Eco-Boost guys eat your hearts out

[wiredgeorge]

Well, the Eco-boost is semi-obsolete with the onset of the POWERBOOST! 12K towing capability! All the article talked about is a short bed, crew cab 4x4 and I bet that 1/2 ton will have a 1000 lb payload like most. MARKETING HYPE prevails. Bet they have commercials of this new F150 dragging the Queen Mary down the road. A hybrid truck? How did that work for Chevy/GM? I just can't understand why the need for more power if your truck really can't be used truck-like (towing / hauling). The new F150 does have 11 grille options if I read right. Now there is an upgrade. :banghead:



From Road & Track:



The biggest change is the new PowerBoost hybrid powertrain option, the first true hybrid truck since GM's ill-fated Silverado and Sierra hybrids. But this isn't just the eco-friendly option; by pairing a 35-kilowatt electric motor to the already potent EcoBoost 3.5-liter turbocharged V-6, Ford says the PowerBoost will offer more power than any other light-duty truck. Cruising range should exceed 700 miles and the tow rating will be above 12,000 pounds. It'll also be available on every trim and in both rear-wheel- and four-wheel-drive configurations.

[travelin texans]

Well, the Eco-boost is semi-obsolete with the onset of the POWERBOOST! 12K towing capability! All the article talked about is a short bed, crew cab 4x4 and I bet that 1/2 ton will have a 1000 lb payload like most. MARKETING HYPE prevails. Bet they have commercials of this new F150 dragging the Queen Mary down the road. A hybrid truck? How did that work for Chevy/GM? I just can't understand why the need for more power if your truck really can't be used truck-like (towing / hauling). The new F150 does have 11 grille options if I read right. Now there is an upgrade. :banghead:



From Road & Track:



The biggest change is the new PowerBoost hybrid powertrain option, the first true hybrid truck since GM's ill-fated Silverado and Sierra hybrids. But this isn't just the eco-friendly option; by pairing a 35-kilowatt electric motor to the already potent EcoBoost 3.5-liter turbocharged V-6, Ford says the PowerBoost will offer more power than any other light-duty truck. Cruising range should exceed 700 miles and the tow rating will be above 12,000 pounds. It'll also be available on every trim and in both rear-wheel- and four-wheel-drive configurations.

I can see an entire new series of threads of newbies that have been bitten by this latest hype asking about towing their 35' 5th wheel with this "ALL POWERFUL" new Ford & being pissed at the "weight police" here for telling them it ain't up to the task.
We've got forum subject matter garauntied now for the foreseeable future! THANK YOU FORD!

[flybouy]

Danny not to worry, Toyota will send us "newbie weight police fodder" if Ford doesn't. :lol:

[JRTJH]

Another feature in that article that hasn't been commented about is the "built in optional generators. There are three options, a 2KW, 2.4KW and 7.2KW generators. My guess is that Ford has found a way to "tap the electrical charging system on the engine to produce "usable power" for other purposes.

One nice thing about that, if you can keep your truck idling for prolonged time frames, is at least the exhaust noise on a F150 is quieter than the typical construction generator. The last couple of F150's I walked by that were idling sounded more like a "whisper" than a "popcorn machine"...

Now, if Ford starts incorporating that "generator option" in the SuperDuty line, it will solve much of the "residential refrigerator/air conditioner/interior heat" problems with the current "inverter/residential refrigerator power" and "don't operate the refrigerator is the cabin temperature is above 110F"...

It would also make for a much more comfortable stop at a rest area for lunch and in having a cool trailer when stopping for the evening at a campground.

[cavediver]

Well, the Eco-boost is semi-obsolete with the onset of the POWERBOOST! 12K towing capability! All the article talked about is a short bed, crew cab 4x4 and I bet that 1/2 ton will have a 1000 lb payload like most. MARKETING HYPE prevails. Bet they have commercials of this new F150 dragging the Queen Mary down the road. A hybrid truck? How did that work for Chevy/GM? I just can't understand why the need for more power if your truck really can't be used truck-like (towing / hauling). The new F150 does have 11 grille options if I read right. Now there is an upgrade. :banghead:



From Road & Track:



The biggest change is the new PowerBoost hybrid powertrain option, the first true hybrid truck since GM's ill-fated Silverado and Sierra hybrids. But this isn't just the eco-friendly option; by pairing a 35-kilowatt electric motor to the already potent EcoBoost 3.5-liter turbocharged V-6, Ford says the PowerBoost will offer more power than any other light-duty truck. Cruising range should exceed 700 miles and the tow rating will be above 12,000 pounds. It'll also be available on every trim and in both rear-wheel- and four-wheel-drive configurations.
My question is how did they get the queen Mary on the trailer?

