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mgreene
11-17-2020, 05:38 PM
So we have the new Springdale TT and purchase a used 13 Chevy 2500 with the integrated brake controller. In my prior TT with add on controls, I have been able to lock the brakes up when set on max or by completely maxing out the slide bar at slower speeds. That doesnít happen with this setup. I keep the output on 10 in my truck and the brakes are working, but I havenít locked a wheel up on the TT yet? Does this sound normal. Since this is the only trailer I have pulled with brakes with my new rig, if I have an issue, I have no clue if itís with the trailer or truck? Is there a way to test the output power from my truck to see if itís working right or is it possible the stock integration could be getting weak?Ē Any ideas? Thanks

Terry W.
11-17-2020, 07:17 PM
Here is just my personal opinion. My truck came a F250 came with a factory brake controller that never seemed to work correctly. I changed it out with and after market controller and much happier.

Brantlyj
11-17-2020, 07:27 PM
At least in Fords case the integrated controllers try very hard to not lock up the brakes.
To set mine I keep increasing until I can feel the trailer pulling down the truck when I brake at normal levels, then turn it down one.

mgreene
11-17-2020, 07:56 PM
I can feel the brakes working in normal braking conditions but since I have the system at max, I’m not sure? Hoping to head to the mountains near the end of the month and really want to be sure this is right!

Terry W.
11-17-2020, 08:42 PM
Again in my opinion use tow/haul it will help slow or hold back the down hill forces

mgreene
11-18-2020, 02:46 AM
Of course Terry, I always use the tow/haul option even if I’m only pulling my 12’ open trailer without brakes! I’m a little reluctant just because I’ve only had both a few months and haven’t had this rig in the hills unloaded, much less with a 35’ sled behind it!

wiredgeorge
11-18-2020, 04:39 AM
Here is just my personal opinion. My truck came a F250 came with a factory brake controller that never seemed to work correctly. I changed it out with and after market controller and much happier.


If you stop buy a Ford truck forum like Fordtrucks.com or powerstroke.org you will see many posts on folks fixing the controller. Some solder is involved. There are actually guys who fix them for a buck on CL. Mine works as it should after being fixed (previous owner did some soldering). Mine brakes will lock if I have the controller set too high. Keep it at 5 or so.

mgreene
11-18-2020, 05:57 AM
Have you seen any information concerning a 2500 Chevrolet like I have? I have looked but all the trouble I have found is with them quitting and not doing anything which is not my situation??

JimJan
11-18-2020, 06:24 AM
My 2011 Chevy 2500 with integrated controller would lock up my trailer brakes and skid the tires. However when I pulled my daughters trailer the braking was very weak.

First check that the brake shoes are properly adjusted.
If they are good and no grease has contaminated the shoes then try what I did.
I took the camper down a country road with no traffic at about 25 mph, with controller set at 10. I quickly moved the manual controller to maximum braking. For the first 4 or 5 tries there was minimal drag but eventually the braking became better and better. After about a dozen I was skidding the tires.

If you have a friend with a trailer, and known good braking, you could hook up and confirm your truck is working correctly also.

mgreene
11-18-2020, 06:37 AM
I was hoping there was some way of testing the truck without having to borrow a camper with the intention of trying to drag his tires down the road! I understand this is probably the easiest and may be my only way to really identify if I have a problem and which unit it is!

ChuckS
11-18-2020, 07:39 AM
With the newer trucks with IBC most won’t lock up the RV brakes if sitting still and manually engaging brakes

The IBC needs to detect motion and feedback from the vehicles anti skid system and computer management systems

I’d also lighten up that IBC setting to around 5 to 6 max...

