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Steve's 70-5
12-02-2019, 05:48 AM
With all the hoopla about battery vehicles and Tesla coming out with a new truck. My question was about range when towing. Saw this video, it is 22 minutes long FYI

Was talking to a camper salesman a while back, he said battery Class A are around the corner.


https://youtu.be/-cvNfmL7XQg

+Ruff Rider
12-02-2019, 08:27 AM
With all the hoopla about battery vehicles and Tesla coming out with a new truck. My question was about range when towing. Saw this video, it is 22 minutes long FYI

Was talking to a camper salesman a while back, he said battery Class A are around the corner.


https://youtu.be/-cvNfmL7XQg
With all the talk about guys adding bigger fuel tanks to there trucks to increase range and make refueling easier a electric truck or class A will maybe in the 200 mile range. Then you have to stop and wait for the battery to charge. Not sure how many people want to twiddle there thumbs waiting for there vehicles to charge. I am not one of them.
Electric vehicles are just not main stream. On another note as the batteries get old they don't hold a charge as well to millage goes down. Neighbor had a Pris Hybrid and the battery went dead and he couldn't even start the motor because of the battery was bad.
I am just not sure why people think this is going to be the future of transportation.

travelin texans
12-02-2019, 11:52 AM
Years ago when the hybrids came out a friend at church bought a Toyota Corolla, keep it a year after finding the batteries weren't covered by warranty after the 1st year, $6500 worth of batteries, if needed replaced, in a $12000 new car!!! The 2nd year the batteries are worth as much, if not more, than the car.
These electric cars with only a 200 mile range IMO would be great as commuter vehicles in big metropolitan areas to help reduce smog & better the air quality, but don't seem very practical as cross country alternatives & even less as tow vehicles which probably shorten their range considerably.
Not to mention all I've seen are so damn ugly.

Bisjoe
12-02-2019, 12:47 PM
My F150 5.0 V8 will go over 700 miles on a tank of gas, but that's reduced to about 400 when towing our trailer. For me that's very acceptable for a long road trip, and when I do run low there are many gas stations to choose from and fill back up in 10 minutes.
The electric truck may be useful for the person who has a boat and only goes to the local lake launch, but not for a cross-country or even 2-3 state trip. As for a battery class A, I suppose they could use an on-board gas powered generator to keep it charged up longer but then what's the point of being electric? Even a whole roof of solar panels is not going to help that much when draining batteries to pull 13,000-30,000 lbs.

+Ruff Rider
12-03-2019, 07:26 AM
Here is another thing. Say everyone is forded to drive electric cars and they go to grandmas house for Thanksgiving and its a 3 hour trip each way and 10 cars show up, how many chargers does grandma have? Ops she doesn't have a car or a charger. Sorry Grams we can't show up so you starve. But wait there's more. Here in Ca they shut off the power so there won't be a wild fire and it takes days for them to turn it back on because they have to inspect the lines. Here you sit with a dead battery and stuck . This stuff sounds great on paper but in real life it just doesn't work.

flybouy
12-03-2019, 08:24 AM
At this point in the development I can only see a few uses for all electric propulsion. For inter city use where the vehicle spends more time stopped than going. Short commute to work or shopping/doctor's office. Place to recharge at home (either garage or assigned parking with charger.

For trucks pretty much the same circumstance. Inter city or urban delivery trucks where they get used a relatively short distance and have a long "down time" for recharging.

There is no arguing that electric traction motors provide the best torgue and control of the torgue as evidenced in their use in locomotives, large scale mining machines, cranes, ship propulsion, etc. It's getting sufficient power to those drive motors that limits the practicality. Batteries just aren't there yet, at least not in a cost effective way. For now, and the "near future" fossil fuels are the practical means as far as weight to power, distribution infrastructure, and yes less pollution considering current manufacturing and disposal availability of the batteries.

I have no doubts that "one day" they will get there, just don't have a lot of faith it will be in my lifetime. IMHO the current "feel good" approach to going all electric is folly as the manufacturing and disposal of the batteries is a dirty business. The power grid is not capable of a huge demand for electricity that all electric vehicles in great numbers would impose. Check it out if you think this isn't true. Find out when the last license was issued for ANY power generating plant was issued. I don't think wind or solar is at this point the answer either as the numbers just don't prove it to be economical.
JMHO

JRTJH
12-03-2019, 01:56 PM
About 7 or 8 years ago, Detroit had a big "hoopla introduction" for their electric city bus system... About 4 years ago, Detroit had a big "hoopla introduction" for their Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) city bus system. Last time we were in Detroit, I noticed that many of the "big busses" were diesel and most of the "smaller casino style" busses were gas powered.... I'm not sure what happened to the all electric bus system or the CNG bus system, but it looks like most of the public transportation is back to where it was 10 years ago.....

