TV Yellow Sticker

[Rick]

Hi!
I have a 2001 F-250 7.3 diesel. The only "yellow sticker" I can find anywhere is this-
https://i.vgy.me/zw9j8l.jpg

I also have this sticker-
https://i.vgy.me/rucaTf.jpg

Where can I get the info for the "yellow sticker"? VIN?

Thanks!

[sourdough]

Here are some generic numbers since I don't believe the "yellow" stickers with payload were being placed when your truck was built. After looking at these numbers they seem very suspect to me (low curb weight/high payload). The numbers transferred a little jumbled up and might be confusing. I am attaching a link to that page. You have to scroll way down to get to payload, curb weight etc. Again, I find the numbers suspect and figure they are just manufacturer "sales talk".

https://www.ford-trucks.com/specs/2001-2/2001-ford-super-duty-specifications/



Payload and Trailer Towing Weights
Model Max.GAWR (lbs.) Front/Rear Max. GVWR (lbs.) Max. GCWR (lbs.) Max. Trailer Weight (Conventional) Max. TrailerWeight (5th Wheel) Max. Payload
F-250 4×2 4850/6084 8800 20,000 10,000 14,500 3740
F-250 4×4 5200/6084 8800 20,000 10,000 14,000 3200
F-350 4×2 (SRW) 4850/6830 9900 20,000 10,000 14,400 4715
F-350 4×4 (SRW) 5200/6830 9900 20,000 10,000 14,000 4310
F-350 4×2 (DRW) (gas) 4850/8250 11,200 20,000 10,000 14,100 5780
F-350 4×4 (DRW) (gas) 5200/8250 11,200 20,000 10,000 13,700 5285
F-350 4×2 (DRW) (diesel) 4850/8250 11,500 20,000 10,000 13,600 5395
F-350 4×4 (DRW) (diesel) 5200/8250 11,500 20,000 10,000 13,200 4900
Base Curb Weight

Base Curb Weights — Pickups
Series
Model WB (in.) Pickup Box Cab Style Front (lbs.) Rear (lbs.) Total (lbs.)
Super Duty F-250 4×2 137.0 Styleside Regular Cab 2864 2194 5058
141.8 Styleside SuperCab 2992 2232 5224
156.2 Styleside Crew Cab 3144 2428 5572
158.0 Styleside SuperCab 3096 2346 5442
172.4 Styleside Crew Cab 3250 2491 5741
4×4 137.0 Styleside Regular Cab 3336 2264 5600
141.8 Styleside SuperCab 3385 2277 5662
156.2 Styleside Crew Cab 3534 2482 6016
158.0 Styleside SuperCab 3498 2395 5893
172.4 Styleside Crew Cab 3633 2519 6152

[Rick]

Thanks Sourdough! This is the only entry I see that applies to my truck in the Payload and Trailer Towing Weights category-
Model - F-250 4×2
Max. GAWR (lbs.) Front/Rear - 4850/6084
Max. GVWR (lbs.) - 8800
Max. GCWR (lbs.) - 20,000
Max. Trailer Weight (Conventional) - 10,000
Max. TrailerWeight (5th Wheel) - 14,500
Max. Payload - 3740

[CWtheMan]

Hi!
I have a 2001 F-250 7.3 diesel. The only "yellow sticker" I can find anywhere is this-
https://i.vgy.me/zw9j8l.jpg

I also have this sticker-
https://i.vgy.me/rucaTf.jpg

Where can I get the info for the "yellow sticker"? VIN?

Thanks!

That's a federal vehicle certification label. It was valid the day it was delivered to the dealer. It cannot contain misinformation without risking an entire self imposed or NHTSA imposed model recall.

Everything/anything provided by the dealer or consumer that adds weight must be deducted from it's load carrying capacity.

The tire & load information "yellow sticker" was not approved until 2007.

[flybouy]

I would pay a visit to a CAT Scale. The 8800 lb GVWR on the door is the max number. Subtract the scale weight from the 8800 lbs for what's left in payload. Do the same with the front a rear axle weights and you have the "not to exceed number" on the axles as well.

[wiredgeorge]

That's a federal vehicle certification label. It was valid the day it was delivered to the dealer. It cannot contain misinformation without risking an entire self imposed or NHTSA imposed model recall.

Everything/anything provided by the dealer or consumer that adds weight must be deducted from it's load carrying capacity.

