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Old 04-20-2021, 03:20 PM   #21
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Just an observation .....

The last time I looked stores still sell tents, RV manufacturers and dealers still sell pop ups and I see plenty of both in the campgrounds I've been in. Seems like a lot of to do about nothing.

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Old 04-20-2021, 04:15 PM   #22
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"Seems like a lot of to do about nothing"
Marshall, the three major RV parks in the area we stay in Wisconsin won't even allow tents anymore. Not even to let the kids sleep in over the week-end. And RV parks all across the country won't allow any RV's over 10-15 years old. I'm not sure where we're going with this as a country. The campgrounds seem to be staying with the tents/pop-ups but the RV parks shying away from them. It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack.
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Old 04-21-2021, 06:17 AM   #23
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"Seems like a lot of to do about nothing"
Marshall, the three major RV parks in the area we stay in Wisconsin won't even allow tents anymore. Not even to let the kids sleep in over the week-end. And RV parks all across the country won't allow any RV's over 10-15 years old. I'm not sure where we're going with this as a country. The campgrounds seem to be staying with the tents/pop-ups but the RV parks shying away from them. It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack.
You're so right, Jim.....

In "times long past" there were RV's and places to park them (called campgrounds).. Then along came the "Airstream parks" in the 50's and the "RV Resorts" in the 60's. Those were typically in southern California and Arizona/New Mexico and catered to the snowbirds. In the 70's, many of those Resorts started marketing to "the affluent" who could afford to buy a lot in the Resort that could be "rented out when not used by the owner"...

As that "landscape changed from commercial to privately owned" the owners didn't want to be parked next to a "trashy looking trailer" so they pushed the developers to impose restrictions (strictly to keep the riff raff out)... As the years progress, the rules keep getting more stringent.

Now, we've got "classes of RV parking" that range from "organized chaos" (think about a casino parking lot on Friday night) to exclusive resorts that cater to "million dollar motorhomes" (think about Las Vegas Motorcoach Resort) in which a small lot ranges from $125K to $500K (there's one lot listed for $1 million) and include a "locked, owner's only (no renters allowed) clubhouse with an exclusive elevator to the observation deck and owner's bar located above the card rooms and private kitchen/entertainment facilities, reserved for property owner's exclusive use.....

Yep, the days of "buying a camper and mingling with other campers along the way" has changed quite a bit over the years.... I'm not so sure that it's all "for the better" but then I don't own a 2 million dollar "all electric" luxury motorhome and need to stay away from the "common people who populate the run of the mill campgrounds"....

I suppose people like Elvis, Springsteen, Pelosi and others can't just show up at Mill Creek KOA and expect to be "safe, secure and shielded from the riff raff"

So, there has "evolved" a set of "campgrounds" that cater to those people who have their "driver take the motorhome to the resort and set it up, then go to the local hotel to stay while they "fly in for the weekend (in their private jet) and on Monday, the driver returns to take the motorhome to the next "campground" for them.......

Yes, there are some "exclusive requirements in some places that simply won't let a family with a Keystone fifth wheel and a tent so the kids can sleep outside like Mom and Dad used to do when their parents took them "camping back in the 60's"...

Times, they sure have changed... I'm still unsure if it is "for the better".....
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Old 04-21-2021, 06:49 AM   #24
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Well I guess I don't go to the affluent RV Resorts because I still see plenty of entry level campers like popups and tent site in the campgrounds that we frequent. The most common trend I see is campgrounds adding cabins to their inventory and charging some premium prices for rentals.
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Old 04-21-2021, 02:36 PM   #25
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[QUOTE=JRTJH;445110]You're so right, Jim.....

I suppose people like Elvis, Springsteen, Pelosi and others can't just show up at Mill Creek KOA and expect to be "safe, secure and shielded from the riff raff"

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Wow!!! What the heck has Elvis got to do with this? He’s been dead for 44 years. And I doubt very much that Pelosi (The House Speaker) would go camping. If you have to complain about something at least make it RELEVANT! Sour grapes don’t taste good.

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Old 04-21-2021, 03:16 PM   #26
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You're so right, Jim.....

I suppose people like Elvis, Springsteen, Pelosi and others can't just show up at Mill Creek KOA and expect to be "safe, secure and shielded from the riff raff"

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Wow!!! What the heck has Elvis got to do with this? He’s been dead for 44 years. And I doubt very much that Pelosi (The House Speaker) would go camping. If you have to complain about something at least make it RELEVANT! Sour grapes don’t taste good.

Happy Camping.
I didn't realize we were so close to another full moon.... Anyway, change the names to Madona, Britney Spears and "your own hero" is it blows your skirt up any better....

As for complaining: Nope, just stating facts about how camping has changed... It's my "view" not yours, but if you agree, welcome aboard, if you disagree, I suppose that's "peachy as well"...

As for "sour grapes"... Nope, I was just telling it the way I see that camping over the past 60-70 years has turned away from "one big happy community that gets along to "subdivided populations who choose not to associate with other parts of the same lifestyle"... Next time you're in Las Vegas, stop by 8175 Arville St and try to get in.

