2020 Super Duty Door Stickers

[Fishsizzle]

Buddy had these posted on another forum.

First is 2020 F350 6.7 long bed crew SRW Platinum

[Fishsizzle]

And a 2020 F450 6.7 Crew DRW KR

[ADQ K9]

Interesting that there is only a 221# difference in payload. I thought a 450 had a 16K GVW not 14K

[Fishsizzle]

Interesting that there is only a 221# difference in payload. I thought a 450 had a 16K GVW not 14K

Maybe Cab/chasis is 16k but don’t think ones with pickup beds on lots are but 14k just like 350

[ADQ K9]

My 350 has a 11500# GVW and 3392 payload. looks like they really have upped the payload on the SRW and that on is on 20" wheels, either way it wont fit in my garage. When I ordered mine I mad sure it would fit in my garage 18" wheels and no clearance lights on top, clears the door by an inch.

[Fishsizzle]

My 350 has a 11500# GVW and 3392 payload. looks like they really have upped the payload on the SRW and that on is on 20" wheels, either way it wont fit in my garage. When I ordered mine I mad sure it would fit in my garage 18" wheels and no clearance lights on top, clears the door by an inch.

Lot depends on tire size. Wife’s F150 had 305/55/20 and were 33” tall my F250 has 35/12.50/20 at 35” tall

Raptor has 315/65/18 at 35” tall

[vampress_me]

The F-450 sticker is interesting to me. Our 2019 F-350 crew cab long bed DRW Lariat has sticker payload of 5456 lbs. Wouldn’t think a King Ranch would have that much more weight initially associated with it. Especially when the 2020 Platinum crew cab long bed SRW is significantly higher than our old 2016 Lariat crew cab long bed SRW, which had payload of 3290lbs. (Granted, that one compares a steel 2016 to an aluminum 2020).

[Fishsizzle]

The F-450 sticker is interesting to me. Our 2019 F-350 crew cab long bed DRW Lariat has sticker payload of 5456 lbs. Wouldn’t think a King Ranch would have that much more weight initially associated with it. Especially when the 2020 Platinum crew cab long bed SRW is significantly higher than our old 2016 Lariat crew cab long bed SRW, which had payload of 3290lbs. (Granted, that one compares a steel 2016 to an aluminum 2020).

F450 always has about 500 lbs less payload than F350 due to bigger axles, bigger brakes and 19.5 tires. It’s a 16k truck parading as a 14k truck for tax purposes I understand

[roadglide]

It looks like Ford shaved 1000 lbs off the 2020 1 ton trucks . The GAWR is 7200 lbs 100 lbs more then my 18 1 ton Denali .The.
Ford is showing 4561 pay load , 800 more lbs payload than my GMC .

[Big1]

Wow, I like those numbers, maybe I should have bought a Ford 2020, lol.

[GaryUT]

Ford document that lists all the specifications for the 2020 super duty's.


https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2020/f-series-super-duty/2020-Super-Duty-Tech-Specs.pdf


I found this in the above linked document "Max Payload is in 350 Class Across All Super Duty's"


I did not know that they were making 14,00 gvwr F350's now.

[Fishsizzle]

It looks like Ford shaved 1000 lbs off the 2020 1 ton trucks . The GAWR is 7200 lbs 100 lbs more then my 18 1 ton Denali .The.
Ford is showing 4561 pay load , 800 more lbs payload than my GMC .

Or they just upped their GVWR for F350 SRW

[Fishsizzle]

Ford document that lists all the specifications for the 2020 super duty's.


https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2020/f-series-super-duty/2020-Super-Duty-Tech-Specs.pdf


I found this in the above linked document "Max Payload is in 350 Class Across All Super Duty's"


I did not know that they were making 14,00 gvwr F350's now.



I think they have been 14k on F350 DRW for a few years. There are a few threads on here talking about the F350 vs F450

[Fishsizzle]

What jumps out is the mere 200 LBS difference between the SRW F350 and DRW F450

[roadglide]

Or they just upped their GVWR for F350 SRW
I was looking at the white sticker the op posted from a friend 1 ton 2020 Ford SRW. 100 lbs different then my 18 duramax for GVWR.