[Badbart56]

Ford had some hybrid Escort wagons as I recall when I worked there in 2011-2012. IIRC they were approaching the magical 7 year mark were the battery was due to be replaced. They wouldn't even accept them for trade. The battery cost in excess of $4000 I believe.

[JRTJH]

Ford had some hybrid Escort wagons as I recall when I worked there in 2011-2012. IIRC they were approaching the magical 7 year mark were the battery was due to be replaced. They wouldn't even accept them for trade. The battery cost in excess of $4000 I believe.

Same with any electric or gas/electric hybrid... The battery cost is a significant part of the overall "upcharge for the technology"... Even in golf carts, if it's an older cart with old batteries it's worth about $1000 less than the same cart with "brand new batteries"....

Think any fifth wheel with a GP 24 vs a 10 unit lithium battery pack. That's $59 vs $10,000 in battery cost difference....

I wonder how much of the "federal government rebate/income tax deductions" Ford is trying to capitalize on in purchase price/rebates/tax incentives" in the "sticker price" of those hybrid trucks ??? Cheaper now, costs a "king's ransom" when new batteries are needed.....

[travelin texans]

My question is how did they get the queen Mary on the trailer?

The truck manufacturers keep upping their tow ratings then their advertising has them towing the QM, million pound rail cars or space shuttle none of which are putting weight any on the truck but using tow straps so payload doesn't come into play. By this method you could probably move those things with your Prius once that started to move.

[NH_Bulldog]

Well, the Eco-boost is semi-obsolete with the onset of the POWERBOOST! 12K towing capability! All the article talked about is a short bed, crew cab 4x4 and I bet that 1/2 ton will have a 1000 lb payload like most. MARKETING HYPE prevails. Bet they have commercials of this new F150 dragging the Queen Mary down the road. A hybrid truck? How did that work for Chevy/GM? I just can't understand why the need for more power if your truck really can't be used truck-like (towing / hauling). The new F150 does have 11 grille options if I read right. Now there is an upgrade. :banghead:




From Road & Track:



The biggest change is the new PowerBoost hybrid powertrain option, the first true hybrid truck since GM's ill-fated Silverado and Sierra hybrids. But this isn't just the eco-friendly option; by pairing a 35-kilowatt electric motor to the already potent EcoBoost 3.5-liter turbocharged V-6, Ford says the PowerBoost will offer more power than any other light-duty truck. Cruising range should exceed 700 miles and the tow rating will be above 12,000 pounds. It'll also be available on every trim and in both rear-wheel- and four-wheel-drive configurations.


George, what F-150 Crew Cab has a 1,000 lb. cargo capacity?

My 3.5L Ecoboost SuperCrew has over 3,000 lb. in cargo capacity and every one I looked at before we bought this one had right around 2,000 lbs. cargo capacity (All according to the cargo and loading sticker on the door frame). I am not a “Ford Guy” (this is my first Ford), but I do believe in accurate facts.

[sourdough]

George, what F-150 Crew Cab has a 1,000 lb. cargo capacity?

My 3.5L Ecoboost SuperCrew has over 3,000 lb. in cargo capacity and every one I looked at before we bought this one had right around 2,000 lbs. cargo capacity (All according to the cargo and loading sticker on the door frame). I am not a “Ford Guy” (this is my first Ford), but I do believe in accurate facts.


Not to be argumentative, and I know many folks love Ford. In fact they were my brand for many years and I bought lots of new trucks from them but they turned to mush....90s - probably along with all those Firestone tires.:flowers:

What I really find irritating with Ford is that unlike Ram or GM? they live and die by a generic brochure (always posting best possible numbers) that can't get specific enough about a truck to tell anyone anything unless you go to a lot and open a door to see what THAT truck can do.....and it won't be anything like the "brochure".

Case in point Ford F150 towing spec brochure 2019;

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/19Towing_Ford_F150_Oct25.pdf

Some things to note;

1st page; 3.3 V6, max tow and max payload = 7700 and 1990 respectively. Wow! Impressive....and unbelievable. Strangely page 2 indicates the 3.3 with the 3.55 (which is what most will have) only has a max tow rating of 5000lbs.?? Also note that the gcvwr is 9800 (supercab/supercrew which is what most will be). If I look at that and I subtract that small 5000 lb. trailer I'm going to tow from it I have 4800 lbs. for my truck which will have to include payload ..... Smoke and mirrors.