The tire & load information "yellow sticker" was not approved until 2007.


CW, My 2006 F350 has the same yellow sticker that you say wasn't approved until 2007. At least one make/model used the sticker prior the 2007 date.

[sourdough]

Thanks Sourdough! This is the only entry I see that applies to my truck in the Payload and Trailer Towing Weights category-
Model - F-250 4×2
Max. GAWR (lbs.) Front/Rear - 4850/6084
Max. GVWR (lbs.) - 8800
Max. GCWR (lbs.) - 20,000
Max. Trailer Weight (Conventional) - 10,000
Max. TrailerWeight (5th Wheel) - 14,500
Max. Payload - 3740



Do not be mislead by that payload figure, it is much too high. You don't say if you have 4x4, CC or what but 3740 is too high for any 3/4 with the diesel. In that same link is the chart that will give you a much better payload number. I will paste it below but if it comes out jumbled just open the link and start scrolling until you see the chart labeled like the one I'm going to paste; payload may be more like 2415...


Standard Weight Ratings For Models With 7.3L (444) V-8 Turbo Diesel
Engine — Pickup Models
Series/Pickup Model W.B. GVWR (lbs.) Maximum Payload (lbs.)(1) Spring/GAWR Selection (lbs.)(2)
Front Spring
(Min.-Max.)(3) Front GAWR
(Min.-Max.)(3) Rear Spring (Min.-Max.) Rear GAWR (Min.-Max.)
F-250 4×2 Regular Cab 137.0 ” 8800 2975 3950-4550 3800-4400 6084 6084
SuperCab 141.8 ” 8800 2950 3950-4550 3800-4400 6084 6084
SuperCab 158.0 ” 8800 2715 4250-4850 4100-4550 6084 6084
Crew Cab 156.2 ” 8800 2590 4250-4850 4100-4550 6084 6084
Crew Cab 172.4 ” 8800 2415 4550-4850 4400-4850 6084 608


2nd column of numbers (right after 8800) is the generic payload since they weren't placed on trucks at that time. If you've added any extra equipment; running boards, bed cover etc. that would come off the payload as well.

[chuckster57]

CW, My 2006 F350 has the same yellow sticker that you say wasn't approved until 2007. At least one make/model used the sticker prior the 2007 date.

That might be a “mandated to comply” date. Some auto makers will start before. Like OBD II was mandated in 1996, and Ford was using it in 1994. Dodge was using C.A.N. At least 2 years before being mandated.

Not trying to start an argument....

[Brantlyj]

Check the glovebox. I talked to one lady with a 99chevy and that’s where her info was

[wiredgeorge]

That might be a “mandated to comply” date. Some auto makers will start before. Like OBD II was mandated in 1996, and Ford was using it in 1994. Dodge was using C.A.N. At least 2 years before being mandated.

Not trying to start an argument....


Ford was kind of hit or miss on the OBD II. My 96 F250 used OBD-1 if memory serves and the thing was under the hood. You used an adapter cord to hook it to an OBD-2 scanner and the scanner wasn't very reliable at reading DTC codes... it has been awhile so this is all from my dim memory but I do still have the adapter cable somewhere.

[chuckster57]

Yeah OBD I was under the hood. In 1994 the first “powerstroke” had both the OBD I &II and it took a “flash” at the dealer to activate it. I’ve been working on autos “on the side” for over 40 years now, so my mind isn’t dim...yet. Last week just bought a scanner to do SRS systems, two months ago it was a scanner for TPMS.

I miss the old days of my stethoscope (still hanging on the wall).

[wiredgeorge]

Yeah OBD I was under the hood. In 1994 the first “powerstroke” had both the OBD I &II and it took a “flash” at the dealer to activate it. I’ve been working on autos “on the side” for over 40 years now, so my mind isn’t dim...yet. Last week just bought a scanner to do SRS systems, two months ago it was a scanner for TPMS.

I miss the old days of my stethoscope (still hanging on the wall).


I rebuild/sell vintage Japanese motorcycle carburetors for a living (going on 15 years now) and used to work on vintage bikes a lot but these days don't really like to turn wrenches as it wears me out so stick to just carburetors. I spent about 3 hours Friday morning wrestling with putting a drive belt on my lawn tractor and that about wiped me out. there wasn't a single useful youtube video with a model close to mine. Next time it would be an hour job.