[Fishsizzle]

I was looking at the white sticker the op posted from a friend 1 ton 2020 Ford SRW. 100 lbs different

Sorry was talking 2019 GVWR vs 2020

11,500 vs 12,400

[roadglide]

Sorry was talking 2019 GVWR vs 2020

11,500 vs 12,400

Correct I was looking at GAWR for 7200 a bit blurry . I'm thinking the new 10 speed Allison transmission may have shave off some weight. I can't find any info on what Ford did to there engine and transmission. We know what GM did to there HD trucks.

[Fishsizzle]

A little Ford Talk

https://youtu.be/Bs7qRrv5M_E

[Tbos]

Ford document that lists all the specifications for the 2020 super duty's.


https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2020/f-series-super-duty/2020-Super-Duty-Tech-Specs.pdf


I found this in the above linked document "Max Payload is in 350 Class Across All Super Duty's"


I did not know that they were making 14,00 gvwr F350's now.




My 2016 F350 DRW has a 14K GVWR.

[Fishsizzle]

My 2016 F350 DRW has a 14K GVWR.

I thought they had been for awhile now

[Tireman9]

All this info shows why you can't assume the actual load limits and tire inflation numbers for your truck can be based on what someone else has.

[CaptnJohn]

I thought they had been for awhile now

They have been. My 2016 F350 had the 14k gvwr. Still the payload was 3447. My 2019 G350 dually has the same gvwr and payload of 5598.

[bfisher003]

Wow! That’s 900 lbs more payload than my ‘18 F350 SRW CC SB 4x4 Lariat 6.7, GVWR 11,500 at 3,608.

[LewisB]

Our 2018 F350 DRW CC 4x4 has GVWR = 14,000 and cargo capacity = 5560 :D

[+Ruff Rider]

The only reason a DRW truck can have a higher load capacity is because it has 4 tires in the rear. Say each tire has a load capacity of 3,500# X4 = 14,000 pf load capacity where a SRW truck only has 2 tires. 3,500 X 2 = 7,000# of load capacity. Some tires have a higher load than others. Mine is just a example.

[notanlines]

Cap'n, if this were true "They have been. My 2016 F350 had the 14k gvwr. Still the payload was 3447." then your 350 would have weighed 10,553. If your 350 was SRW then it would have been 11,000.
Something doesn't add up. :confused:

[roadglide]

Notanalins I'm 11500 GVWR easer to exceeded then the 3550 pay load or 7150 GAWR RR with my truck.

[notanlines]

I understand they went to 11,500 in later years.

[Fishsizzle]

Pop in law just got his new KR today

[WDPatterson]

My understanding is that the F-450 has a thicker frame, a boxed frame, and the front end Dimensions between the two tires is wider. Furthermore, the F-450 turns tighter than the F350.

[wiredgeorge]

I have a 2006 F350 SRW CC and my door sticker says 3890 lbs or something similar. Wonder what was done to the newer trucks to give them more payload? An additional spring? Different shocks? Just curious.

[Fishsizzle]

I have a 2006 F350 SRW CC and my door sticker says 3890 lbs or something similar. Wonder what was done to the newer trucks to give them more payload? An additional spring? Different shocks? Just curious.

Marketing. Dodge did so Ford did. I really don’t think much is different other than saying a 2019 F350 is rated at 11,500 and a 2020 is rated at 12,400. They can put what they want in the door, within reason.

It seems to me that tires and the rear ends have always hand enough there. Better brakes, trans?

[JRTJH]

I think the only people who really know how the new ratings came about are the "committee to beat the competition" composed of marketing and engineering reps at each of the manufacturers. My bet is that they won't be talking.....

It "struck me as a movement to increase and reorganize" much like we saw when Ford introduced the SuperDuty in 1999. Prior to that, GVW's for 3/4 ton trucks were in the 7200-7600 pound range and 1 tons were in the 86-8800 pound range. The 1999 SuperDuty 3/4 ton SuperDuty was rated at 8600 and the 1 ton went to 9900 (if I remember correctly)..

I wondered, when I saw the GM ratings for the 2500, if GM was reorganizing to eliminate the 3500 SRW truck line ???? We've all "postulated for years" about the 3/4 -- 1 ton trucks being the same except for the sticker.... I wonder if maybe GM is planning to eliminate one truck line and have a 2500 SRW with a 12,500 pound GVW and a 3500 DRW with a 14,000 GVW??? That could eliminate the argument, simplify licensing and registration in states where the old "optional GVW" could be ordered to "beat the system" and put an end to the argument, "My 3/4 ton is really a 1 ton with a different sticker"..... :popcorn:

[flybouy]

To John's point,

I've been waiting for the mfg to eliminate the "blurry line" between the 3/4 & 1 ton PU lines and combine them into something that sells without penalties for going up a class in registration or insurance. I remember the "bid 3's horsepower wars of the 1960's. The insurance companies started penalizing buyers with high hp related rates. Detroit responded by "derating" the engines hp with a "wink and a nod" to the gear. heads.