So in reference to the question of what F150 has a 1k payload? Probably a lot if equipped like that. Probably not if an Ecoboost or V8.

Not knocking Fords, just their documentation and advertising.

[JRTJH]

George, what F-150 Crew Cab has a 1,000 lb. cargo capacity?

My 3.5L Ecoboost SuperCrew has over 3,000 lb. in cargo capacity and every one I looked at before we bought this one had right around 2,000 lbs. cargo capacity (All according to the cargo and loading sticker on the door frame). I am not a “Ford Guy” (this is my first Ford), but I do believe in accurate facts.

The 2020 F150 Raptor CC 3.5 HO Ecoboost has a payload listed in the Ford specifications chart at 1000 pounds: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/

While not "typical of F150 payload ratings" both Ford (Raptor) and RAM (Power Wagon) have significantly reduced payload capacity. It comes from the "long travel suspension" which is required to compete in the "Baja environment"... Specialty trucks that obviously are not intended to be the "jack of all trades" especially not towing and carrying....

So, yes, that "1000 pound payload F150 does exist.....

[NH_Bulldog]

The 2020 F150 Raptor CC 3.5 HO Ecoboost has a payload listed in the Ford specifications chart at 1000 pounds: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/

While not "typical of F150 payload ratings" both Ford (Raptor) and RAM (Power Wagon) have significantly reduced payload capacity. It comes from the "long travel suspension" which is required to compete in the "Baja environment"... Specialty trucks that obviously are not intended to be the "jack of all trades" especially not towing and carrying....

So, yes, that "1000 pound payload F150 does exist.....

Yes, there are a few out there.....a few. Certainly not “most” like what was stated in the original post. I had a Power Wagon, but never towed a trailer with it, but I did with my Ram 2500 Quad Cab. If I had a Raptor, I wouldn’t use that for towing either, but I did with my Sierra 1500 Z71. Since this is a forum for trailers and towing, I just questioned why the term “most” was used, especially since “most” F-150’s are NOT Raptors and “most” F-150’s DO have substantially more than 1,000 lbs. cargo capacity.

[Brantlyj]

George, what F-150 Crew Cab has a 1,000 lb. cargo capacity?

My 3.5L Ecoboost SuperCrew has over 3,000 lb. in cargo capacity and every one I looked at before we bought this one had right around 2,000 lbs. cargo capacity (All according to the cargo and loading sticker on the door frame). I am not a “Ford Guy” (this is my first Ford), but I do believe in accurate facts.

I’m guessing it was tongue in cheek....

[Brantlyj]

Ford had some hybrid Escort wagons as I recall when I worked there in 2011-2012. IIRC they were approaching the magical 7 year mark were the battery was due to be replaced. They wouldn't even accept them for trade. The battery cost in excess of $4000 I believe.

We bought a 2005 Honda Accord hybrid. I wisely bought a 120,000 mile warranty cause I had a feeing the battery pack would t make it that long. Sure enough around 80,000 miles it crapped out. Car ran fine without the battery but since I had the warranty I replaced it. Would have cost $5000 with the labor. Saved me $4100 as I paid $900 for the warranty.
Traded it at 110,00 miles. Tried to sell but no one would touch it. Didn’t get a great trade for it either.

[Getn off]

I was naive and fell for the 2016 F150 3.5 EB. Brochure, and salesman, said max towing on “this truck” is 11,900! Hell yea!
Bought it then started looking at trailers. Momma wanted a fifth wheel. No problem, I just bought the “mac daddy” from Ford. Almost signed on a smaller 5er. The salesman told me my truck will tow it just fine. Numbers didnt add up tho, and I even had the max payload. Problem is, I also had the 20” wheels, 4 door, and lots of heavy options. We were maxed out with an empty trailer! Wife told me to trade the truck for one that will tow the 5er that she now wanted. Ended up with a drw F 350 TT with max payload and max tow.
Thank God the wife was running that train, or there would be nothing left of me! Haha
Troy

[gearhead]

How much would the batteries for that F150 weigh? How does that not effect the GVWR, payload, etc?

[JRTJH]

How much would the batteries for that F150 weigh? How does that not effect the GVWR, payload, etc?

My guess is (without seeing the specs on the truck) that Ford increased the max towing capacity from 11,200 to 12,000 so the 800 pounds of batteries can be included in the "max towing capacity"... They'll likely find some more "smoke and mirrors" to accommodate the low payload capacity... Maybe increase the GVW from 7200 to 8000 and call it a "max payload package, free with every hybrid F150"...

