Gas Grill plumbing question

[gspman]

I am the proud owner of a 2019 Couger half ton 29RKS. It has the outdoor kitchen witha propane grill and fridge. It has a lp quick connect under the slide for the attached grill.
My question that i hope you people who know more than i about propane plumbing is.
I want to put a quick connect T/valve off that port to run my Weber Q2200 and the rear kitchen grill at the same time if needed.

The q grill is set up to run off off 1 lb propane bottle and has its own regulator (i believe from memory)

Can i do what i wish or do have further mods to do to make this work. I am thinking the gas would be pressure regulated twice, 1 by camper and 1 by q grill???

help ?

[JRTJH]

Your Weber grill will not operate with "double regulators".

There is a regulator INSIDE the grill that drops the 1 lb bottle pressure to 11" WC. That regulator has to be removed in order for your Weber grill to operate on the 11" WC propane in the "regulated trailer propane system".

So, yes, there are additional mods required to connect your Weber grill to the "already regulated trailer propane system".

There are several threads on this forum on "how to do it".

I urge you: DO NOT USE AIR COMPRESSOR FITTINGS !!!! They are not designed to install in a propane system and may result in a fire/explosion if you "cheap out on fittings at Lowe's or Home Depot".....

[Camp CA]

Don't see why you can't. Just install the tee upstream of the rear kitchen propane grill's pressure regulator. Then run a new propane hose to the Webber's regulator. Recommend screwed vs. quick disconnects on propane lines.

[chuckster57]

Don't see why you can't. Just install the tee upstream of the rear kitchen propane grill's pressure regulator. Then run a new propane hose to the Webber's regulator. Recommend screwed vs. quick disconnects on propane lines.
As soon as the propane line leaves the tanks it is regulated.

[gspman]

thanks so much for the quick answer, i have a source of fittings at camping world.
I was thinking just getting a hose and fitting would work..
so thx again for the info

Scott

[chuckster57]

There are adapters available that allow you to TEE off the tank before the regulator and then just get a long propane hose.

[JRTJH]

There are adapters available that allow you to TEE off the tank before the regulator and then just get a long propane hose.

That would put "high pressure propane" in the "long hose"... Not an ideal situation. Even in travel trailers/fifth wheels, if the "high pressure propane line" travels across the trailer, there's a "step down regulator" on the tank BEFORE it connects "8' away".... The problem is that "high pressure propane" remains liquid and interrupts gas flow in "that long line"....

So, it will "work most of the time" but it's not "safe" to have high pressure propane in a "long flexible line"... Imagine what would happen if a kid tripped over the propane hose while running and pulled the HP line off the grill ???

[chuckster57]

John: yeah your right. I guess I am having a senior moment.

[travelin texans]

[QUOTE=JRTJH;383583.

So, it will "work most of the time" but it's not "safe" to have high pressure propane in a "long flexible line"... Imagine what would happen if a kid tripped over the propane hose while running and pulled the HP line off the grill ???[/QUOTE]

The safety valve in/on the tank would immediately shut off the flow, same as if a blowout took out the OEM lines or when you remove a tank for refill.
If adding your Weber, or any brand with it's own regulator, to an existing port the grill regulator WILL need to be removed.
I had a 25' long hose tee'd to my Weber from my tank for a lot years with never an issue

[JRTJH]

The safety valve in/on the tank would immediately shut off the flow, same as if a blowout took out the OEM lines or when you remove a tank for refill.
If adding your Weber, or any brand with it's own regulator, to an existing port the grill regulator WILL need to be removed.
I had a 25' long hose tee'd to my Weber from my tank for a lot years with never an issue

It will work "most of the time".... That said, using a "high pressure propane line" is not "the safest or smartest" method of plumbing a gas grill 20' away from the propane tanks.

Saying "it will work, worked for me a lot of years" is like saying, "My TK tires are 12 years old and I've never had a blowout".... That doesn't make it "safer or assure it meets any plumbing code" it just means you didn't blow something up for a lot of years..... Do what you want, where you want, but that won't make a "work around" the "best or the safest way of doing things, it just makes it another way of taking a short cut from the right way".... YMMV

[B-O-B'03]

I have done what you are trying to do, hopefully these pictures will help.

Let me know if you also want links to some for the things I bought.

After modifying the Weber Q with a quick connect fitting I also added a coupler and bought a hose for the the regulator so I could use the grill with a 25# gas bottle.

I have a 10 foot hose that connects the Weber Q to the gas port on the camper.

Make sure you ues the yellow sealing tape and not the white stuff.

-Brian

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[travelin texans]

It will work "most of the time".... That said, using a "high pressure propane line" is not "the safest or smartest" method of plumbing a gas grill 20' away from the propane tanks.