If you have a MM, the skill sets, you can test the output of the IBC at 7 way plug on your truck

There are many articles out there with info on how to test and what measurements you should read

Sarge2
11-18-2020, 08:00 AM
My Ram 1500 did not come with the factory brake controller.. I purchased this one from etrailer..Tekonsha Prodigy P3 Trailer Brake Controller - 1 to 4 Axles - Proportional... bought the harness to fit my Ram pickup...I could tell it was working from the day I installed it..
Works extremely well and I have no real settings per se... it has g force sensor and a lot of built in features that eliminate a lot of hassle...kind of plug and play I know it will lock up the brakes as I had a rather close call on I475 in Flint Michigan.. came around a bend in the road at 55mph and there was a enclosed trailer sitting in the middle of my lane without a vehicle attached...
Didn't even have to touch the manual control..when I hit the truck brakes that controller applied the trailer brakes hard like locked and actually seemed to cycle them too... hauled the truck and trailer down so quickly I was shocked.. I kept waiting for the thud of someone running into me but it didn't happen.. thank God...

mgreene
11-18-2020, 08:06 AM
The times I have tested with the manual slide control I was running 20 plus mph and would fully operate the slide to the max position. It slows the trailer pretty good but no wheel lock. I will check the brake adjustment this weekend as well as look for some test procedures for the 7 pin and see what I find!

mgreene
11-18-2020, 08:17 AM
I had a similar controller on my 01 1/2 ton and never had any issues. I’ll do a little testing before ditching the factory stuff and adding my own controller!

08quadram
11-18-2020, 03:35 PM
My Ram has the ability for several settings for trailer size, type of break, etc. Don't know if that is an option on Chebby in 2013, but if so, settings may need adjusted. This is assuming your trailer breaks are properly adjusted.

travelin texans
11-18-2020, 06:49 PM
If you, or previous owner, ever used the EZ lube system to grease the wheel bearings then I'd pull the drums & be sure they aren't full of grease. Greasing the brakes is a maintenance item I would recommend not doing, LOL!
I would recommend NEVER use the EZ lube system! When bearings need packed hand packing only is your best option as it gives the opportunity to check the entire brake system, bearings, races & all other suspension components.

mgreene
11-20-2020, 12:17 PM
It doesn’t have the lubing hubs so unless grease got there from the factory, they should be fine but I’m planning to look at them this weekend. Haven’t really found a good test procedure without the proper tool, so I guess I’ll just try to do some voltage test this weekend as well. I know full braking should be 12volts or slightly above so I’ll see what I have??

Hblick48
11-20-2020, 12:39 PM
I don't know about the Chevy brake controller, but the Ford one does not send any voltage to the trailer brakes unless you are going at least 5 mph. I thought mine was broken until I read about this on one of the forums.

JRTJH
11-20-2020, 01:15 PM
It doesnít have the lubing hubs so unless grease got there from the factory, they should be fine but Iím planning to look at them this weekend. Havenít really found a good test procedure without the proper tool, so I guess Iíll just try to do some voltage test this weekend as well. I know full braking should be 12volts or slightly above so Iíll see what I have??

One of the "standard construction features" listed on the Keystone website and in the 2021 Springdale brochure is Dexterģ E-Z Lubeģ axles.

The center spindle cover usually has a removeable disc at the end of the cover that is removeable.

I'm surprised that your trailer doesn't have the Dexterģ E-Z Lube system.

mgreene
11-20-2020, 02:26 PM
I may have spoken to soon?? I know I haven’t add them and didn’t realize they were putting these on new units from the factory. I will definitely check that tomorrow and update!!

JRTJH
11-20-2020, 02:58 PM
I may have spoken to soon?? I know I havenít add them and didnít realize they were putting these on new units from the factory. I will definitely check that tomorrow and update!!

The EZ Lube system is not an "add on". The "bearing buddy" system (typically used on boat trailers is an "add on". The EZ Lube system is a "machined in part of the spindle/hub construction and is incorporated in the spindle/hub design during manufacturing.

mgreene
11-20-2020, 09:14 PM
Ok, thanks for the info. I was thinking it would be something similar to the buddy bearing we use to add. I’ve done a little searching and saw a fair amount of controversy in using them. Mostly looked like issues with folks putting way to much grease in them but I will search some more before deciding on using them or manually packing the bearings. Need to pull the hubs anyway to check for grease on the shoes!

skids
11-21-2020, 06:48 AM
I don't know about the Chevy brake controller, but the Ford one does not send any voltage to the trailer brakes unless you are going at least 5 mph. I thought mine was broken until I read about this on one of the forums.