Over the last couple of decades the industry has reduced the inventory by eliminating models (remember Pontiac, Mercury, Thunderbird,Dodge trucks, Plymouth, etc?) . Seems logical to me they would do this in the truck lines.

[Fishsizzle]

Just walked by. 2020 F250 Tremor Shortbed. This is like 700-800 more payload than my 2017 F250 Short Bed

[sourdough]

Just walked by. 2020 F250 Tremor Shortbed. This is like 700-800 more payload than my 2017 F250 Short Bed


Here's a link to an article I just pulled up. Seems it says the Tremor has less payload than "regularly equipped" trucks without the package and that would make sense; 35's, extra suspension etc. comes at a price. I'm assuming that sticker was from a gas engine truck?

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/f-250/2020/2020-ford-f-series-super-duty-tremor-first-look-earth-moving-off-road-package/

[Fishsizzle]

Here's a link to an article I just pulled up. Seems it says the Tremor has less payload than "regularly equipped" trucks without the package and that would make sense; 35's, extra suspension etc. comes at a price. I'm assuming that sticker was from a gas engine truck?

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/f-250/2020/2020-ford-f-series-super-duty-tremor-first-look-earth-moving-off-road-package/

Yes, on the F350 SRW you can’t get the 11400 GVWR if you get the tremor package (its only available on shortbeds)

And it is a diesel, not gas

https://shop.ford.com/inventory/superduty/details/1FT8W2BT4LEC10614?fromPopularBuild=false&zipcode=86403&year=2020&fyear=2020&ownerPACode=20346&altleadsource=bp&Dealer=20346

[rhagfo]

They have been. My 2016 F350 had the 14k gvwr. Still the payload was 3447. My 2019 G350 dually has the same gvwr and payload of 5598.

CaptJohn, if your F350 is SRW it isn’t 14,000# GVWR. Your payload sounds like a SRW with 11,500# GVWR.

[+Ruff Rider]

Ford upped all the towing numbers from 16 MY and beyond. The new trucks have 1,000 FT LB's torque and 800 HP LOL

[Fishsizzle]

Ford upped all the towing numbers from 16 MY and beyond. The new trucks have 1,000 FT LB's torque and 800 HP LOL

And 2020 has the 10 speed. Helps to mange the weight

[Ken / Claudia]

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

[Tuz5150]

I think the only people who really know how the new ratings came about are the "committee to beat the competition" composed of marketing and engineering reps at each of the manufacturers. My bet is that they won't be talking.....


All the Detroit Manufacturers, and Toyota adopted the SAE J2807 for uniform payload and towing standards back in 2015 or 16.
It's not determined by the marketing department any longer..........

[rhagfo]

All the Detroit Manufacturers, and Toyota adopted the SAE J2807 for uniform payload and towing standards back in 2015 or 16.
It's not determined by the marketing department any longer..........

Yes, gone are the days of magic payload and tow rating dust! There is now one set of rating rules.

[Fishsizzle]

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

I think in Fords advertising the the new alum trucks they stated they didn’t weigh less because they took all the weight savings and put them in thicker frame and beefier components

Then have just pulled new payload numbers out of their hats so to speak with the new 10 speed and bigger engine numbers

A 250 short srw was 10k in 2017-2919 now its 10800 on the 2020.

They couldn’t have changed the curb weight 800 lbs with almost everything on the truck weighing the same

[Fishsizzle]

2020 Loaded Lariat 6.7 F350 Short Bed

Payload 3493lbs

[Gegrad]

2020 Loaded Lariat 6.7 F350 Short Bed

Payload 3493lbs

A Lariat ain't a loaded model.... There are 6 trim lines for the SuperDutys and a Lariat is only #3, meaning there are two trims below a Lariat and 3 trims ABOVE the Lariats. :lol::lol:

[Fishsizzle]

A Lariat ain't a loaded model.... There are 6 trim lines for the SuperDutys and a Lariat is only #3, meaning there are two trims below a Lariat and 3 trims ABOVE the Lariats. :lol::lol:

It’s loaded for a lariat. Build one on Ford

[Gegrad]

It’s loaded for a lariat. Build one on Ford

I see what you saying.