[chuckster57]

SUXS getting old :banghead: I used to pull an engine in 2 hrs...2 days now!!

If I ever get to your town or you get to mine, it would be a pleasure to swap stories and share some adult beverages.

[Jshopes81]

Do not be mislead by that payload figure, it is much too high. You don't say if you have 4x4, CC or what but 3740 is too high for any 3/4 with the diesel. In that same link is the chart that will give you a much better payload number. I will paste it below but if it comes out jumbled just open the link and start scrolling until you see the chart labeled like the one I'm going to paste; payload may be more like

I believe the last number is the combined axle rating-empty truck weight, which would give you max legal payload on the truck. Going by gvwr on my dually gives a piddly 3100lbs or so which is just stupid, considering theres way more than that available for just the rear end. Rear weighs about 3000, rated for 8250. 5250lbs available for the rear by itself.

[sourdough]

I believe the last number is the combined axle rating-empty truck weight, which would give you max legal payload on the truck. Going by gvwr on my dually gives a piddly 3100lbs or so which is just stupid, considering theres way more than that available for just the rear end. Rear weighs about 3000, rated for 8250. 5250lbs available for the rear by itself.



If that's the case I suppose you could just put some 17.5" wheels and tires on the rear end with a 10k max load each thus giving you 20k for the rear and forget that 8250 right?

[Jshopes81]

If that's the case I suppose you could just put some 17.5" wheels and tires on the rear end with a 10k max load each thus giving you 20k for the rear and forget that 8250 right?

Youre adding apples and bananas and getting oranges. Ford rates that axle in that chassis for 8250. In the c&c i think its 9900. Your weakest link is your lowest number.

[CWtheMan]

It's very doubtful that a TV can stay within it's ultimate limiter (GVWR) when loading axles to their limiters (GAWRs). Those axles have load capacity reserves.

When the loading information provided with the TV is exceeded, safety comes to mind.

[Jshopes81]

It's very doubtful that a TV can stay within it's ultimate limiter (GVWR) when loading axles to their limiters (GAWRs). Those axles have load capacity reserves.

When the loading information provided with the TV is exceeded, safety comes to mind.

Gvwr is not a legally enforeable number in most states. Its a registration and warranty number. Ive had my ram over on axles and under on gvwr. The dana 80 from dana spicer is something like a 12k axle, so yes, even at its rating, it has safety margin.

[Javi]

Gvwr is not a legally enforeable number in most states. Its a registration and warranty number. Ive had my ram over on axles and under on gvwr. The dana 80 from dana spicer is something like a 12k axle, so yes, even at its rating, it has safety margin.

In Texas you must axle, tire & be under GVWR and trust me... it's enforceable :D

[Jshopes81]

In Texas you must axle, tire & be under GVWR and trust me... it's enforceable :D

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.txdmv.gov/publications-tac/doc_download/3077-motor-vehicle-registration-manual&ved=2ahUKEwjt9vP32NzrAhVlh-AKHXjWBuIQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1R4pbmVidSqE2MUttIDLgO

Theres a whole section in there on weight. Give it a read, its from 2020

[Javi]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.txdmv.gov/publications-tac/doc_download/3077-motor-vehicle-registration-manual&ved=2ahUKEwjt9vP32NzrAhVlh-AKHXjWBuIQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1R4pbmVidSqE2MUttIDLgO

Theres a whole section in there on weight. Give it a read, its from 2020

I'm VERY familiar with weight laws in Texas... I have to be..

[Jshopes81]

I'm VERY familiar with weight laws in Texas... I have to be..

Then you know manufacturers gvwr isnt relevant.

[Javi]

Then you know manufacturers gvwr isnt relevant.

It is relevant in that Texas WILL NOT register your vehicle for MORE than the Manufacturer's GVWR and the Registered GVWR is the Weight limit for that vehicle... My 14K truck cannot be registered for more than 14K less... yes more.... nope

But my truck can weigh less than 14K and still get ticketed if my rear axle is over or the tires I have on it are over their limit.

An 18 wheeler is 80K or 84K with an overload permit but they still have to axle.. that's not a pickup hauling a 5th wheel..

[Jshopes81]

It is relevant in that Texas WILL NOT register your vehicle for MORE than the Manufacturer's GVWR and the Registered GVWR is the Weight limit for that vehicle... My 14K truck cannot be registered for more than 14K less... yes more.... nope

But my truck can weigh less than 14K and still get ticketed if my rear axle is over or the tires I have on it are over their limit.

