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js0l0
05-10-2020, 05:14 PM
Hi Everyone!
Just picked up a 2020 (2nd half) Passport 239ML with the back door and walk-able roof. We had the dealer add a MaxxAir deluxe fan to the bathroom (removed the small fan). In the process of getting this all setup the way we want it. Its our first TT, and it seems to have the best layout for our family. Looking forward to the advice from the members of this forum!
There are a few things that I am trying to figure out.
1 - Has anyone added solid steps to this model? I am not sure if it is possible since the door does not open 180 degrees, and has the door extension stop in the floor.
2 - Best way to store the sewer hose. The port they put in the rear (since there is no bumper) is WAY too small. I have seen some suggestions about a 4" vinyl fence post, but I wasn't sure if there are other ideas.
3 - is there a way to add a roof ladder? Since this has a walk-able roof, there should be an easy way to get up there!
I am sure we will have other questions down the road, but I appreciate everyone's advice in the meantime!
Logan X
05-10-2020, 05:46 PM
Welcome to the forum!
I don’t have a sewer hose holder on my trailer. I keep mine in a clear sealed Tupperware bin, with all my sewer stuff, in the front pass through.
If I were to install a sewer hose holder, it would be this one
https://www.amazon.com/Valterra-Adjustable-A04-5094BK-Carrier-50-Black/dp/B01NA0K9YR
flybouy
05-10-2020, 06:49 PM
I use the same tube as LoganX cited. If you go the PVC post wrap you want to go 5" not 4".
Gary R.
05-10-2020, 06:58 PM
Hello and welcome to the forum, and congrats on the new Passport!
As to your roof access question, the way I understand it, is that if the roof is indeed one that you can walk on, the manufacturer would have attached a ladder. Our Alpine has one, although it is marginally adequate.
Take care,
Gary
Logan X
05-10-2020, 08:04 PM
As far as the roof goes, I was under the same impression as Gary. Only trailers equipped with ladders have walkable roofs. Here is a link to the manual, page 87.
https://keystonerv.avalamarketing.com/media/9141971/keystone-owners-manual-2019.pdf
Maybe your unit is different? Where did you hear your roof was walkable?
js0l0
05-11-2020, 01:42 AM
Thanks for the replies regarding the sewer hoses.
As far as the roof being walk able, both my dealer and other dealers have shown this as a new feature.
https://www.haylettautoandrv.com/inv/2020-Keystone-Passport-239ML-Coldwater-S1479/ Is one that lists it as a feature (but I didn’t buy from them).
Should I contact keystone direct to verify this?
NH_Bulldog
05-11-2020, 03:26 AM
I would defer to Keystone on whether the roof is walkable. Mine has footprints from the dealer tech that installed the MaxxAir II vent covers, but I wouldn’t call it walkable. The sewer hose storage is okay for a standard light-duty hose, and I have used one and stored there for two seasons without issue. However, I also have a RhinoFlex hose as a back-up just in case. When the time comes, I will cross mount it under the frame in the rear in front of the stabilizer jacks.
js0l0
05-11-2020, 03:39 AM
Thanks - I emailed keystone to see what they say.
Tdesrosiers
05-11-2020, 03:59 AM
Hi,
We just purchased a 2020 239 ML as well. We were told by the salesman that the roof was walkable, but when we did the overview at delivery, the tech indicated it is NOT walkable, and if you go on it, you need to stay on the rafters, which are visible just under the surface of the roof membrane. I'm waiting for customer service to open, and plan on calling them.
Mind if I ask you a question? I posted on another forum about the murphy bed not being level. The pivot point is about 1.5-2 inches too high, such that your head is lower than your feet if laying with your head towards the front of the camper. Took off the mattress in order to notice this, and there is a definitive height difference between the pivot point and the fixed frame where your upper body/head would be. Not to hijack your thread, but just wondering if you noticed this.
js0l0
05-11-2020, 05:43 AM
I will need to look at the pivot for ours. We haven't tried out the mattress yet, so once I get back to the TT I will take a look at this.