[Badbart56]

My guess is (without seeing the specs on the truck) that Ford increased the max towing capacity from 11,200 to 12,000 so the 800 pounds of batteries can be included in the "max towing capacity"... They'll likely find some more "smoke and mirrors" to accommodate the low payload capacity... Maybe increase the GVW from 7200 to 8000 and call it a "max payload package, free with every hybrid F150"...

California just passed a bill that will phase out commercial diesel trucks over the next 25 years. (can our RV tow vehicles be far behind?) It will first start by denying registration for trucks built before 2011 and will end by denying any new diesels sold by 2045. So by doing this it's clear that they expect electric trucks to have advanced enough to do what the present commercial trucks are capable of now. I say this with a smirk on my face because even in 25 years I'm VERY skeptical that this will be possible. My wife and I are team drivers. I run about 600-700 miles a night and she takes over and runs about 500-600 miles during the day. (The difference is due to more traffic during daylight hours.) We can refuel Once a day and refueling usually takes about 15-20 minutes. First of all, how much battery weight is going to be required to move an 80K pound gross weight across the highways and up the mountains on a rig this heavy? Empty weight on my present rig (tractor and reefer trailer) is 38400 pounds. So my max load is 41600 pounds. I can't begin to imagine the battery power it would take to move 80K pounds 70-80 mph down a highway. Secondly, there is no way you're going to recharge this much battery in the same time period it would take to refuel the diesel truck. And the range? Do you think someone could make a battery that could move this much weight 700 miles in one charge? That's around 10-11 hours drive time. I think they've set some lofty goals. Some of you engineer types may have some insight? I have my doubts that they will be able to get a car to go that far let alone a 40 ton truck.

[flybouy]

MHmmmm ...:ermm: How long before we get a post "can I plug my hybrid F150 into the same outlet that my 50 amp 1/2 ton fiver is plugged into at the same time? I need to charge it back up for the ride into town to buy some kombucha tea get my high colonic treatment .":popcorn:

[flybouy]

California just passed a bill that will phase out commercial diesel trucks over the next 25 years. (can our RV tow vehicles be far behind?) It will first start by denying registration for trucks built before 2011 and will end by denying any new diesels sold by 2045. So by doing this it's clear that they expect electric trucks to have advanced enough to do what the present commercial trucks are capable of now. I say this with a smirk on my face because even in 25 years I'm VERY skeptical that this will be possible. My wife and I are team drivers. I run about 600-700 miles a night and she takes over and runs about 500-600 miles during the day. (The difference is due to more traffic during daylight hours.) We can refuel Once a day and refueling usually takes about 15-20 minutes. First of all, how much battery weight is going to be required to move an 80K pound gross weight across the highways and up the mountains on a rig this heavy? Empty weight on my present rig (tractor and reefer trailer) is 38400 pounds. So my max load is 41600 pounds. I can't begin to imagine the battery power it would take to move 80K pounds 70-80 mph down a highway. Secondly, there is no way you're going to recharge this much battery in the same time period it would take to refuel the diesel truck. And the range? Do you think someone could make a battery that could move this much weight 700 miles in one charge? That's around 10-11 hours drive time. I think they've set some lofty goals. Some of you engineer types may have some insight? I have my doubts that they will be able to get a car to go that far let alone a 40 ton truck.

The first word in your post says it all.

[Badbart56]

The first word in your post says it all.

You are SOOO right!!!

[gearhead]

Apparently there is a Ford office door with a nameplate on it: Rube Goldberg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_machine

[travelin texans]

California just passed a bill that will phase out commercial diesel trucks over the next 25 years. (can our RV tow vehicles be far behind?) It will first start by denying registration for trucks built before 2011 and will end by denying any new diesels sold by 2045. So by doing this it's clear that they expect electric trucks to have advanced enough to do what the present commercial trucks are capable of now. I say this with a smirk on my face because even in 25 years I'm VERY skeptical that this will be possible. My wife and I are team drivers. I run about 600-700 miles a night and she takes over and runs about 500-600 miles during the day. (The difference is due to more traffic during daylight hours.) We can refuel Once a day and refueling usually takes about 15-20 minutes. First of all, how much battery weight is going to be required to move an 80K pound gross weight across the highways and up the mountains on a rig this heavy? Empty weight on my present rig (tractor and reefer trailer) is 38400 pounds. So my max load is 41600 pounds. I can't begin to imagine the battery power it would take to move 80K pounds 70-80 mph down a highway. Secondly, there is no way you're going to recharge this much battery in the same time period it would take to refuel the diesel truck. And the range? Do you think someone could make a battery that could move this much weight 700 miles in one charge? That's around 10-11 hours drive time. I think they've set some lofty goals. Some of you engineer types may have some insight? I have my doubts that they will be able to get a car to go that far let alone a 40 ton truck.

