Pay Load

[grey ghost]

I'm really interested in the 2020 Ram 2500 6.7l Big Horn but I'm a bit worried about the max pay load. I've looked online at 4x2 and 4x4 8' beds and short beds but everything I read tells me the pay load just isn't enough to haul what I want to haul. I need to hear from people that have one and know what they are talking about, not a salesman!! I'm looking at a Forestriver Cedarcreek Silverback 31lk or the 33lk. Hitch weiight varies between the 31=2067 and the 33=2435. I know the 2500 4x2 will pull it, it's just the payload that has me worried a bit. HELP

[sourdough]

A 3/4 ton of any kind, and particularly a diesel, is incapable of safely towing either of those trailers. What is the payload/gvw/gawr/gvw for that vehicle? Having owned one I can tell you it's not enough to safely "carry", not "pull", those trailers.

When everything you read says you shouldn't do it.... Look at the numbers realistically, don't try to find reasons you have a "special" situation. They are what they are and you need to adjust down on trailer expectations or up in truck size... Here's a Cedar Creek 33lk; beyond a 3/4;

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/fifth-wheels/cedar-creek-silverback-edition/33IK/1118

Please note that the brochure pin weight is meaningless. Take 20% of the gvw of the trailer and subtract it from the payload of that 3/4 truck...what's that leave?

[Steveo57]

I was just looking at a 2020 Big Horn 2500 with the 6.7l diesel. It had a payload of around 2200# which was only about 300# more than the F-150 I had. I ended up going with a F-350 powerstoke and it's got 3500# of payload. A lot more truck and not much more money.

[tech740]

If you are looking at new just get the 3500 version. My 4x4 has 3900 payload. If you do 2wd you can break the 4K actual payload by sticker mark. After owning a 2500 diesel I don’t know why they make them.

[travelin texans]

Skip the 2500 & go 3500, very little difference in $$, ride, mileage, appearance, but much different payload.

[rhagfo]

Skip the 2500 & go 3500, very little difference in $$, ride, mileage, appearance, but much different payload.

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You reallwant a 3500 for a 5er that size the pin weights you are looking at are DRY, they only get heaver. In addition payload is everything that goes in the truck not just the pin weight, passengers, hitch, stuff, driver over 150#, etc.

[CedarCreekWoody]

That is similar to my truck and I wouldn't attempt it.

[Roscommon48]

if you want a 3/4 look at the chevy/gmc.



lots of people use a 3/4 ton though not weighted for your weight. exception is the new 3/4 chevy/gmc https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd/sle-slt/build-and-price/features

[travelin texans]

if you want a 3/4 look at the chevy/gmc.



lots of people use a 3/4 ton though not weighted for your weight. exception is the new 3/4 chevy/gmc https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd/sle-slt/build-and-price/features

I'd still get the SRW 1 ton, just 'cause!

[JRTJH]

GM is changing the GVW ratings on their HD truck line. They still "have a 2500 and 3500 SRW by name" but the 2500 CC standard bed is available in a number of GVW selections, starting at 9900 and going all the way up to 11,350 (if I remember what I read just a moment ago).

It seems to me that the rumors I've been hearing about GM eliminating the 2500 are much closer to reality than in the past. The rumors I'm hearing are that GM is going to start producing a truck line with the 1/4 ton (Colorado class), the 1/2 ton (LT class) and the 3/4-1 ton (HD class) The HD, like the LT trucks will have multiple "optional GVW packages". In the LT trucks they'll range from around 6000-8100 pounds and in the HD trucks GVW packages will range from 9900-12,100 pounds....

If the rumors are true, then GONE will be the discussions about 250/350 and 2500/3500 SRW trucks "really being the same with a different sticker" and it will become "which GVW package contains what equipment"....

[Northofu1]

Makes sense as the drive trains and chassis are basically the same, Gasser or diesel.

[Gegrad]

GM is changing the GVW ratings on their HD truck line. They still "have a 2500 and 3500 SRW by name" but the 2500 CC standard bed is available in a number of GVW selections, starting at 9900 and going all the way up to 11,350 (if I remember what I read just a moment ago).

