits allow. I calculate at the pump and log every tank of fuel I use. The TV plays a big part (2wd and 3:73) but so does the right foot of the driver. JM2˘, Hank
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07-09-2014, 10:52 AM
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ENJOY THE SURPRISE! I DO 13-15 TOWING AND I NEVER GO FASTER THAN MAY ANGLE CAN FLY V-MAX IS 60!
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07-10-2014, 04:03 AM
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Started with a 2005 Ram Megacab with a diesel Cummins 5.9 L pulling a 2007 Jayco Eagle 322FKS trailer, always got in the 10 MPG range. Then stepped up to a 2007 Ram Megacab with the 6.7L Cummins and still got 10 MPG. Then started pulling a 2014 Cougar High Country 321RES and - YEP still got 10 MPG...
And that's pulling a trailer all over the USA and Eastern half of Canada...
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07-10-2014, 04:21 PM
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I've had two 2011 duramax trucks, 2500 and 3500 DRW, both got 19-22 hwy empty at 65 and both get 10-13 towing the 5er at 65. Both dropped about 2 mpg at 70, and dropped considerably at 75+, down to about 14 empty at 80.
My dad has an 06 dmax and his numbers are about the same, he can get a little better empty 20-24, but loses a bit towing 10-11.
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