That link, which is from the state of texas, does not say that. If youve got some proof lets have it, the he said she said from the weight police is ridiculous, so lets see it in writing.

[CWtheMan]

Gvwr is not a legally enforeable number in most states. Its a registration and warranty number. Ive had my ram over on axles and under on gvwr. The dana 80 from dana spicer is something like a 12k axle, so yes, even at its rating, it has safety margin.

There is a reason why vehicle manufacturers will say "do not exceed". With it they are setting an industry standard. Later when "push comes to shove" they can always say " I told you so".

Almost all of the industry standards are linked to safety.

I searched a long time for a definition of "industry standards". NHTSA has a link where anyone can ask questions. I asked them to define industry standards and this is the answer I got; “Industry standards generally form the basis for demonstrating product safety and quality before courts, regulators, retailers, consumers and others.”

[Jshopes81]

That sure supports what i said. They warrantee it to that point and they say any joe schmoe will be safe to that point. Of course theyre going to downplay their liability.

[Javi]

That link, which is from the state of texas, does not say that. If youve got some proof lets have it, the he said she said from the weight police is ridiculous, so lets see it in writing.

Re-read section 9.1

Also section 2 which covers not only commercial but pickups with a carrying capacity of more than 2000 pounds..

[JRTJH]

That sure supports what i said. They warrantee it to that point and they say any joe schmoe will be safe to that point. Of course theyre going to downplay their liability.

I believe you're holding yourself to a different standard than you're asking others to hold themself to in responding to your posts. You're saying to other members, "Show me in writing where it says what you're posting"

Hold yourself to that same standard: Show us in writing where Ford, GM or RAM builds an excess operating weight rating into their trucks. Where, in any document does it stipulate that "they warrantee it to that point and they say any joe schmoe will be safe to that point".... Is there anything "in writing" that says "theyre going to downplay their liability" ???? Where is your "in writing" documentation to support your position ???

[Jshopes81]

I believe you're holding yourself to a different standard than you're asking others to hold themself to in responding to your posts. You're saying to other members, "Show me in writing where it says what you're posting"

Hold yourself to that same standard: Show us in writing where Ford, GM or RAM builds an excess operating weight rating into their trucks. Where, in any document does it stipulate that "they warrantee it to that point and they say any joe schmoe will be safe to that point".... Is there anything "in writing" that says "theyre going to downplay their liability" ???? Where is your "in writing" documentation to support your position ???

Check your owners manual. They design this stuff to the best of their ability to be foolproof because if they dont there will be that one guy. Why do you think snowblowers have warning signs not to put your hands in the auger? That should go without saying. Same with the fan shroud. Thats why we have some of the warning signs we do.

[Javi]

I believe you're holding yourself to a different standard than you're asking others to hold themself to in responding to your posts. You're saying to other members, "Show me in writing where it says what you're posting"

Hold yourself to that same standard: Show us in writing where Ford, GM or RAM builds an excess operating weight rating into their trucks. Where, in any document does it stipulate that "they warrantee it to that point and they say any joe schmoe will be safe to that point".... Is there anything "in writing" that says "theyre going to downplay their liability" ???? Where is your "in writing" documentation to support your position ???

I don't mind John... he needs to learn.. :whistling:

[Jshopes81]

I don't mind John... he needs to learn.. :whistling:

Well have an educational moment and lets see it. Everyone would benefit.

[JRTJH]

Check your owners manual. They design this stuff to the best of their ability to be foolproof because if they dont there will be that one guy. Why do you think snowblowers have warning signs not to put your hands in the auger? That should go without saying. Same with the fan shroud. Thats why we have some of the warning signs we do.

Do you have a "source document" that states the part I bolded in your response that "stipulates in writing" why they wrote the owner's manual the way they did? (for that one guy) ???? You're asking others to "show you in writing" so, hold yourself to the same standard and "show us in writing" where there is any documentation that "an owner "of a non-commercial, privately licensed and registered vehicle" can "ignore the GVW as long as the vehicle is operated under the RAWR"....

[Javi]

Well have an educational moment and lets see it. Everyone would benefit.

I've actually done this several times on this forum...