It seems to me that the rumors I've been hearing about GM eliminating the 2500 are much closer to reality than in the past. The rumors I'm hearing are that GM is going to start producing a truck line with the 1/4 ton (Colorado class), the 1/2 ton (LT class) and the 3/4-1 ton (HD class) The HD, like the LT trucks will have multiple "optional GVW packages". In the LT trucks they'll range from around 6000-8100 pounds and in the HD trucks GVW packages will range from 9900-12,100 pounds....

If the rumors are true, then GONE will be the discussions about 250/350 and 2500/3500 SRW trucks "really being the same with a different sticker" and it will become "which GVW package contains what equipment"....

That makes sense, since they do use the same engine/transmission combinations. It also makes one wonder what the physical differences will be between two HD trucks with different GVW packages... or if it stickering to ensure the customers need to adhere to lower loads as a consequence of not having to pay more for the higher GVWR trucks. We know that is costs more to register a 14k GWV dually than a 10k GVW 3/4 tons, so I wonder if that is how the manufacturers make it differentiable to the customers. You can't legally tow/haul as much, but it doesn't cost as much to register kind of thing.

[JRTJH]

Additionally, in addition to increased registration/licensing costs, some home owner's associations restrict parking to "no commercial or 1 ton vehicles". Some locations classify all 1 ton trucks as "commercial", so, many people living in those sub divisions have always bought 3/4 ton trucks to circumvent the parking restrictions. With new marketing, there would be no "tonnage differences" on the fender badge... So, that "nosey neighbor looking to piss people off" would have to wait until you left your truck unlocked to get a photo of the GVW before he/she could report you to the "HOA gestapo"

[sourdough]

Additionally, in addition to increased registration/licensing costs, some home owner's associations restrict parking to "no commercial or 1 ton vehicles". Some locations classify all 1 ton trucks as "commercial", so, many people living in those sub divisions have always bought 3/4 ton trucks to circumvent the parking restrictions. With new marketing, there would be no "tonnage differences" on the fender badge... So, that "nosey neighbor looking to piss people off" would have to wait until you left your truck unlocked to get a photo of the GVW before he/she could report you to the "HOA gestapo"


That would not be a good thing.... Criminal Minds come to "mind"....:lol:

[JRTJH]

That would not be a good thing.... Criminal Minds come to "mind"....:lol:

I know of two instances around here, where an owner changed the 3500 finder badges for 2500 fender badges so he could "circumvent the HOA restrictions" in a HOA subdivision near Gaylord.

I agree, if I happen to see a neighbor (or anyone else) in my driveway with my truck door open, all HELL will break loose !!!!! There may not be a need to "search my freezer for human DNA, but there will be a "clear and distinct message" immediately provided to that person......

[rhagfo]

Well as discussed before, that 5er will likely be more than the Ram 2500 can carry within it's listed payload. The best option is to go to a 3500 Long bed and get a 12,300# GVWR with about 4,000# of payload. With a dry pin of 2,067# that is about 19%, most real life pins run about 22%, so assume you load 1,500# of stuff in your 5er now at 12,380# at 22% is 2,724#, and that is JUST the pin of the 5er, you also have hitch, passengers, you above 150#, and any "STUFF" you carry in the truck. I would assume that the 2,724# pin would be about the 2500's total payload.

2020 Forestriver Cedarcreek Silverback 33lk
Specifications
Hitch Weight: 2,067 lb. (DRY)
GVWR: 14,067 lb.
UVW: 10,880 lb.
CCC: 3,187 lb.
Exterior Length: 35' 5"

[Big1]

Go with the 3500 if you don't you will be kicking yourself every times you think about it, ask me how I know. I bought three 2500 the first one was a hemi 6.4L with a 4.10 gears now that was okay but I wanted a diesel.

So I I bought a 2500 diesel but I try to make it work but every times I would tow my fiver I would think that I am overloaded so I put it back of my mind.

That didn't work either it was eating at me day and night I really need a 3500 to tow my fiver safely. So to easy my mind and be safe I finally got my 3500 with 3799 lbs of payload now I can sleep good at night knowing I good to to.

Edit: My first 2500 was a 5.7L with a 3.73 gear, the second one was the 6.4L hemi with a 4.10 gears so yeah I went through three 2500 thinking it will work but it want.

