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Originally Posted by BCBorn
You have all said math doesn't lie. This post started out with me asking for real world pre 2016 Passport 199ML UVW and TW weights with standard options (no battery, 2 Empty Propane Tanks and a manual Jack) as it was delivered.
You all said use 13% for tongue weight if the real numbers are not available.
Maximum Tacoma Payload 1000 lbs
Passport 199ML Factory Reported UVW 3571 lb.
Passport 199ML Factory Reported TW 335 lbs
Weighed Truck Payload Available with Canopy 530 lbs
Truck Payload Available without Canopy 700 lbs (guessing canopy is 170 lbs)
I have a total of 802 lbs of cargo, as I weighed and spread sheeted each and every piece. Lets say "I have everything including the kitchen sink" I have stuff I have never taken out of the trailer since owning it.
3571 + 802 = 4373 lbs (less battery and Propane Liquid)
4373 x 13% = 569 lb Estimated Tongue Weight (Factory TW 335 lbs) Leaves 234 lb for battery and propane liquid.
3571 + 802 + 569 = 4942 (Trailer GVW of 5200 lbs)
1000 - 530 - 569 = -99 lbs Over Payload Limit
Same Math 10% TW (Toyota Manual says 9% - 10%)
3571 + 802 = 4373 lbs (less battery and Propane Liquid)
4373 x 10% = 437 lb Estimated Tongue Weight (Factory 335 lbs) Leaves 102 lb for battery and propane liquid.
3571 + 802 + 437 = 4810 (Trailer GVW of 5200 lbs)
1000 - 530 - 437 = 33 lbs Under Payload Limit
Same Math 10% TW remove Canopy
3571 + 802 = 4373 lbs (less battery and Propane Liquid)
4373 x 10% = 437 lb Estimated Tongue Weight (Factory 335 lbs) Leaves 102 lb for battery and propane liquid.
3571 + 802 + 437 = 4810 (Trailer GVW of 5200 lbs)
1000 - 700 - 437 = 137 lbs under Payload Limit
These number does not take into account the transfer of TW from Weighed Rear Axle Weight to Front Axle with the use of Equalizer Bars.
Thanks for all your suggestions;
1) Buy a bigger truck
2) Remove Canopy from Truck
3) Dump the dual 6 volt batteries for a Lithium (-108 lbs)
4) Dump the two 30 lb Propane tanks, stay with the two 20 lb tanks (-32 lbs).
5) No one suggested don't take stuff you have never used.
By the way, NONE of the above suggestions were done with the Dutchman and it put me 10 lbs over payload.
The end result taking in your suggestions @13% TW with Canopy
-99 + 108 + 32 = 41 lbs Under Truck Payload Limit
The end result taking in your suggestions @13% TW without Canopy
-99 + 170 + 108 + 32 = 211 lbs Under Truck Payload Limit
The end result taking in your suggestions @10% TW with Canopy;
33 +108 + 32 = 173 lbs Under Truck Payload Limit
The end result taking in your suggestions @10% TW without Canopy;
33 + 170 +108 + 32 = 343 lbs Under Truck Payload Limit
I will pace an order for a tongue scale as suggested, no guess work.
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Just head to your local Cat scales, pay the $10 to weigh your truck loaded ready to camp, with &/or without the canopy, then subtract that number from the GVWR posted on the truck, that number is your actual available payload, no more guessing.
Then for a couple dollars more weigh the truck & your Dutchman with & without the WDH in play. Subtract the 2 GAWR weights for the actual tongue weight, no more guessing.
Maybe by spending that $12 you can finally understand what everyone has been trying to explain in the last 60 posts. I'm fairly certain you'll be surprised at the actual weights.