msubobcats
05-15-2020, 11:03 AM
Congrats and welcome to the forum from Northern Idaho. ENJOY
wiredgeorge
05-15-2020, 11:48 AM
You can put something on the roof to distribute the weight; this has been hashed a bunch of times on this forum. Plywood or some sort of panel works. Get a telescoping ladder; 12' seems about right. The ladders they put on the back are not that handy unless you are young, skinny and spry; I ain't.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/330lbs-Telescoping-Load-Retractable-Aluminum-Ladder-Non-Slip-Lightweight-Step-Foot-Extension-pad-Ladder-Loft-Capacity-16-5Ft-12-5Ft-10-5ft-Multi-Use-/210500417?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=18528&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=aud-430887228898:pla-51320962143&wl5=9027987&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=125216233&wl11=online&wl12=210500417&veh=sem&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp9meyNC26QIVBobICh09eg3qEAQYBCAB EgIX3fD_BwE
sourdough
05-15-2020, 01:56 PM
You can put something on the roof to distribute the weight; this has been hashed a bunch of times on this forum. Plywood or some sort of panel works. Get a telescoping ladder; 12' seems about right. The ladders they put on the back are not that handy unless you are young, skinny and spry; I ain't.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/330lbs-Telescoping-Load-Retractable-Aluminum-Ladder-Non-Slip-Lightweight-Step-Foot-Extension-pad-Ladder-Loft-Capacity-16-5Ft-12-5Ft-10-5ft-Multi-Use-/210500417?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=18528&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=aud-430887228898:pla-51320962143&wl5=9027987&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=125216233&wl11=online&wl12=210500417&veh=sem&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp9meyNC26QIVBobICh09eg3qEAQYBCAB EgIX3fD_BwE
George is on point with the ladder observation. Although my trailers have had ladders I use a step ladder beside them if I have to use the factory one to get on the rood (done it a couple of times) but use the telescoping as George referred to. I'm in the same boat; the young, skinny and spry parts have been lost somewhere along the way...:D
Bill-2020
05-17-2020, 06:42 PM
Hi Everyone!
Just picked up a 2020 (2nd half) Passport 239ML with the back door and walk-able roof. We had the dealer add a MaxxAir deluxe fan to the bathroom (removed the small fan). In the process of getting this all setup the way we want it. Its our first TT, and it seems to have the best layout for our family. Looking forward to the advice from the members of this forum!
There are a few things that I am trying to figure out.
1 - Has anyone added solid steps to this model? I am not sure if it is possible since the door does not open 180 degrees, and has the door extension stop in the floor.
2 - Best way to store the sewer hose. The port they put in the rear (since there is no bumper) is WAY too small. I have seen some suggestions about a 4" vinyl fence post, but I wasn't sure if there are other ideas.
3 - is there a way to add a roof ladder? Since this has a walk-able roof, there should be an easy way to get up there!
I am sure we will have other questions down the road, but I appreciate everyone's advice in the meantime!
We have a 2020 Passport (same as yours). As far as the steps go, I made custom steel brackets (4 total) that I mounted to the OEM step brackets and I was able to mount the 3 step solid step version that easily attaches to the outside skirt (not the fold up and in type). Leaving the folding ones in place for use at rest stops and such. PM me with an email address and I can send you the specifics with photos and such. You'll need to buy the steel plates, cut them, bend them and drill some mounting holes. Other than that, no, the other solid steps won't work because our door doesn't open flat against the wall.
js0l0
05-18-2020, 08:37 AM
Thanks for the info on those steps! I think I am going to replace ours with the Torklift scissor steps https://www.etrailer.com/RV-and-Camper-Steps/TorkLift/TLA8103.html?feed=npn&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvJnM-uu96QIVEJSzCh18RQEnEAYYASABEgLz7_D_BwE
Also - as for the roof - I had a telescoping ladder which I used, and it worked perfectly. Thanks all for the advice on that! While they state the roof isnt walk-able, I stayed on the rafters and had no problems (~195 lbs).
Bill-2020
05-18-2020, 07:02 PM
Thanks for the info on those steps! I think I am going to replace ours with the Torklift scissor steps https://www.etrailer.com/RV-and-Camper-Steps/TorkLift/TLA8103.html?feed=npn&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvJnM-uu96QIVEJSzCh18RQEnEAYYASABEgLz7_D_BwE
Also - as for the roof - I had a telescoping ladder which I used, and it worked perfectly. Thanks all for the advice on that! While they state the roof isnt walk-able, I stayed on the rafters and had no problems (~195 lbs).https://www.keystoneforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27425&stc=1&d=1589857322
Click on the picture it'll open correctly. Note, OEM steps still in place. Total cost $300. They fit perfectly in the cargo area and click into place easily. One of the best modifications I made.
PDMarlowe
05-21-2020, 08:27 AM
Bill-2020, I love what you did with the steps, and I am sorry for hijacking as well, but could you post close-up of the brackets. My wife would really appreciate me doing this on our trailer. She's never been happy with the flexing of the standard steps, especially when carrying food down for the picnic.....