[kcamp99186]

I have an F250 XLT 4x4 with the 6.7l diesel. Great truck, tons of power. I pull a 35 foot Premier with a GVW of 8,000 lbs. My truck's door sticker gives me a load capacity of 2,228 Lbs. I've calculated that with my wife and I and a loaded trailer and truck, I have about a 400 lb safety margin. Take 2 friends and that margin goes away. I'm currently looking at a F350 XLT 4x4 with the 6.7l diesel that has a door sticker that states 5,436 lbs of capacity. Big difference and great peace of mind!

[Kebees42]

I'm really interested in the 2020 Ram 2500 6.7l Big Horn but I'm a bit worried about the max pay load. I've looked online at 4x2 and 4x4 8' beds and short beds but everything I read tells me the pay load just isn't enough to haul what I want to haul. I need to hear from people that have one and know what they are talking about, not a salesman!! I'm looking at a Forestriver Cedarcreek Silverback 31lk or the 33lk. Hitch weiight varies between the 31=2067 and the 33=2435. I know the 2500 4x2 will pull it, it's just the payload that has me worried a bit. HELP
Where did you get the payload numbers? Here is a screenshot of my truck and yours should be higher than mine. Well I couldn't get it to load and mine says my payload is 3730. I have a 2020 6.4 hemi with 8 speed tranny.

[CedarCreekWoody]

Where did you get the payload numbers? Here is a screenshot of my truck and yours should be higher than mine. Well I couldn't get it to load and mine says my payload is 3730. I have a 2020 6.4 hemi with 8 speed tranny.

The diesel engine is much heavier than your gasser, reducing the payload.

[Kebees42]

The diesel engine is much heavier than your gasser, reducing the payload.

I went and did some research after I posted and I have a lot more payload but less towing capacity. I just never thought about the engine weight difference. I had always thought the diesels were much higher.

[flybouy]

Where did you get the payload numbers? Here is a screenshot of my truck and yours should be higher than mine. Well I couldn't get it to load and mine says my payload is 3730. I have a 2020 6.4 hemi with 8 speed tranny.

Screen shot? As in something off the internet? What's actually on the truck is the actual payload

To post a picture first click on "go advanced", then click on the paper clip to the right of the smiley face next to the font color. Then find the file to upload and click on choose file, then upload.

[Kebees42]

Screen shot? As in something off the internet? What's actually on the truck is the actual payload

To post a picture first click on "go advanced", then click on the paper clip to the right of the smiley face next to the font color. Then find the file to upload and click on choose file, then upload.

My truck label on the door doesn't give payload. It gives gvwr but you need to know truck weight I'm guessing to get payload. I got my numbers off rams truck page. It goes by truck, gear ratio, bed length and motor.

[wiredgeorge]

Sticker in door frame says "COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO SHOULD NEVER EXCEED ...." That number is the payload.

[sourdough]

Mine is a 19 and has the sticker on the door. It should be white and yellow and list maximum occupancy load. The website will not be valid for your truck.

[Kebees42]

Sticker in door frame says "COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO SHOULD NEVER EXCEED ...." That number is the payload.


I have that and mine is 3070

[Kebees42]

I found it. It was on the jamb. The one on the door is about gvwr and axle weight

[wiredgeorge]

I have that and mine is 3070


You might want to go to your profile (click User CP) and add a signature with your tow vehicle year make and model and the same for your camper. This will help folks a lot when trying to answer questions you have in the future. Keep in mind that every gee-gaw, kiddo, tool, etc. that you put in your camper plus the tongue weight or hitch weight and the hitch itself eats into that payload. You now have become a payload expert and perhaps can join the weight police who patrol this forum night and day! :whistling:

[sourdough]

I have that and mine is 3070


Ahhh! Much better! I was trying to figure out if you had a 3/4 - 1 ton hybrid or something with that 3700 payload.:) My 3/4 6.4 was 3190 (or 3090?). :facepalm:

[Kebees42]

You might want to go to your profile (click User CP) and add a signature with your tow vehicle year make and model and the same for your camper. This will help folks a lot when trying to answer questions you have in the future. Keep in mind that every gee-gaw, kiddo, tool, etc. that you put in your camper plus the tongue weight or hitch weight and the hitch itself eats into that payload. You now have become a payload expert and perhaps can join the weight police who patrol this forum night and day! :whistling:

Ok I will do it soon. I just traded campers and don't pick it up until next week. I seen the first post and it scared me for a bit. The camper we are getting is a bit bigger than I set out for but I think I'll be ok. It will be 1500# pin weight and 8500 dry weight. I'm switching from tt to fifth wheel. My tt was around 7000 # and we took a 300 mile trip and I could hardly tell it was back there. I averaged 10.3 mpg on that trip.