In Texas you can register a pickup as a passenger vehicle with a general plate up until the carrying capacity is above 2000 pounds at that time it becomes a TRUCK... at that point different rules take over.. like I said re-read section 9.1

You also need to look at this

Light Truck
Transportation Code, Sec. 541.201. Vehicles.
In this subtitle:
(7) “Light truck” means a truck, including a pickup truck, panel delivery truck, or carryall truck, that has a manufacturer's rated carrying capacity of 2,000 pounds or less.

After you pass the pickup with 2000 pounds or less then it becomes a TRUCK and section 2 applies even though your pickup isn't commercial, many of the same rules apply..

[Jshopes81]

Do you have a "source document" that states the part I bolded in your response that "stipulates in writing" why they wrote the owner's manual the way they did? (for that one guy) ???? You're asking others to "show you in writing" so, hold yourself to the same standard and "show us in writing" where there is any documentation that "an owner "of a non-commercial, privately licensed and registered vehicle" can "ignore the GVW as long as the vehicle is operated under the RAWR"....

I already did.

[Jshopes81]

I've actually done this several times on this forum...

In Texas you can register a pickup as a passenger vehicle with a general plate up until the carrying capacity is above 2000 pounds at that time it becomes a TRUCK... at that point different rules take over.. like I said re-read section 9.1

You also need to look at this

Light Truck
Transportation Code, Sec. 541.201. Vehicles.
In this subtitle:
(7) “Light truck” means a truck, including a pickup truck, panel delivery truck, or carryall truck, that has a manufacturer's rated carrying capacity of 2,000 pounds or less.

After you pass the pickup with 2000 pounds or less then it becomes a TRUCK and section 2 applies even though your pickup isn't commercial, many of the same rules apply..

Section 2 only states registered gvwr, not manufacturers.

[JRTJH]

I already did.

Somewhere I must have missed your source document. I rechecked every post in this thread and still can't find where you posted a link to the "black and white statement from Ford, GM or RAM where they say it's OK to ignore the GVW as long as you're under the RAWR... Could you do me a favor and repost that link to the document?

[JRTJH]

Section 2 only states registered gvwr, not manufacturers.

Page 2-3: "All trucks and truck-tractors registered are registered for the gross weight of the vehicle, which is inclusive of the empty weight plus the net carrying capacity. The vehicle should not be registered for more than the manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating. (GVWR)"

[sourdough]

Somewhere I must have missed your source document. I rechecked every post in this thread and still can't find where you posted a link to the "black and white statement from Ford, GM or RAM where they say it's OK to ignore the GVW as long as you're under the RAWR... Could you do me a favor and repost that link to the document?



Fellows, I think we have hit that proverbial "brick wall" :banghead:. When you think you know what you just don't know, well...... :banghead:

[CWtheMan]

FMVSS 571.3 defines GVWR. FMVSS also requires the vehicle manufacturer to set a GVWR for each vehicle they build. 49 CFR part 567 (Certification) directs the vehicle manufacturer to certify GVWR and place a placard on the vehicle that clearly shows it's GVWR. NHTSA mandates that GVWR and GAWR values are described in the vehicle owner's manual. In the Keystone owner's manual that information is on page #22.

[Jshopes81]

Page 2-3: "All trucks and truck-tractors registered are registered for the gross weight of the vehicle, which is inclusive of the empty weight plus the net carrying capacity. The vehicle should not be registered for more than the manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating. (GVWR)"

Still goes back to registered weight. Pa says the manufacturers gvwr is the sum of the axle weights

[Javi]

Fellows, I think we have hit that proverbial "brick wall" :banghead:. When you think you know what you just don't know, well...... :banghead:

Seen two guy on Lone Star Law this week that fit the bill to a tee.... Got caught on video climbing the neighbor fence to set up a feeder and then augured with the warden that it just ain't right... why is it illegal... that don't make no sense...

The law is written real plain... you just got to figure out which part pertains to you and which part don't... but it helps if you read past the first two sentences. :D

[Javi]

Still goes back to registered weight. Pa says the manufacturers gvwr is the sum of the axle weights

Pa law... ain't what you was trying to teach me...:facepalm:

[Jshopes81]

Somewhere I must have missed your source document. I rechecked every post in this thread and still can't find where you posted a link to the "black and white statement from Ford, GM or RAM where they say it's OK to ignore the GVW as long as you're under the RAWR... Could you do me a favor and repost that link to the document?