Perhaps you misread what I posted or the intended message ???
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Old 04-21-2021, 08:34 PM   #27
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I didn't realize we were so close to another full moon....


As a matter of fact the next full moon will occur on Monday, April 26 at 11:31 p.m. EDT. That’s 5 days away!

One should always think before speaking. But quite frankly, it is disturbing when a “site team member” becomes so aggressive. This comment was un-called for: Anyway, change the names to Madona, Britney Spears and "your own hero" is it blows your skirt up any better....”. I still fail to see what these people have to do with camping. It’s not like they will pop up at a camp ground.

I thought that we were here for the fun. Not to fight and argue. But remember when coffee was 10 cents a cup and a phone call was 5 cents? That has changed, it’s called “evolution”. That has happened to camping too.
As for the change in the camping community, perhaps you are visiting the wrong camp grounds. I have met a lot of very nice and friendly people on my travels and we have always been able to get along. Maybe one day I will run into you and we can chat.
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Old 04-22-2021, 03:10 AM   #28
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I didn't realize we were so close to another full moon....


As a matter of fact the next full moon will occur on Monday, April 26 at 11:31 p.m. EDT. That’s 5 days away!

One should always think before speaking. But quite frankly, it is disturbing when a “site team member” becomes so aggressive. This comment was un-called for: Anyway, change the names to Madona, Britney Spears and "your own hero" is it blows your skirt up any better....”. I still fail to see what these people have to do with camping. It’s not like they will pop up at a camp ground.

I thought that we were here for the fun. Not to fight and argue. But remember when coffee was 10 cents a cup and a phone call was 5 cents? That has changed, it’s called “evolution”. That has happened to camping too.
As for the change in the camping community, perhaps you are visiting the wrong camp grounds. I have met a lot of very nice and friendly people on my travels and we have always been able to get along. Maybe one day I will run into you and we can chat.
Wow man ..maybe take it down a notch.. I didn’t see any aggression on John’s part at all
I’m sure your a nice guy and I mean no disrespect but think you may have got it wrong on this one
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Old 04-22-2021, 06:33 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by JRTJH

I didn't realize we were so close to another full moon....


As a matter of fact the next full moon will occur on Monday, April 26 at 11:31 p.m. EDT. That’s 5 days away!

One should always think before speaking. But quite frankly, it is disturbing when a “site team member” becomes so aggressive. This comment was un-called for: Anyway, change the names to Madona, Britney Spears and "your own hero" is it blows your skirt up any better....”. I still fail to see what these people have to do with camping. It’s not like they will pop up at a camp ground.

I thought that we were here for the fun. Not to fight and argue. But remember when coffee was 10 cents a cup and a phone call was 5 cents? That has changed, it’s called “evolution”. That has happened to camping too.
As for the change in the camping community, perhaps you are visiting the wrong camp grounds. I have met a lot of very nice and friendly people on my travels and we have always been able to get along. Maybe one day I will run into you and we can chat.

OK, you've had your say. Now it's time to move along. I won't respond to your posts further. It's obvious you cherrypicked the parts you could use in a confrontational way and it serves no purpose to comment further.
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Old 04-26-2021, 04:01 AM   #30
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The wife and I paid $500 cash for a 1993 Skamper PUP a little over 3 years ago. We previously used a $100 walmart tent, and wanted to see if our kids would actually enjoy camping in the PUP. We let our kids help us "remodel" the PUP and used it a dozen times over the next year. I can't say cranking the PUP up and down each trip was fun, but I really appreciate the buttons on my TT!

Early last year we sold the PUP and went with our current TT. Enough can't be said for a shower, toilet, and bunkbeds for the kids. We have used our TT a dozen times over the past year and have 3 trips planned so far for this year. We will upgrade at some point, but it's not on the immediate horizon.

I may not be a "kid" anymore, but at age 43, I definitely appreciate the dollar, and the work needed to earn it. I started working when i was 14, and haven't stopped. I am by no means bragging, but I was extremely pleased to pay cash for my TV and TT. Yes, I could have financed both that were way nicer, but my TT and TV are what we need now. We are by no means wealthy, but we do pay off our CC's each month, have no car payments, and live within our means. I only say that for this reason: I hope by doing this i am teaching my kids responsible habits so they won't be "those kids" in 4 years when my daughter turns 13 and my son turns 12. God knows we have tried, but raising a kid with all the stuff going on politically, economically, etc. is no pancake.
I think your kids will do fine. You're giving them a good foundation to build on.
Our story was much like yours only 3 decades earlier. Our kids are where you are now, youngest turns 40 next year and of the three only one camps. Our 5th wheel is parked in her back yard right now. But when we are all around the fire pit on the 4th of July the conversation often gets around to those days when they were little and we were in our paid for $200 Sears pop-up at the state park with no hook ups. Their lives are all different now but they all remember the old days with fondness. It isn't the stuff they remember it's the togetherness of the family. I just sit there and listen and thank God for blessings.
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