Saying "it will work, worked for me a lot of years" is like saying, "My TK tires are 12 years old and I've never had a blowout".... That doesn't make it "safer or assure it meets any plumbing code" it just means you didn't blow something up for a lot of years..... Do what you want, where you want, but that won't make a "work around" the "best or the safest way of doing things, it just makes it another way of taking a short cut from the right way".... YMMV

All the fittings, the hose, quick connects were purchased from a LP distributor designed for high pressure LP use. They were not a "work around" or "short cut" & it worked all the time, every time.
They were as safe as any LP fitting or connection the factory may have installed on any RV. Running rusty, corroded black pipe to the rear of a RV is probably not "up to code" either, but what did the factory use?
I worked for 30+ years on high pressure pipelines, one of which was LPG, so making safe, secure connections is something I'm well aware of.
As you said, you do, or think, what you will, I gave advice, safe advice I might add, to the OP so they can do what they want to do.

[JRTJH]

All the fittings, the hose, quick connects were purchased from a LP distributor designed for high pressure LP use. They were not a "work around" or "short cut" & it worked all the time, every time.
They were as safe as any LP fitting or connection the factory may have installed on any RV. Running rusty, corroded black pipe to the rear of a RV is probably not "up to code" either, but what did the factory use?
I worked for 30+ years on high pressure pipelines, one of which was LPG, so making safe, secure connections is something I'm well aware of.
As you said, you do, or think, what you will, I gave advice, safe advice I might add, to the OP so they can do what they want to do.

If I might ask: How do you work around the requirement for a step down regulator from the tank to the final regulator? That's a requirement from the tank to the final regulator in every RV application, even with dual tanks/one regulator, when they are separated by more than 5'...

[travelin texans]

Not sure of your question, but the grill has a regulator in this instance.
Yes the hose from the tank to the grill is high pressure, but with the safety valves in the tank & the POL fitting on the tank there shouldn't be more than a small puff, just what's in the 1/4" ID hose, if suddenly disconnected. With the added valve to that hose at the tank there's no pressure on the hose when not in use.

[jim1]

Hey check out propanegear.com they have conversion and quick coupler kits for most portable grills. I purchased on for my Coleman road trip portable and it works great.

[JRTJH]

Not sure if your question, but the grill has a regulator in this instance.
Yes the hose from the tank to the grill is high pressure, but with the safety valves in the tank & the POL fitting on the tank there shouldn't be more than a small puff, just what's in the 1/4" ID hose, if suddenly disconnected.

There is a step down regulator "REQUIRED" in all high pressure LPG systems used in RV applications where there is more than 5' of "high pressure LPG transmission." The purpose is not "safety" but to prevent the accumulation of liquid LPG in the high pressure line. By installing a "10' flex hose" without the step down regulator, the line is not in compliance with RV LPG installation requirements and can (not will) allow liquid LPG to accumulate in the flex line. That's "more than a "Pffft" of gas in a 1/4" ID hose if suddenly disconnected, provided the tank safety valve functions.

Check out any fifth wheel with tanks on each side of the front compartment, the "off regulator side" will always have a step down regulator BEFORE the cross pipe. That's the part "missing from your work around high pressure line", and the reason it's not the "best idea" to just run a 10' HP flex line from the tank....

[jim1]

And check out propanegear.com for their propane quick connect y-adapters

[NH_Bulldog]

I thought about the same thing for about 5 minutes on our first trip out ( we have the same outdoor kitchen set-up). I decided simple was better; I always carry a spare 20 lb tank in a milk crate in the bed of the truck anyway. I take it out, set it on the ground at the rear of my camper, attach a Coleman tree direct to the tank, and I can run a fry-pot burner, portable grill and a lantern on top. All fittings are standard and it’s safe and meets any and all codes.

[travelin texans]

If worried about using a long hose without a "step down" regulator then by all means do not do so.
You will however have to remove any regulator mounted to any grill if connecting after the RV regulator or the grill won't work. If your particular grill has the flame adjustment control knob built into the regulator it WILL NOT work after the RV regulator at all.
I will continue to use mine as I have it set up for another several years or til I blow something up, hopefully the RV LPG code police don't catch me.
Sorry to the OP for all the confusion! Hopefully you'll come to a safe solution with yours.

[Ranchhand]

I have done what you are trying to do, hopefully these pictures will help.

Let me know if you also want links to some for the things I bought.

After modifying the Weber Q with a quick connect fitting I also added a coupler and bought a host for the the regulator so I could use the grill with a 25# gas bottle.

I have a 10 foot hose that connects the Weber Q to the gas port on the camper.

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-Brian

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I did the same thing on mine except I just bought a Y fitting that quick connects into the fitting on the camper which allows me to quick connect to the weber grill and the cooktop in the outdoor kitchen at the same time. Except we hardly ever use them both at the same time. We pretty much just use the weber grill. Can not remeber for sure where I bought the fittings but I think I got them from Amazon. Did not use a second regulator though.

[rjniles]

I urge you: DO NOT USE AIR COMPRESSOR FITTINGS !!!! They are not designed to install in a propane system and may result in a fire/explosion if you "cheap out on fittings at Lowe's or Home Depot".....

I have used air compressor fittings for years to connect grills, fryers and other propane cooking appliances. My wife is a caterer so we use propane devices extensively. These air fittings are made to operate at a much higher working pressure than any propane supply. A caveat; use brass fitting not steel, non-sparking.