[Kebees42]

The 3700 came from here.
http://https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html
I match my truck to their chart. I have crew cab 4X4 with 6.4 with 3.73 gears.

[sourdough]

The 3700 came from here.
http://https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html
I match my truck to their chart. I have crew cab 4X4 with 6.4 with 3.73 gears.

Same drivetrain as mine was. What is the year, brand and model number of the trailer. Dry weights and published dry pin weights are meaningless for assessing your load.

[Kebees42]

I am picking it up next week. It's 2021 Springdale 302FWRK. I understand dry weights aren't what to go by.

[sourdough]

I am picking it up next week. It's 2021 Springdale 302FWRK. I understand dry weights aren't what to go by.


The gvw of that trailer is 10,326. At 20% pin that's 2065lbs. Just keep that in mind as you make plans. Here's the link for the trailer;

https://www.keystonerv.com/fifth-wheels/springdale/floorplans/302fwrk-fifth-wheel/

[Kebees42]

The gvw of that trailer is 10,326. At 20% pin that's 2065lbs. Just keep that in mind as you make plans. Here's the link for the trailer;

https://www.keystonerv.com/fifth-wheels/springdale/floorplans/302fwrk-fifth-wheel/

We won't have much weight in the truck. Hitch that weighs 221# and the 2 of us and 2 dogs at 20# each. So I think we will be good. We only haul necessary stuff in RV.

[flybouy]

Ok I will do it soon. I just traded campers and don't pick it up until next week. I seen the first post and it scared me for a bit. The camper we are getting is a bit bigger than I set out for but I think I'll be ok. It will be 1500# pin weight and 8500 dry weight. I'm switching from tt to fifth wheel. My tt was around 7000 # and we took a 300 mile trip and I could hardly tell it was back there. I averaged 10.3 mpg on that trip.

Keystone website (https://www.keystonerv.com/fifth-wheels/springdale/floorplans/302fwrk-fifth-wheel/) lists the delivery weight as 8951, carrying capacity 1369 so fully loaded 10,320 lbs. Pin weight @ 20% = 2,064 lbs.
With 3,070 you should be in good shape.

[Frosty46]

I'm really interested in the 2020 Ram 2500 6.7l Big Horn but I'm a bit worried about the max pay load. I've looked online at 4x2 and 4x4 8' beds and short beds but everything I read tells me the pay load just isn't enough to haul what I want to haul. I need to hear from people that have one and know what they are talking about, not a salesman!! I'm looking at a Forestriver Cedarcreek Silverback 31lk or the 33lk. Hitch weiight varies between the 31=2067 and the 33=2435. I know the 2500 4x2 will pull it, it's just the payload that has me worried a bit. HELP

WE own a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 Big Horn 6.7 Cummins crew cab 8 foot bed. It has been fully deleted and Air Lift suspension installed. We pull a 2010 Raptor MB300 35' toy hauler that we regularly overload. WE pull everything well hills usually not requiring a shift down of our six speed auto. Get 30+ mpg empty and 14.7 averages pulling the trailer. Can get over 18 if we stay at 55 mph.

[flybouy]

I'm really interested in the 2020 Ram 2500 6.7l Big Horn but I'm a bit worried about the max pay load. I've looked online at 4x2 and 4x4 8' beds and short beds but everything I read tells me the pay load just isn't enough to haul what I want to haul. I need to hear from people that have one and know what they are talking about, not a salesman!! I'm looking at a Forestriver Cedarcreek Silverback 31lk or the 33lk. Hitch weiight varies between the 31=2067 and the 33=2435. I know the 2500 4x2 will pull it, it's just the payload that has me worried a bit. HELP

Forest River lists the 31 (https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/fifth-wheels/cedar-creek-silverback-edition/31IK/4215) at GVW of 14,135 lbs. 20 % pin weight = 2,827 lbs.

The 33 (https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/fifth-wheels/cedar-creek-silverback-edition/35LFT/4919) GVW at 16,050 lbs. 20% pin weight would be 3,210.

Both are too much trailer for a 3/4 ton truck IMHO.