I noticed that with my 2014 F150 ecob, on a slight downward grade while going very slow and truck in neutral, pinching the controller seemed to do nothing! Very confusing when you get more of a reaction when significantly rolling. How can that be a good thing?

skids
11-21-2020, 06:55 AM
Something else might be noteworthy. I previously had a Jayco 195RB that had one Dexter 3500 lb axle. Dexter reportedly claimed that the brakes were not capable of lockup on dry pavement. My Keystone Bullet has two of those axles.

LewisB
11-21-2020, 06:58 AM
Ok, thanks for the info. I was thinking it would be something similar to the buddy bearing we use to add. Iíve done a little searching and saw a fair amount of controversy in using them. Mostly looked like issues with folks putting way to much grease in them but I will search some more before deciding on using them or manually packing the bearings. Need to pull the hubs anyway to check for grease on the shoes!

While you are checking, see if you have the "forward brake adjusters" on your brakes (log on the the e-Trailer site and you can see the difference in appearance of the non vs auto adjusted setup).

Then check the brake adjustment. If this is a brand new trailer, the brakes may need to be manually adjusted (or some time for the auto-adjusters to do their thing).

travelin texans
11-21-2020, 08:40 AM
Ok, thanks for the info. I was thinking it would be something similar to the buddy bearing we use to add. Iíve done a little searching and saw a fair amount of controversy in using them. Mostly looked like issues with folks putting way to much grease in them but I will search some more before deciding on using them or manually packing the bearings. Need to pull the hubs anyway to check for grease on the shoes!

Due the crappy factory grease seals it's almost a given if you, or anyone else, pumps ANY grease into those zerks it'll find it's way into the drums.
There's a handful of folks that swear by the EZ lube system, but the majority swear at it, I'm in the 2nd group, will never use it.
Unless you travel a significant amount of miles every year an annual, or every other year, hand packing should be plenty & gives the opportunity to inspect the entire system.
I wouldn't pump any grease through the EZ lube any more often than you'd hand pack them, but some believe they need a couple shots of grease every time they take off, THEY DO NOT!

owen4it
11-22-2020, 09:05 AM
Iíve got the same truck and Iíve never skidded the tires on my fifth wheel! I pull out of the driveway and while rolling Iíll hit the manual trailer brakes to feel them just grab, I keep it adjusted to about 5. You donít want them to skid because if you panick stop or make a quick maneuver, the trailer could come out around you.

Hblick48
11-22-2020, 09:05 AM
I noticed that with my 2014 F150 ecob, on a slight downward grade while going very slow and truck in neutral, pinching the controller seemed to do nothing! Very confusing when you get more of a reaction when significantly rolling. How can that be a good thing?

I guess Ford thinks the tow vehicle brakes are sufficient at speeds less than 5 mph. Pinching the controller below 5 mph on mine does nothing.

JRTJH
11-22-2020, 10:37 AM
I guess Ford thinks the tow vehicle brakes are sufficient at speeds less than 5 mph. Pinching the controller below 5 mph on mine does nothing.

The reason for that feature is to help reduce the "chucking" in fifth wheel trailer towing in "slow moving stop and go traffic".... For me, it's a very welcome feature any time I'm on an interstate and there's an accident 4 or 5 miles ahead and all the traffic is "stop and go for miles and miles"....

jimborokz
11-23-2020, 04:42 AM
Have you tried pulling the breakaway switch and see if you can pull the trailer forward. That way you know the trailer brakes are adjusted properly and the issues is with the controller.

Northofu1
11-23-2020, 05:00 AM
Have you tried pulling the breakaway switch and see if you can pull the trailer forward. That way you know the trailer brakes are adjusted properly and the issues is with the controller.

I haven't done the skid test. I do have mine set until I can feel the trailer actually showing signs of pull on the truck, and it is quite easy to stop. I run mine at about 4.5 on the integrated controller. If I'm on a long trip I might set it at 5 due to extra cargo.
I would definitely check out Jim's thought (good call) anyway to ensure the breakaway switch is working.
It could be your brakes might need slight adjustment even though it's new.
Good luck :)

mgreene
11-23-2020, 06:10 AM
I am going to pull the hubs and check the brakes and check adjustments before taking any trips towards the hills. It does stop very well, but that is with my gain set to 10 so I’m hoping it’s just an adjustment issue!