Hopefully they keep all of those in California!!
Next all those out there complaining about the use of fossil fuels will be bitching that ALL the wind/solar farms used to charge all those EVs are blocking their beautiful landscapes.

[Northofu1]

California just passed a bill that will phase out commercial diesel trucks over the next 25 years. (can our RV tow vehicles be far behind?) It will first start by denying registration for trucks built before 2011 and will end by denying any new diesels sold by 2045. So by doing this it's clear that they expect electric trucks to have advanced enough to do what the present commercial trucks are capable of now. I say this with a smirk on my face because even in 25 years I'm VERY skeptical that this will be possible. My wife and I are team drivers. I run about 600-700 miles a night and she takes over and runs about 500-600 miles during the day. (The difference is due to more traffic during daylight hours.) We can refuel Once a day and refueling usually takes about 15-20 minutes. First of all, how much battery weight is going to be required to move an 80K pound gross weight across the highways and up the mountains on a rig this heavy? Empty weight on my present rig (tractor and reefer trailer) is 38400 pounds. So my max load is 41600 pounds. I can't begin to imagine the battery power it would take to move 80K pounds 70-80 mph down a highway. Secondly, there is no way you're going to recharge this much battery in the same time period it would take to refuel the diesel truck. And the range? Do you think someone could make a battery that could move this much weight 700 miles in one charge? That's around 10-11 hours drive time. I think they've set some lofty goals. Some of you engineer types may have some insight? I have my doubts that they will be able to get a car to go that far let alone a 40 ton truck.

Where there's a profit, there's a way.

[Badbart56]

Where there's a profit, there's a way.

Wait, weren't we supposed to have flying cars by now?! Marty McFly said so.....:rolleyes:

[wiredgeorge]

California just passed a bill that will phase out commercial diesel trucks over the next 25 years. (can our RV tow vehicles be far behind?) It will first start by denying registration for trucks built before 2011 and will end by denying any new diesels sold by 2045. So by doing this it's clear that they expect electric trucks to have advanced enough to do what the present commercial trucks are capable of now. I say this with a smirk on my face because even in 25 years I'm VERY skeptical that this will be possible. My wife and I are team drivers. I run about 600-700 miles a night and she takes over and runs about 500-600 miles during the day. (The difference is due to more traffic during daylight hours.) We can refuel Once a day and refueling usually takes about 15-20 minutes. First of all, how much battery weight is going to be required to move an 80K pound gross weight across the highways and up the mountains on a rig this heavy? Empty weight on my present rig (tractor and reefer trailer) is 38400 pounds. So my max load is 41600 pounds. I can't begin to imagine the battery power it would take to move 80K pounds 70-80 mph down a highway. Secondly, there is no way you're going to recharge this much battery in the same time period it would take to refuel the diesel truck. And the range? Do you think someone could make a battery that could move this much weight 700 miles in one charge? That's around 10-11 hours drive time. I think they've set some lofty goals. Some of you engineer types may have some insight? I have my doubts that they will be able to get a car to go that far let alone a 40 ton truck.


You and your wife team drive? In the same cab? My wife is about ready to pull a pistol on my after 20 minutes headed to a camp ground (tend to whine a lot while I drive). God bless you both and thanks for making sure we have "stuff" during the pandemic! BTW: For all you F150 lovers, go through a car lot and look at the payloads for new F150s. You will just not likely see any over 2K if that much. People buying those 1/2 tons don't think about towing... just the smell of new leather seats and electronic gee-gaws.

[Badbart56]

You and your wife team drive? In the same cab? My wife is about ready to pull a pistol on my after 20 minutes headed to a camp ground (tend to whine a lot while I drive). God bless you both and thanks for making sure we have "stuff" during the pandemic! BTW: For all you F150 lovers, go through a car lot and look at the payloads for new F150s. You will just not likely see any over 2K if that much. People buying those 1/2 tons don't think about towing... just the smell of new leather seats and electronic gee-gaws.

Yeah, we'll have been married for 26 years come this Thursday. We get along better than most.