[ADQ K9]

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

Ken, Mine is very similar to yours I have 11,500 GVW, FX4, Sunroof, and Snow Plow packages. Build sheet says 8333#, with aftermarket bed steps, bed cover, and running boards plus my fat butt brings it to 8640# on the scale. Payload of 3323#

[Ken / Claudia]

Thanks guys, I had a theory that just maybe by going to an aluminum body and maybe more lighter weight other items the trucks would be lighter.
That physical weight difference was allowing more payload. Looks like they are heavier and have still have more payload.

[ADQ K9]

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light :facepalm: More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.

[JRTJH]

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light :facepalm: More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.

It's the same with the Dodge Power Wagon. I believe the 3/4 ton PW has a payload of around 1420 pounds and a GVW of 9470. The Raptor and the Power Wagon are "sprung to bounce over sand hills in the desert" they are not "sprung to carry a heavy load"... The suspension is designed for a specific purpose of high speed travel over extremely harsh and bumpy ground. That "excessive axle travel, long piston shocks and wide tires that don't sink into the sand just don't make for a "high payload capability".

[sourdough]

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light :facepalm: More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.


The numbers aren't surprising given the intended use of the truck. When you forsake all truck virtues for "fast and light" you can't also be the best thing for "heavy towing". Many don't get that. I've seen a Raptor strapped to a full profile 5th wheel....:facepalm: It's got the "gittalong" but will always fall short on the "cojones". A "truck" is not always a "truck" and the world has now been inundated with specialized trucks which may or may not fit YOUR intended purpose. The due diligence is up to us.

[Fishsizzle]

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light :facepalm: More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.

Just bought the wife a new Raptor. Trust me, payload wasn’t even thought about

[rhagfo]

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

Thanks guys, I had a theory that just maybe by going to an aluminum body and maybe more lighter weight other items the trucks would be lighter.
That physical weight difference was allowing more payload. Looks like they are heavier and have still have more payload.

This is why we went from our 2001 Ram 2500, to the 2016 Ram 3500 DRW. That 3,178# payload would not cover DW, Me, and the dog and a 2,700# pin on our current 32' 12,500# 5er with a 2,700# pin.

Our payload sticker is 5,411# on a 14,000# GVWR, with us, hitch, fuel and in bed tool box the truck scales 10,000#. so we lost 1,411# before we have hooked up the 5er. This is the part many miss when looking at payload numbers. One can't use the entire payload for pin!

[ADQ K9]

Enter the Tremor package available on the 250 and 350 if you want to haul stuff off road. Only available in a short box. Ford may be aiming at the Power Wagon but may be also Raptor owners that want more.

[Gegrad]

It's the same with the Dodge Power Wagon. I believe the 3/4 ton PW has a payload of around 1420 pounds and a GVW of 9470. The Raptor and the Power Wagon are "sprung to bounce over sand hills in the desert" they are not "sprung to carry a heavy load"... The suspension is designed for a specific purpose of high speed travel over extremely harsh and bumpy ground. That "excessive axle travel, long piston shocks and wide tires that don't sink into the sand just don't make for a "high payload capability".

At the 2019 auto show last February the 2019 PW (6.4 gasser) I saw at the show had a 1080 lb payload...

[Fishsizzle]

Enter the Tremor package available on the 250 and 350 if you want to haul stuff off road. Only available in a short box. Ford may be aiming at the Power Wagon but may be also Raptor owners that want more.

There are “solutions” to help with payload issues with the Raptor to adjust for weight and back to fun. But I won’t talk about them here.

The Tremor is nothing more that a taller front springs to clear the 35” tires. Add some “off-road” shocks (not really), skid plate, Black wheels, fender moldings and a nifty side sticker. Lots of guys (like me) have done these mods to their trucks, Ford is just trying to get a piece of the action.

The Raptor is a BEAST. I love it. It’s also great for long trips. It soaks up the road. It’s pretty smooth. One of those trucks that you have to constantly look at the speedo as you are doing 80 mph easy.