[flybouy]

WE own a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 Big Horn 6.7 Cummins crew cab 8 foot bed. It has been fully deleted and Air Lift suspension installed. We pull a 2010 Raptor MB300 35' toy hauler that we regularly overload. WE pull everything well hills usually not requiring a shift down of our six speed auto. Get 30+ mpg empty and 14.7 averages pulling the trailer. Can get over 18 if we stay at 55 mph.

What I can find on the 2010 model from https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2010-keystone-raptor-toy-hauler-floorplan-300mp-tr8566 :

Dry Weight 11,246 lbs.Payload Capacity 3,144 lbs. so GVW of 14,500 lbs so 20% pin weight of 2,900 lbs. What's the payload capacity for truck? I'm guessing that you are seriously overweight considering that you state "that we regularly overload."

The air bags weight come off your payload and do not increase it. Your mpg claims I would think are the highest I've ever seen as well.

[MikeRP]

https://www.whitesidecars.com/vehicles-for-sale/new/2020/RAM-3500-Longhorn%20Crew%20Cab%20LWB%204WD/976496

I found this one the other day. Dealer says it has 4240 lb payload.

I love the truck. Saw it when I had my 2018 in for service.

Stay w 3500 if you can.

[wiredgeorge]

What I can find on the 2010 model from https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2010-keystone-raptor-toy-hauler-floorplan-300mp-tr8566 :

Dry Weight 11,246 lbs.Payload Capacity 3,144 lbs. so GVW of 14,500 lbs so 20% pin weight of 2,900 lbs. What's the payload capacity for truck? I'm guessing that you are seriously overweight considering that you state "that we regularly overload."

The air bags weight come off your payload and do not increase it. Your mpg claims I would think are the highest I've ever seen as well.


I don't much care to get into his payload but the boy gets 30 mpg when not pulling. IMAGINE THAT. Bet you don't see 30 mpg in your Ford bwhahahaha :bow: How many other 3/4 ton Ram owners see 30 mpg (not towing)????

[flybouy]

I don't much care to get into his payload but the boy gets 30 mpg when not pulling. IMAGINE THAT. Bet you don't see 30 mpg in your Ford bwhahahaha :bow: How many other 3/4 ton Ram owners see 30 mpg (not towing)????
That's because it runs on fairy dust but the rainbow coming out the exhaust pipe is pretty.:whistling:

[xrated]

What I can find on the 2010 model from https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2010-keystone-raptor-toy-hauler-floorplan-300mp-tr8566 :

Dry Weight 11,246 lbs.Payload Capacity 3,144 lbs. so GVW of 14,500 lbs so 20% pin weight of 2,900 lbs. What's the payload capacity for truck? I'm guessing that you are seriously overweight considering that you state "that we regularly overload."

The air bags weight come off your payload and do not increase it. Your mpg claims I would think are the highest I've ever seen as well.

But.....but....we saw it on the internet, so it must be true! :lol:

[flybouy]

But.....but....we saw it on the internet, so it must be true! :lol:

LOL! It was a video in between the bigfoot and the lizard man alien right!:lol:

[notanlines]

I don't much care to get into his payload but the boy gets 30 mpg when not pulling. IMAGINE THAT. Bet you don't see 30 mpg in your Ford bwhahahaha :bow: How many other 3/4 ton Ram owners see 30 mpg (not towing)????

That's because it runs on fairy dust but the rainbow coming out the exhaust pipe is pretty.:whistling:

But.....but....we saw it on the internet, so it must be true! :lol:

LOL! It was a video in between the bigfoot and the lizard man alien right!:lol:

I'm not sure that any of you are being as blunt as the situation calls for. And no, I'm not saying any more. I have to leave a little space for Northofyou1.

[sourdough]

https://www.whitesidecars.com/vehicles-for-sale/new/2020/RAM-3500-Longhorn%20Crew%20Cab%20LWB%204WD/976496

I found this one the other day. Dealer says it has 4240 lb payload.

I love the truck. Saw it when I had my 2018 in for service.

Stay w 3500 if you can.


You need to go down there and get it! That is a nice truck I promise - and 6 months later you'll still be trying to figure out all the gizmos.:lol:

[wiredgeorge]

You need to go down there and get it! That is a nice truck I promise - and 6 months later you'll still be trying to figure out all the gizmos.:lol:


Gizmos? Does it have KeyTV? I would take an actual look at the payload sticker in the door frame myself. Whenever "dealer says" it sets off an alarm in my head.