[flybouy]

I have used air compressor fittings for years to connect grills, fryers and other propane cooking appliances. My wife is a caterer so we use propane devices extensively. These air fittings are made to operate at a much higher working pressure than any propane supply. A caveat; use brass fitting not steel, non-sparking.

Can you buy me a lotto ticket before your luck runs out?

[Third Degree]

Use this adapter. It will plug right into the port extended propane line, and then into your grill.

https://www.etrailer.com/Propane/MB-Sturgis/100476-120-MBS.html

[travelin texans]

I have used air compressor fittings for years to connect grills, fryers and other propane cooking appliances. My wife is a caterer so we use propane devices extensively. These air fittings are made to operate at a much higher working pressure than any propane supply. A caveat; use brass fitting not steel, non-sparking.

I'd have disagree!
My air compressor is rated to 150 psi, the propane tank is 250+ psi.
If you're using air fittings after a step down regulator you might possibly get by, but if connected directly to a propane source you're treading on a very slippery slope.
If you're using the Milton brand, or some other top quality brand, of air hose fittings it would be just as cheap to buy the fittings designed for propane use. Hopefully you ARE NOT using Harbor Freight air hose fittings.

[rjniles]

I only use on the low pressure side after the tank regulator. 11" WC or about 1/2 PSI.

[rlh1957]

My 29RKS quick connect hose pulls out and can reach down and under slide to the quick connect fitting with on/off valve to the left if the slide just under the fairing.
Because of slide movement it isn't permanent connected.

[GeekSquadOfUn]

If this can help.

https://youtu.be/8a_-5ysjTiU

[jimborokz]

There is a step down regulator "REQUIRED" in all high pressure LPG systems used in RV applications where there is more than 5' of "high pressure LPG transmission." The purpose is not "safety" but to prevent the accumulation of liquid LPG in the high pressure line. By installing a "10' flex hose" without the step down regulator, the line is not in compliance with RV LPG installation requirements and can (not will) allow liquid LPG to accumulate in the flex line. That's "more than a "Pffft" of gas in a 1/4" ID hose if suddenly disconnected, provided the tank safety valve functions.

Check out any fifth wheel with tanks on each side of the front compartment, the "off regulator side" will always have a step down regulator BEFORE the cross pipe. That's the part "missing from your work around high pressure line", and the reason it's not the "best idea" to just run a 10' HP flex line from the tank....

Ok, so I have a gas tank on either side. I see where the tank on the DS runs into a red regulator before the pipe to the other side where it then connects to the main switchover regulator.
So my question is can I tee into the line after the step down regulator and then connect to my gas grill that has it's own built in regulator?

[JRTJH]

Ok, so I have a gas tank on either side. I see where the tank on the DS runs into a red regulator before the pipe to the other side where it then connects to the main switchover regulator.
So my question is can I tee into the line after the step down regulator and then connect to my gas grill that has it's own built in regulator?

I would say no. That's based on the regulator in your grill requiring a input from the 1 pound bottle or a 20 pound tank. That pressure is "roughly 150 PSI. The pressure in the line you described (after the red regulator) is 30 PSI. That "may be enough pressure" to provide adequate gas through your Weber regulator, but I'd guess it wouldn't be enough.

You're not going to damage anything by trying, so if you want to experiment, you might find it works. I'd suspect that you wouldn't get enough gas pressure at the Weber regulator to provide the BTU's needed to reach full temperature.

[jimborokz]

[QUOTE=JRTJH;384763]I would say no. That's based on the regulator in your grill requiring a input from the 1 pound bottle or a 20 pound tank. That pressure is "roughly 150 PSI. The pressure in the line you described (after the red regulator) is 30 PSI. That "may be enough pressure" to provide adequate gas through your Weber regulator, but I'd guess it wouldn't be enough.

You're not going to damage anything by trying, so if you want to experiment, you might find it works. I'd suspect that you wouldn't get enough gas pressure at the Weber regulator to provide the BTU's needed to reach full temperature.[/QUOTE

That was my initial thought, however, from that regulator with I agree maybe 30psi a pipe runs through the front storage area to the other side where it connects directly to the secondary regulator/switchover. The other side of that switchover connects directly to the other tank. So I have 150 -250 psi on one side and then it switches over to 30psi when that tank runs out and either one runs everything in the camper that uses gas.
I'm thinking it would work.

[travelin texans]

If you try your grill from the regulated side of your RV system you will have to remove the grill regulator.
I tried what you are suggesting with my Weber, yes it will light, with a VERY small non adjustable flame that would take about a week to grill a hotdog.
26113



Pick one of these (about $20) with a hose (about $20), length of your choice, add to your DS bottle, connect grill as is & in about 20 minutes you can grill yourself a steak.

[travelin texans]

Forgot the hose
26114
This will attach to the Y pictured above & attach directly to your Weber or any other device that the 1 pound bottles attach directly to, no regulator removals, no mismatched quick connects, turn the bottle on & fire up any device.

[jimborokz]

Though I wouldn't be connecting to the regulated line, just the step down pipe, I think your suggestion is the simplest and easiest and is sure to work.

[Nitehawk]

You will find everything you require at the link below and you can ask them any question you want. I have done exactly what you wanted and more .

https://propanegear.com/