L

[Badbart56]

Just bought the wife a new Raptor. Trust me, payload wasn’t even thought about

Don't try this at home kids!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ford+raptor+destroyed+jumping+a+hill&docid=607999985149938869&mid=BE27B9799D96013E91A5BE27B9799D96013E91A5&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

[sourdough]

Don't try this at home kids!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ford+raptor+destroyed+jumping+a+hill&docid=607999985149938869&mid=BE27B9799D96013E91A5BE27B9799D96013E91A5&view=detail&FORM=VIRE



A lot of "play" truck with a lot of stupid.....how does that go?.....Hey ya'll, watch this! Dang! Destroyed the truck, insurance doesn't pay and I still owe 6 years for these darn deployed airbags! You can't fix stuff like that.....

[rhagfo]

Don't try this at home kids!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ford+raptor+destroyed+jumping+a+hill&docid=607999985149938869&mid=BE27B9799D96013E91A5BE27B9799D96013E91A5&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

A lot of "play" truck with a lot of stupid.....how does that go?.....Hey ya'll, watch this! Dang! Destroyed the truck, insurance doesn't pay and I still owe 6 years for these darn deployed airbags! You can't fix stuff like that.....

You just can't fix it!!!

[Gegrad]

A lot of "play" truck with a lot of stupid.....how does that go?.....Hey ya'll, watch this! Dang! Destroyed the truck, insurance doesn't pay and I still owe 6 years for these darn deployed airbags! You can't fix stuff like that.....

In what universe was that ever a good idea with a non specially designed racing raptor? They very likely bent the frame... watch closely and the whole front end just shudders. That truck might actually be very close to totaled. One of those where the damage is MUCH worse than it appears from the surface. That video is over 7 years old, so not a new one, but darn. Morans.


(yes the spelling was intentional)

[JRTJH]

That video just reinforces my convictions about NEVER buying a used vehicle !!!

[Tbos]

The loaded pin weight on my Alpine 3651 is 3380 so no way we could have gone with a SRW.

[Fishsizzle]

That video just reinforces my convictions about NEVER buying a used vehicle !!!

It’s why we bought a new Raptor. Gen 1 raptors are notorious for bent frames behind the cab.

The trucks are designed to go fast and soak bumps on a ROAD course in the dirt. Not to play Nitro Circus with your buddies

Ford provides. FREE 1 school for all new Raptor owners. Raptor Assault. Headed to Tootle UT in June to take it all in, they provide the trucks thankfully. $5000 deductible if you break one.

[Eric363]

2020 F350 Lariat CCLB 6.7

[sourdough]

Nice looking truck. I'm amazed at the increases in payload for what are essentially the same trucks as before as best I've found. I would not buy a 2019 diesel due to the lower payloads (along with other things). Now, the way it's going I'm thinking wait a couple of years and a 350 will have a 5k payload..?? And the wars continue...:lol:

Something that worries me about a Ford, that I looked at today, what is the deal with those huge bed fenders (high). Now that I have a 5th wheel I don't see how I could consider a Ford unless I bought a lowering kit for the truck or a lift kit for the trailer. What they are doing doesn't make a lot of sense for regular truck/tow/work owners doesn't appear. :facepalm:

[JRTJH]

Danny,

The "height and cargo box sidewall height" are deceiving.

As an example, my 2015 F250 bed height is 37.8" (ground to open tailgate top surface) and the cargo bed walls are 20" (top of bed floor to plastic protector on top of the bed sidewalls) That's 57.8" ground to top of the box.

The 2020 F250 bed height is 37.2" and the bed wall height is 21.1". That's 58.3" ground to top of the box.

The 2020 bedwell is 1.1" taller than my truck but the truck sits 0.6" lower at the bed, so in reality there only about half an inch difference between the 2015 and the 2020 truck from the ground to the top of the cargo bed.

The F350 SRW is 0.3" lower to the ground than the F250 SRW (both 4x4's)

That said, when I pull up next to one at a stop light, just sitting in the driver's seat, it sure looks like the new F250's are "at least 6 or 8 inches taller".... They aren't (with a tape measure) but they sure look like they are......

[sourdough]

Guess I need to get out the tape measure. Had my contractor drop by today with a new Ford 250 and I would have swore it had to be at least 6" taller than my 3500. 1/2" is doable.

[JRTJH]

Every time I pull up next to a new one, I think, No way in hell I could even climb into the cab... But at the dealership, with a tape measure, there's not nearly as much difference as it looks when standing beside one.

[Eric363]

The 2020 is about 1.5" taller then my 2011 F250 at the open tailgate but looks massive overall in comparison. Supposedly the 20's are about 1.5" shorter then the 17'-19'. The ride quality is much nicer on the 2020.