[MerlinB]

MHmmmm ...:ermm: How long before we get a post "can I plug my hybrid F150 into the same outlet that my 50 amp 1/2 ton fiver is plugged into at the same time? I need to charge it back up for the ride into town to buy some kombucha tea get my high colonic treatment .":popcorn:

That may be possible. My son has a Tesla Model S car. Whenever he comes to visit he recharges his car by plugging in to the 50 amp RV outlet I have on the side of my garage. Takes about six hours for a full recharge.

[Logan X]

The anti fossil fuel crowd is not limited to California. Ideas like banning diesel trucks may start here but that kind of “limited on actual facts eco science” has a way of spreading like wildfire in today’s climate (pun intended). I hope that reasonable people make reasonable laws and policies about this stuff in the future...but I’m not holding my breath.

[crk112]

I'm not sold on the Ecoboost (EDIT: in the half-ton)


Take my truck for example.. 2013 F-150 SuperCrew XLT 5.0L .. tow capacity 7,500lbs and axle gross weights 3900 in front and 3850 in the rear. Payload capacity 1448lbs on the sticker, but I've calculated myuseful payload at closer to 1150 after visiting the scales. My tongue weight is usually around 625-650. My rear axle scales in at 3650-- 200lbs below the gross weight.


Now, take the exact same truck except with an Ecoboost. The only number that changes is tow capacity (11,500lbs in 2013 Ecoboost). Same payload and axle gross weights.... I really can't tow ANY larger a TT despite having 4,000lbs higher "tow capacity".

[CaptnJohn]

You are SOOO right!!!

That's assuming God doesn't to use the fault He created and drop CA in the ocean.

[JRTJH]

I'm not sold on the Ecoboost (EDIT: in the half-ton)


Take my truck for example.. 2013 F-150 SuperCrew XLT 5.0L .. tow capacity 7,500lbs and axle gross weights 3900 in front and 3850 in the rear. Payload capacity 1448lbs on the sticker, but I've calculated myuseful payload at closer to 1150 after visiting the scales. My tongue weight is usually around 625-650. My rear axle scales in at 3650-- 200lbs below the gross weight.


Now, take the exact same truck except with an Ecoboost. The only number that changes is tow capacity (11,500lbs in 2013 Ecoboost). Same payload and axle gross weights.... I really can't tow ANY larger a TT despite having 4,000lbs higher "tow capacity".

But you could tow a "carefully balanced 11,500 pound flatbed trailer with concrete weights on it (like Ford does for the SAE certifications)... Far too many people "lump all trailers into the same category"... There are "trailers that can be loaded easily to balance tongue weight, there are trailers that experience minimal sidewind movement, there are trailers that "flow smoothly behind a aerodynamic truck" and then there are "big square boxes that invalidate everything about the above categories"....

Travel trailers and "Ford trailer limits" are two entirely different animals.... Sort of like saying, I like pickles and then trying to drink a gallon of vinegar. They might taste a little alike, but they sure aren't the same thing.....

[crk112]

But you could tow a "carefully balanced 11,500 pound flatbed trailer with concrete weights on it (like Ford does for the SAE certifications)... Far too many people "lump all trailers into the same category"... There are "trailers that can be loaded easily to balance tongue weight, there are trailers that experience minimal sidewind movement, there are trailers that "flow smoothly behind a aerodynamic truck" and then there are "big square boxes that invalidate everything about the above categories"....

Travel trailers and "Ford trailer limits" are two entirely different animals.... Sort of like saying, I like pickles and then trying to drink a gallon of vinegar. They might taste a little alike, but they sure aren't the same thing.....


Absolutely a fair point... the camper is the only large trailer I pull with the truck. But isn't a "well-balanced" trailer still supposed to be 10-15% on the tongue whether it's a TT or pallets of bricks? An 11.5k trailer full of bricks with 15% on the tongue would exceed my usable payload by several hundred pounds as well as the rear axle gross weight. The Ecoboost sits on the same exact frame and drivetrain right?

In my case the truck came first and we fell into the RV dealer trap of simply comparing trailer gross weight with tow capacity... luckily it could be a lot worse; I can stay under all the limits if the truck is empty (besides me, full fuel, and toolboxes). The rest of the family has to ride in my wife's truck. "Upgrading" to an Ecoboost would not improve that situation for me, and I bet I'm not alone.

In the end, the Ecoboost is still just a half-ton "light duty" truck.