We seem to be having a communication issue here.

[Jshopes81]

Pa law... ain't what you was trying to teach me...:facepalm:

Still trying to figure out why theres a section on voluntary additional weight. Im personally glad that there are people who do more than just regurgitate what theyve read on one rv forum or another. Just because you heard it on the internet doesnt make it true.

[JRTJH]

Still goes back to registered weight. Pa says the manufacturers gvwr is the sum of the axle weights

Are you suggesting (or flat out saying) that PA establishes Texas vehicle laws ?????

If what you posted were true, then my 2015 F250, which has a FAWR of 5200 and a RAWR of 6100 would have a GVW of 11300 and Ford made a SIGNIFICANT error on the GVWR on my truck ??? They certified it with a GVWR of 10000 not 11300.

If you can provide the link to the document where you found this information, we can all "join in on owning Ford" for their misrepresentation of vehicle capacity. It would go all the way back to, at least 1993 when I bought my first Ford 3/4 ton truck...

On the other hand, if you can't/won't provide the link to your source document, then it's just another "urban legend found on the internet".....

[Jshopes81]

Are you suggesting (or flat out saying) that PA establishes Texas vehicle laws ?????

No, im saying that gvwr is open to interpretation depending on whos making the laws.

[JRTJH]

We seem to be having a communication issue here.

The communication problem is that you obviously don't understand how to post a link to a source document.... Post it and the communication will be substantiated. Otherwise..... just another meaningless post with no way to verify the contents, even with Snopes.....

[Jshopes81]

The communication problem is that you obviously don't understand how to post a link to a source document.... Post it and the communication will be substantiated. Otherwise..... just another meaningless post with no way to verify the contents, even with Snopes.....

Are you serious right now? If the manufacturer says its ok they open themselves up to liability. Youre just being daft now

[JRTJH]

Are you serious right now? If the manufacturer says its ok they open themselves up to liability. Youre just being daft now

Where's your link to the document that supports any of your statements ???

[Javi]

Still trying to figure out why theres a section on voluntary additional weight. Im personally glad that there are people who do more than just regurgitate what theyve read on one rv forum or another. Just because you heard it on the internet doesnt make it true.

Voluntary Additional Weight

Voluntary additional weight must be purchased in the county of the owner's residence(unless apprehended).

A registrant is required to provide proof of payment of Heavy Vehicle Use Tax (HVUT) when a vehicle weight is voluntarily increased to 55,000 lbs. or more during a registration year.

Incorrect Gross Weight (Apprehension)

Any person transporting a load greater than the weight for which the vehicle is registered must, when apprehended, purchase additional registration at the nearest county tax assessor-collector's office to increase the gross registration weight equal to the apprehended load weight.

If the gross weight of the vehicle at the time of apprehension is in excess of the maximum legal load limit, then the amount of the additional weight which can be issued is only that which brings the weight of the vehicle up to the legal load limit.

For example, a vehicle registered at 54,000 lbs. is apprehended with a gross vehicle weight (GVW) of 64,000 lbs. However, the legal GVW for the vehicle is 60,000 lbs.; therefore, the vehicle weight can only be increased by 6,000 lbs. (to 60,000 lbs.).

In some instances, movement of the vehicle is held until the gross weight is lowered to comply with the maximum authorized by law. The enforcement officer usually advises the operator or tax assessor-collector of the weight decrease needed.

• An apprehension occurs when an enforcement officer issues a citation for a
registration violation.

Are you talking about this clause... Seem pretty much self-explanatory

If not... then post the exact clause you're talking about and I'll help you understand.

[sourdough]

Are you serious right now? If the manufacturer says its ok they open themselves up to liability. Youre just being daft now


Are you saying you are privy to the "insider" knowledge of all the engineering limits established for their vehicles and these "supposed" cushions....and all regulatory agencies know and agree with it or.....? So far in all your assertions you've not provided one single document to support your comments in all of them you've made across various threads. Without that it's just more internet "static".

[Jshopes81]

Voluntary Additional Weight

Voluntary additional weight must be purchased in the county of the owner's residence(unless apprehended).

A registrant is required to provide proof of payment of Heavy Vehicle Use Tax (HVUT) when a vehicle weight is voluntarily increased to 55,000 lbs. or more during a registration year.