[saber707]

3/4 ton will not cut the mustard with those RV's. Must go with a 1 ton.

[travelin texans]

WE own a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 Big Horn 6.7 Cummins crew cab 8 foot bed. It has been fully deleted and Air Lift suspension installed. We pull a 2010 Raptor MB300 35' toy hauler that we regularly overload. WE pull everything well hills usually not requiring a shift down of our six speed auto. Get 30+ mpg empty and 14.7 averages pulling the trailer. Can get over 18 if we stay at 55 mph.

I got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale also!

[flybouy]

I got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale also!

I always thought of you more a Florida mountain type!

[sourdough]

Gizmos? Does it have KeyTV? I would take an actual look at the payload sticker in the door frame myself. Whenever "dealer says" it sets off an alarm in my head.


Key TV? KEY TV?? If it had KeyTV I'd be in the middle of gutting it like I'm going to do when I get home. Not reading back but didn't he post the payload on that truck? Like 4240?

[xrated]

I'm not sure that any of you are being as blunt as the situation calls for. And no, I'm not saying any more. I have to leave a little space for Northofyu.

Yea, you're right!....so I'll just add this. My Honda Civic 1800CC 4 banger only gets 34 mpg.......makes me wish I'd bought a Dodge now!

https://i.imgur.com/w68dFzo.jpg

[Roscommon48]

forget the numbers, I decided you should get a one ton...that should end the discussion.
now you'll get the opinions of dually vs srw. Isn't life grand.

[MikeRP]

Key TV? KEY TV?? If it had KeyTV I'd be in the middle of gutting it like I'm going to do when I get home. Not reading back but didn't he post the payload on that truck? Like 4240?


It’s a gorgeous truck, but there are no big rebates right now on the Ram HD trucks. So it’s to pricy to trade. I have a Bighorn 2018 with the HO Cummins and the Aisin. But I eventually want to go with a long bed truck.

This dealer is a very good friend of mine and he knows how to read a payload sticker. I saw another one tonight at Performance Ram. All White. Payload sticker was like 4065.

But my dream truck was there. The medium grey, limited, dually. Lodi 4.

Gorgeous. I may try to trade on that one. Lodi 1 was a 1989 Grey Buick LeSabre. Lodi 2 Grey Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, Lodi 3 is my Grey 2018 Ram 3500. Old Creedence CW for you old farts.

Peace

[travelin texans]

It’s a gorgeous truck, but there are no big rebates right now on the Ram HD trucks. So it’s to pricy to trade. I have a Bighorn 2018 with the HO Cummins and the Aisin. But I eventually want to go with a long bed truck.

This dealer is a very good friend of mine and he knows how to read a payload sticker. I saw another one tonight at Performance Ram. All White. Payload sticker was like 4065.

But my dream truck was there. The medium grey, limited, dually. Lodi 4.

Gorgeous. I may try to trade on that one. Lodi 1 was a 1989 Grey Buick LeSabre. Lodi 2 Grey Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, Lodi 3 is my Grey 2018 Ram 3500. Old Creedence CW for you old farts.

Peace
Sounds like you're stuck in Lodi!!!!

[JJaxon]

I had a 2017 Ram 2500, cc 4x4, diesel. Payload was far below what I needed. I went up to the same truck but 2019 3500 single rear wheel, 4200lbs payload. Even in that category 3500s are not all created equal. Find a truck you like and first ask what the yellow ringed sticker inside the door says that truck is. Do not go by the website numbers for a truck, they are general, you need specific. I found a difference of as much as 600lbs on similar equipped trucks. Buy the payload you need, for safety, you wont regret it.

[sourdough]

It’s a gorgeous truck, but there are no big rebates right now on the Ram HD trucks. So it’s to pricy to trade. I have a Bighorn 2018 with the HO Cummins and the Aisin. But I eventually want to go with a long bed truck.

This dealer is a very good friend of mine and he knows how to read a payload sticker. I saw another one tonight at Performance Ram. All White. Payload sticker was like 4065.

But my dream truck was there. The medium grey, limited, dually. Lodi 4.

Gorgeous. I may try to trade on that one. Lodi 1 was a 1989 Grey Buick LeSabre. Lodi 2 Grey Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, Lodi 3 is my Grey 2018 Ram 3500. Old Creedence CW for you old farts.