[JRTJH]

Absolutely a fair point... the camper is the only large trailer I pull with the truck. But isn't a "well-balanced" trailer still supposed to be 10-15% on the tongue whether it's a TT or pallets of bricks? An 11.5k trailer full of bricks with 15% on the tongue would exceed my usable payload by several hundred pounds as well as the rear axle gross weight. The Ecoboost sits on the same exact frame and drivetrain right?

In my case the truck came first and we fell into the RV dealer trap of simply comparing trailer gross weight with tow capacity... luckily it could be a lot worse; I can stay under all the limits if the truck is empty (besides me, full fuel, and toolboxes). The rest of the family has to ride in my wife's truck. "Upgrading" to an Ecoboost would not improve that situation for me, and I bet I'm not alone.

In the end, the Ecoboost is still just a half-ton "light duty" truck.

At 15%, a 11,500 pound trailer tongue weight is 1725 pounds. At 10%, a 11500 pound trailer tongue weight is 1150 pounds. That's "several hundred pounds lighter" Actually it's 575 pounds lighter. Manipulating the trailer weight so it's "as light on the tongue as possible" enables the manufacturers to "claim outrageous trailer capacities" and still stay under payload and axle limits, but you simply can't (as you've seen and stated) do that with a travel trailer where, at best, you "MIGHT" be able to shift 1 or 2 percent off the tongue.

If you could "manipulate that "big square box that acts like a big sail" to get that extra 575 pounds, you might find that your family could 'fit in the truck and still be under GVW. But, would you be "safe" or "just barely under the GVW" ???? Ford, GM and RAM all "fill the squares in their brochures" to best each other and leave it to the customer to find out how it "won't work in the real world with a travel trailer" just as you've found that reality.....

[skids]

George, what F-150 Crew Cab has a 1,000 lb. cargo capacity?

My 3.5L Ecoboost SuperCrew has over 3,000 lb. in cargo capacity and every one I looked at before we bought this one had right around 2,000 lbs. cargo capacity (All according to the cargo and loading sticker on the door frame). I am not a “Ford Guy” (this is my first Ford), but I do believe in accurate facts.

My f150 2014 3.5L 4x4 screw has a 1520lb payload capacity. It pulls my 2019 Bullet 248RKS with full FW supply. I choose to pull the trailer with 1/2 FW tank and it really handles well on the highway, both up and down grades. Braking is good also. I wouldn’t want to go heavier with tongue weight and WD-hitch. I used a bathroom scale with full tanks and typical load and tongue was about 950 lbs. This is the reason I wanted to reduce FW tank load to 1/2 tank (reduction of 18 gallons or 150lbs - majority is a reduction from the hitch).

Even though Ford specifies that 9200 lbs is the maximum conventional trailer load, I wouldn’t want to pull much more than my Bullet. (6000 ish lbs.)

[Ken / Claudia]

Skids, just giving you my numbers for comparison. Without going to TLR for double check of scale wt.s 920 lb tongue, thinking 7700 or 7900 was tlr wt.
Loaded full of propane, 100 lbs of batteries, full fresh tank food and camp gear for 2 on 3 day trip. I wiill run and check the slip, windows need closing thunder /rain coming. Will edit if numbers are off.

[skids]

California just passed a bill that will phase out commercial diesel trucks over the next 25 years. (can our RV tow vehicles be far behind?) It will first start by denying registration for trucks built before 2011 and will end by denying any new diesels sold by 2045. So by doing this it's clear that they expect electric trucks to have advanced enough to do what the present commercial trucks are capable of now. I say this with a smirk on my face because even in 25 years I'm VERY skeptical that this will be possible. My wife and I are team drivers. I run about 600-700 miles a night and she takes over and runs about 500-600 miles during the day. (The difference is due to more traffic during daylight hours.) We can refuel Once a day and refueling usually takes about 15-20 minutes. First of all, how much battery weight is going to be required to move an 80K pound gross weight across the highways and up the mountains on a rig this heavy? Empty weight on my present rig (tractor and reefer trailer) is 38400 pounds. So my max load is 41600 pounds. I can't begin to imagine the battery power it would take to move 80K pounds 70-80 mph down a highway. Secondly, there is no way you're going to recharge this much battery in the same time period it would take to refuel the diesel truck. And the range? Do you think someone could make a battery that could move this much weight 700 miles in one charge? That's around 10-11 hours drive time. I think they've set some lofty goals. Some of you engineer types may have some insight? I have my doubts that they will be able to get a car to go that far let alone a 40 ton truck.