Bill-2020
05-21-2020, 06:38 PM
Marlowe- I sure can. It’ll be a few days though. We’re headed out at the break of dawn for a long weekend with the camper in tow. I’ll have a chance then to get the pictures you’ll want once we settle in tomorrow afternoon and I crack open a cold adult beverage.
ranch.manager
05-23-2020, 05:14 AM
Unfortunately the dealer sold you a line of crap. The roof is not walkable. I have a 2014 and the salesman told me mine was walkable. There is no way to install a ladder as there are no structural supports to mount it to. Maintenance of the roof will be done one half at a time with a very tall ladder.
Bill-2020
05-23-2020, 06:31 AM
Unfortunately the dealer sold you a line of crap. The roof is not walkable. I have a 2014 and the salesman told me mine was walkable. There is no way to install a ladder as there are no structural supports to mount it to. Maintenance of the roof will be done one half at a time with a very tall ladder.
The 2020 models have a stronger roof (redesign with the new rear door) 3/8 plywood. Not exactly something that I’d make a habit of being on, but I have been up there to add vent covers, sweep and hose off and inspect seams. I’m 6’ and 230 lbs. No issues.
Tdesrosiers
05-23-2020, 10:34 AM
The 2020 models have a stronger roof (redesign with the new rear door) 3/8 plywood. Not exactly something that I’d make a habit of being on, but I have been up there to add vent covers, sweep and hose off and inspect seams. I’m 6’ and 230 lbs. No issues.
We’ve got the same model. Called keystone after following this thread. The roof is not walkable.
Bill-2020
05-23-2020, 11:08 AM
We’ve got the same model. Called keystone after following this thread. The roof is not walkable.
Well isn’t that interesting. Google this model on you tube, find a dealer that did a walk-through video by Hewlett RV. After watching his video I knew it’s the model and floor plan we wanted. I called Keystone looking for a dealer because I had to order ours, this model was so new there was no stock on dealer lots in our area. I had a long discussion with a rep at Keystone who answered many questions about this 2020 1/2 model, one being walkable roof or not. The answer I got was along with the door addition was also a walkable roof (not to be confused with a snow load roof in the western edition). Well, you’ve been told no, I’ve been told yes and that doesn’t surprise me one bit. I’ve walked my in-laws Hemisphere with a ladder and their roof feels the same as ours. Not to say that should ever be a deciding factor, but it was a comparison I took.
nanbert
05-23-2020, 02:12 PM
the mattress really is hard, we have had to purchase a 4" memory foam topper for ours. I have noticed that our feet are slightly higher than our head as well.
Tdesrosiers
05-24-2020, 11:39 AM
the mattress really is hard, we have had to purchase a 4" memory foam topper for ours. I have noticed that our feet are slightly higher than our head as well.
I ended up cutting 1 inch rigid styrofoam and set it in place on the fixed part of the frame (where your upper body goes) and that leveled it out. Don’t know why they make the pivot point so that it’s not level when opened.
Bill-2020
05-24-2020, 02:02 PM
Marlowe- I sure can. It’ll be a few days though. We’re headed out at the break of dawn for a long weekend with the camper in tow. I’ll have a chance then to get the pictures you’ll want once we settle in tomorrow afternoon and I crack open a cold adult beverage.
Marlowe- it’ll be tomorrow before in a get to this, I have not forgotten about you. There is a critical picture you’ll need that I can’t take until we return tomorrow.
Bill-2020
05-25-2020, 06:00 PM
Marlowe- it’ll be tomorrow before in a get to this, I have not forgotten about you. There is a critical picture you’ll need that I can’t take until we return tomorrow.
Step brackets. Marlowe, please see the images below this. What I did was make two brackets for each side (4 total) from 1/8" steel mending plates from Lowes. Both sets are bolted to the OEM step brackets underneath the floor and behind the black skirt. The idea is to get the brackets up behind the aluminum skirt and in front of the edge of the floor so that you can bolt the step brackets to what you made. There are unused holes in the OEM steps that I used to bolt mine to them (clamped the brackets to the steps, and drilled the holes in place). I can get you more measurements if you need. Best way is to make yourself a cardboard cutout and trim, bend, and modify to fit, then use that as a template to cut your metal plate then bend them where you bent the cardboard template. I used self threading bolts to attach the step brackets to what I made after I installed them because you can't get behind the installed brackets. #12 I believe they were. (click on each image and it'll rotate correctly)
PDMarlowe
05-26-2020, 06:15 AM
Bill, the pictures are awesome. I assume you are using the MORryde Quick Connect Steps with your brilliant design. I'll be heading out to our storage yard to make some measurements this afternoon and get started on the brackets specific to our Outback. Thanks again for sharing this great upgrade.
Phil (Marlowe)
Bill-2020
05-26-2020, 07:05 AM
Yes, quick connect. I kept the OEM steps on so that we can get in/out while traveling.
I installed a post sleeve painted it black and this is my bumper now :)
Idk how to add photos from my phone
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