Peace

Old farts? CCW? Why I knew them boys afore they knowd what a geetar streeng wuz.

As far as Lodi 4....go get it this weekend and post back with pics. On my road to being an "old fart" the first time I looked back and said "I wish I had xxxxx (done this, bought that)....." I told DW "that ain't happenin again"; we won't be back down this road again so we've gotta take it all in on this first ride.

[Rayray04]

A 3/4 ton of any kind, and particularly a diesel, is incapable of safely towing either of those trailers. What is the payload/gvw/gawr/gvw for that vehicle? Having owned one I can tell you it's not enough to safely "carry", not "pull", those trailers.

When everything you read says you shouldn't do it.... Look at the numbers realistically, don't try to find reasons you have a "special" situation. They are what they are and you need to adjust down on trailer expectations or up in truck size... Here's a Cedar Creek 33lk; beyond a 3/4;

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/fifth-wheels/cedar-creek-silverback-edition/33IK/1118

Please note that the brochure pin weight is meaningless. Take 20% of the gvw of the trailer and subtract it from the payload of that 3/4 truck...what's that leave?


Question .. why are we using the gvw of trailer?,, what if we don’t max out the gvw of the trailer?,, my trailer is 11500lbs dry and the max weight I put in it about 1000 lbs .. which brings down the payload,, no?

[MarkEHansen]

You really should use the actual weight of the trailer, which you can get by taking it to the scales and getting it weighed.

However, as an estimation, I use the GVW, since I need to be concerned about not just what it weighs today, but what it might weigh in the future, as stuff inevitably gets added.

Keep in mind that when you weigh the trailer with empty holding tanks, you simply can't guarantee that you will never pull the trailer with full tanks. Stuff happens. I want to be prepared for that.

[sourdough]

Question .. why are we using the gvw of trailer?,, what if we don’t max out the gvw of the trailer?,, my trailer is 11500lbs dry and the max weight I put in it about 1000 lbs .. which brings down the payload,, no?


Mark addressed your question well. As he said, all those things a person does to rationalize getting a trailer that will be over the truck gvw; "I travel light", I'll never carry water, I just travel a few miles, and on and on etc. are not wise.

Of course a person could buy a 12000 lb. dry trailer and throw in a toothpick and be done and always be light....but it's sure hard to enjoyable camp that way. My trailer is approx. the same as yours dry; there's no way we can travel and do what we do with 1000lbs. of gear, and I carry a load in my truck as well.

All that to say that trying to "get by" with a "too small" truck by saying you'll always be light is just fooling yourself. Just like running with empty tanks; there WILL come a time that you travel with liquid in them due any number of circumstances.

No matter what you load you use the gvw in calculations to keep you safe and give you a cushion. Then, you need to take it to a scale to make absolutely sure that "little bit of stuff" didn't suddenly grow and put you over gvw of the trailer.

[Kebees42]

The diesel engine is much heavier than your gasser, reducing the payload.

I pulled my new fifth wheel home today about 70 miles and the truck handled it great. I have about a thousand more lbs of payload over the Cummins.

[Rayray04]

Thank you ,, makes sense I use up my tow truck from a 250 to 350 ,,gives me little more payload capacity

[CedarCreekWoody]

Key TV? KEY TV?? If it had KeyTV I'd be in the middle of gutting it like I'm going to do when I get home. Not reading back but didn't he post the payload on that truck? Like 4240?

I was working with a tech last week and he told me Keystone is not putting Key TV in new units now. Too many problems. Mine is the standard cabling (not Key tv) but I still had issues.

[Big1]

I was working with a tech last week and he told me Keystone is not putting Key TV in new units now. Too many problems. Mine is the standard cabling (not Key tv) but I still had issues.


Well, with that all they have to do is to put better coax cable and take all the splitter out or is it that simple, unless that their is something else but I talking to Dish Network cs and she told me that there system don't like splitter.

[travelin texans]

Question .. why are we using the gvw of trailer?,, what if we don’t max out the gvw of the trailer?,, my trailer is 11500lbs dry and the max weight I put in it about 1000 lbs .. which brings down the payload,, no?

You also have to realize that once that RV reached the dealers lot there were batteries, propane & possibly added water to the tanks, that will never be completely empty again, by the dealer that increased that dry weight by a couple hundred pounds.