The Prius that we had charged the battery anytime you took your foot off the gas (Hybrid). It did not charge the battery by plugging it into a receptacle. Charging that depends on a power cord are ridiculous IMHO because of the cumulative inefficiencies. It takes a lot of power from the source to charge it, being coal, natural gas or whatever.

[JRTJH]

The Prius that we had charged the battery anytime you took your foot off the gas (Hybrid). It did not charge the battery by plugging it into a receptacle. Charging that depends on a power cord are ridiculous IMHO because of the cumulative inefficiencies. It takes a lot of power from the source to charge it, being coal, natural gas or whatever.

Regenerative charging technology has been a part of electric vehicle technology "almost from the beginning of the concept".

True electric powered vehicles "REQUIRE" recharging from an external source. That means "plugging them in". Only a minor part of battery charging is obtained while the vehicle is "coasting or decelerating" (not using battery power to move forward).

Hybrid electric powered vehicles have an "onboard generator/charger" that recharges the vehicle. Think a "diesel/electric locomotive that pulls hundreds of railroad cars on train tracks".... Most hybrid vehicles use a small gas engine to provide power to the wheels and that gas engine is augmented by electric motors which "aid in vehicle drive power. That gas engine has the "generator" also coupled to its output to recharge the batteries. There is MINOR regenerative charging during deceleration.

Plug-in hybrids use both an external source and an onboard gen/charger for power.

Bottom line, right now, there is no "customer available" electric vehicle or hybrid vehicle that does not use fossil fuel as a means to provide electric energy. Even the "plug in hybrids" rely on "consumer electric power" to recharge their battery banks. I don't know of any "consumer electric company" that does not use fossil fuels for at least a part of their power grid supply.

A "true fossil fuel free" transportation system is, at present "only a dream"... How soon, if ever, such a system can become a reality, even in a small transportation system is questionable. California may have mandated such a system by a specific date, but achieving it ???? Quite another consideration.

[notanlines]

If California mandates it, it will be done at the expense of federal taxes.

[flybouy]

If California mandates it, it will be done at the expense of federal taxes.

And at the expense of all consumers of that product.

[Edisteve]

I'm not sold on the Ecoboost (EDIT: in the half-ton)


Take my truck for example.. 2013 F-150 SuperCrew XLT 5.0L .. tow capacity 7,500lbs and axle gross weights 3900 in front and 3850 in the rear. Payload capacity 1448lbs on the sticker, but I've calculated myuseful payload at closer to 1150 after visiting the scales. My tongue weight is usually around 625-650. My rear axle scales in at 3650-- 200lbs below the gross weight.


Now, take the exact same truck except with an Ecoboost. The only number that changes is tow capacity (11,500lbs in 2013 Ecoboost). Same payload and axle gross weights.... I really can't tow ANY larger a TT despite having 4,000lbs higher "tow capacity".
What does your camper weigh? I have same truck and Wondering if I could safely pull 7600 lb 25RES, 5th wheel.

[travelin texans]

What does your camper weigh? I have same truck and Wondering if I could safely pull 7600 lb 25RES, 5th wheel.

Don't know about either of your trucks, but with a half ton truck the answer would be NO. The pin weight for a 5th is considerably more than a bumper pull, with only 1400-1500 lb payload you'll use up that very quickly with nothing in the RV or truck.

Edit;
The max tow weight advertised by your truck manufacturer means absolutely nothing, the payload posted on YOUR truck is the important number along with axle & tire weights, none of which should ever be exceeded.

[flybouy]

What does your camper weigh? I have same truck and Wondering if I could safely pull 7600 lb 25RES, 5th wheel.

The pin weight of a fifth wheel trailer is 20-25% of the trailer weight. If you take the low end (20%) of a 7,600 trailer the pin weight will be 1,520 lbs. More if the pin weight is his effected by the way it's loaded and much more if the 7,600 lbs. is the empty weight.
So that 1/2 ton truck will run out of payload before you factor in the weight of the hitch or the driver.

[Fishsizzle]

The 2020 F150 Raptor CC 3.5 HO Ecoboost has a payload listed in the Ford specifications chart at 1000 pounds: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/

While not "typical of F150 payload ratings" both Ford (Raptor) and RAM (Power Wagon) have significantly reduced payload capacity. It comes from the "long travel suspension" which is required to compete in the "Baja environment"... Specialty trucks that obviously are not intended to be the "jack of all trades" especially not towing and carrying....

So, yes, that "1000 pound payload F150 does exist.....

Trust this, we own one