[Fishsizzle]

2020 F350 Lariat CCLB 6.7

How long did the ordering process take, from sign to deliver?

Also, your dealer work with you on the price?

[JRTJH]

How long did the ordering process take, from sign to deliver?

Also, your dealer work with you on the price?

Your "best bet" if you can find someone who works for Ford or is retired from Ford is to get a "friends and family document". I've found that to be the "best price on "minimal discounted vehicles"... You can often negotiate a better deal on "end of year clearance incentives" but during the sales year, before those incentives kick in, the "friends and family" is about 5% less than the Sam's Club or Costco pricing discounts.

That said, ALL North American Ford assembly lines are closed and last Tuesday, Ford announced that they will not be opening on March 30 as planned. So, there's nothing leaving the assembly line, nothing starting on the assembly line and that's an "indefinite situation" right now. Ford has not announced any plans to reopen on any specific date, but you can bet they want to go back to work ASAP. When that happens is "anybody's guess" right now, so delays in delivery of special order vehicles "keeps building up in the "not started yet" computer list.... https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/03/24/coronavirus-kentucky-ford-plants-louisville-extend-shutdown/2906971001/

[ADQ K9]

How long did the ordering process take, from sign to deliver?

Also, your dealer work with you on the price?

When I ordered mine, it was ordered the day after Thanksgiving (Black Friday) hit town on the 5th of FEB up fitted with the steps and bed cover I picked up from the dealer on the 12th.
I was able to use Fords X plan in the end it was about 10% off the sticker

[Eric363]

I ordered mine on Feb 17 and was delivered on March 17. The Ford build tracker originally said April 1st delivery. I used Costco's auto buying program. That price was $72,498 a few hundred over invoiced. $1250 rebate, $2000 PCO for a total of $69,248. As stated before, Ford has stopped production.

[+Ruff Rider]

I think this will be a short M/Y
I bet when they start up it will be the 21's on the line. They will build out the 20 just because of the parts they have on hand that only fit the 20's. I believe they start the new MY in July maybe earlier. That way they can have cars to transport to dealers around the country. You might be able to get a deal on a 20. I don't know how dealers are handling the car. (maybe) shortage. I don't think they have many customers right now. Pricing could be good if that's the case.

[Eric363]

It could be a short model year, but I believe the 20's didn't start production until November. GM and Ram were much earlier in the year. FYI, I didn't discuss financing until I was able to take delivery after all the 0% and deferred payment hype. Ford's rates were terrible. With excellent credit the best they could do was 1.9% for 3 years or 6.9% for 5 years. All the 0% for 84 months were on 2019 150's and other leftovers. Nothing for superdutys. Maybe that will change after another month of shutdowns.

[+Ruff Rider]

I was looking at the GMC website to build and price a Denali for a friend and the site only has 19's. Whats up with that GMC?

[JRTJH]

I just pulled up the 2020 "build and price" website. Maybe you clicked on the "change to 2019 webpages". The link to "last year is in the upper right corner of the webpage....

[Tbos]

If I were to upgrade my truck I’d have to take all the weight including the 5th wheel hitch out. That would let me compare true unloaded heights.

[Fishsizzle]

I think this will be a short M/Y
I bet when they start up it will be the 21's on the line. They will build out the 20 just because of the parts they have on hand that only fit the 20's. I believe they start the new MY in July maybe earlier. That way they can have cars to transport to dealers around the country. You might be able to get a deal on a 20. I don't know how dealers are handling the car. (maybe) shortage. I don't think they have many customers right now. Pricing could be good if that's the case.

F150s are getting new interiors in ‘21 M/Y. Waiting to see if Superdutys get the new interior as well.

More than a few 19s Superdutys sitting on the dealer lot hear and when I search other dealers.

[Keystoned]

Anybody have a link to turning diameter specs for the new SDs? Didn't see it anywhere here or linked...I cut a tight U turn in my backyard to get out.
My current truck shows; 57.12' curb to curb and 59.72' wall to wall, so about 60' rounded up.

[Stircrazy]

Interesting that there is only a 221# difference in payload. I thought a 450 had a 16K GVW not 14K

the real numbers are in the front and rear gvwr and the actual weights of the trucks. on paper they are 1600Lbs apart but that depends on the actualy weights of the trucks.

Steve