Incorrect Gross Weight (Apprehension)

Any person transporting a load greater than the weight for which the vehicle is registered must, when apprehended, purchase additional registration at the nearest county tax assessor-collector's office to increase the gross registration weight equal to the apprehended load weight.

If the gross weight of the vehicle at the time of apprehension is in excess of the maximum legal load limit, then the amount of the additional weight which can be issued is only that which brings the weight of the vehicle up to the legal load limit.

For example, a vehicle registered at 54,000 lbs. is apprehended with a gross vehicle weight (GVW) of 64,000 lbs. However, the legal GVW for the vehicle is 60,000 lbs.; therefore, the vehicle weight can only be increased by 6,000 lbs. (to 60,000 lbs.).

In some instances, movement of the vehicle is held until the gross weight is lowered to comply with the maximum authorized by law. The enforcement officer usually advises the operator or tax assessor-collector of the weight decrease needed.

• An apprehension occurs when an enforcement officer issues a citation for a
registration violation.

Are you talking about this clause... Seem pretty much self-explanatory

If not... then post the exact clause you're talking about and I'll help you understand.

Didnt read that part. Good thing im not registered for texas.

[Jshopes81]

Are you saying you are privy to the "insider" knowledge of all the engineering limits established for their vehicles and these "supposed" cushions....and all regulatory agencies know and agree with it or.....? So far in all your assertions you've not provided one single document to support your comments in all of them you've made across various threads. Without that it's just more internet "static".

I cant understand how you can be this dense. This is the last time ill be addressing you.

[sourdough]

I cant understand how you can be this dense. This is the last time ill be addressing you.


That's probably a good thing. Because someone says/believes something, without any substantiation from anything, anywhere is simply a figment of their imagination. Until you post documentation of what you say, which you've failed to do in every thread, I suppose I'm not dense....just waiting.

[CWtheMan]

No, im saying that gvwr is open to interpretation depending on whos making the laws.

GVWR itself IS NOT open to interpretation. As I said and referenced in a previous post, GVWR and it's descriptive wording is finite, in that it's what the vehicle manufacturer says it is.

The vehicle manufacturer has exclusive authority (FMVSS) to set GVWR. Vehicle certification (CFR 49 part 567) actually orders all vehicles to display vehicle certified GVWR. Once the vehicle has passed over to a consumer the only way the information on the certification label can be changed is by vehicle placard recall action or modifications. Only the vehicle manufacturer or a certified modifier have the authority to change the information on the certification label.

Quit shooting from the hip and please provide some references for your "off the wall" information. :confused:

[LewisB]

I cant understand how you can be this dense. This is the last time ill be addressing you.

How I wish that were true - PLEASE MAKE IT SO!

[Jshopes81]

GVWR itself IS NOT open to interpretation. As I said and referenced in a previous post, GVWR and it's descriptive wording is finite, in that it's what the vehicle manufacturer says it is.

The vehicle manufacturer has exclusive authority (FMVSS) to set GVWR. Vehicle certification (CFR 49 part 567) actually orders all vehicles to display vehicle certified GVWR. Once the vehicle has passed over to a consumer the only way the information on the certification label can be changed is by vehicle placard recall action or modifications. Only the vehicle manufacturer or a certified modifier have the authority to change the information on the certification label.

Quit shooting from the hip and please provide some references for your "off the wall" information. :confused:

Pennsylvania vehicle code. I dont have time to post it right now.

[LewisB]

Pennsylvania vehicle code. I don't have time to post it right now.

The Pennsylvania Vehicle Code defines GVWR as "The value specified on the Federal weight certification label by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a single vehicle."

In review of this thread, it's clear to me that we are being trolled. "Trolling is defined as creating discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people by posting inflammatory or off-topic messages in an online community. Basically, a social media troll is someone who purposely says something controversial in order to get a rise out of other users.[James Hanson, University of Nebraska]"

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Personally, I'm tired of this and concerned about a new user discovering this thread. The thing I love about this forum is the experience and knowledge of the users added to their willingness to share with others in a HELPFUL way. We don't always agree, but we DO always respect each other and want to help improve each others experiences. I don't see this in a lot of the posts on this particular thread. If you don't like specific posts, let the site team know!

JMHO

[JRTJH]

LewisB has posted a summation of this thread in a way that's appropriate and on target. I'm closing the tread with his comments as they are both positive and at the same time express the goals of this forum. Thank you, LewisB.