Canonman
12-03-2019, 02:49 PM
IMHO the pure electric car/truck right now, is a city commuting grocery getter at best. We, of any practically educated group, know a few things about batteries. The big issue is the charge time needed to to bring the batteries back from a depleted state. (No, Danny, I'm not talking about California:)
Any thought about just pulling up to a charge station and refilling the battery is beyond the "current" reality. It takes hours, not minutes to recharge an electric car. Certainly not practical for our needs.
Locally, our University, tried electric busses that received an inductive charge at multiple stops along the route. Way too much money required for the charging station infrastructure to make it practical. Plus, they'd have to buy all new busses and the route wouldn't cover 10% of the service area.
I'm visualizing a completely different solution. Anyone remember the old bumper cars at the carnival?? It'd take a lot of chicken wire, but I'd bet we could cover all the major interstates by the year 2050:lol:

sourdough
12-03-2019, 03:19 PM
I was thinkin we might be able to harness "compressed natural gas" from cows, horses and pigs but looks like CA is going to tax the owner for every time they expel those gases so like everything else, looks like going "natural" would be very costly!!:banghead::banghead:

Laredo Tugger
12-04-2019, 07:01 AM
IMHO the pure electric car/truck right now, is a city commuting grocery getter at best. We, of any practically educated group, know a few things about batteries. The big issue is the charge time needed to to bring the batteries back from a depleted state. (No, Danny, I'm not talking about California:)
Any thought about just pulling up to a charge station and refilling the battery is beyond the "current" reality. It takes hours, not minutes to recharge an electric car. Certainly not practical for our needs.
Locally, our University, tried electric busses that received an inductive charge at multiple stops along the route. Way too much money required for the charging station infrastructure to make it practical. Plus, they'd have to buy all new busses and the route wouldn't cover 10% of the service area.
:lol:
I'm visualizing a completely different solution. Anyone remember the old bumper cars at the carnival?? It'd take a lot of chicken wire, but I'd bet we could cover all the major interstates by the year 2050
If we cover all of the roads with chicken wire will the chicken still cross them? And if the wire is energized I guess the answer to "why did he cross the road?" would be, "he didn't". He got "fried". But that was going to happen anyway. ;)
Hey, that brings up another neat thing you can do with an electric vehicle,cooking..
"Fresh roadkill" would be a reality. But I guess you would have to decide if you want to sacrifice miles for meals (limited battery power).
No thanks, I'll stick with the diesel for now.
RMc

Laredo Tugger
12-04-2019, 07:03 AM
IMHO the pure electric car/truck right now, is a city commuting grocery getter at best. We, of any practically educated group, know a few things about batteries. The big issue is the charge time needed to to bring the batteries back from a depleted state. (No, Danny, I'm not talking about California:)
Any thought about just pulling up to a charge station and refilling the battery is beyond the "current" reality. It takes hours, not minutes to recharge an electric car. Certainly not practical for our needs.
Locally, our University, tried electric busses that received an inductive charge at multiple stops along the route. Way too much money required for the charging station infrastructure to make it practical. Plus, they'd have to buy all new busses and the route wouldn't cover 10% of the service area.

Canonman Quote:
:lol:
I'm visualizing a completely different solution. Anyone remember the old bumper cars at the carnival?? It'd take a lot of chicken wire, but I'd bet we could cover all the major interstates by the year 2050


If we cover all of the roads with chicken wire will the chicken still cross them? And if the wire is energized I guess the answer to "why did he cross the road?" would be, "he didn't". He got "fried". But that was going to happen anyway. ;)
Hey, that brings up another neat thing you can do with an electric vehicle,cooking..
"Fresh roadkill" would be a reality. But I guess you would have to decide if you want to sacrifice miles for meals (limited battery power).
No thanks, I'll stick with the diesel for now.
RMc

JRTJH
12-04-2019, 02:26 PM
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If we cover all of the roads with chicken wire will the chicken still cross them? And if the wire is energized I guess the answer to "why did he cross the road?" would be, "he didn't". He got "fried". But that was going to happen anyway. ;)
Hey, that brings up another neat thing you can do with an electric vehicle, cooking "Fresh roadkill" would be a reality. But I guess you would have to decide if you want to sacrifice miles for meals (limited battery power).
No thanks, I'll stick with the diesel for now.
RMc

Visualizing these comments brings back images of those old hot dog cookers that had electrodes that were inserted into each end of the wiener, plugged in and "literally zapped into doneness".... It's easy to imagine fresh roadkill, skewered on the convenient electrodes on the front bumper, so dinner can be monitored as it's "zapped into doneness".....

Laredo Tugger
12-04-2019, 02:51 PM
You are correct John. I have a BBQ with some kind of gizmo (that I will probably never use) on it that will transmit meat temperatures to my cell phone. You could drive until your phone chimes that your meat on the bumper has been "zapped into doneness". Gonna cost you some miles though.
Now how can we add seasoning while driving? Hmmm... :)
RMc

+Ruff Rider
12-05-2019, 06:24 AM
This is to funny!!!
I had one of those hot dog zappers. Worked great. It's gone now. LOL

flybouy
12-05-2019, 07:26 AM
While you'er waiting for that chicken wire...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJegxM1reEk

Canonman
12-05-2019, 08:36 AM
I try to give this forum a "brilliant" idea to move forward with an electric vehicle power method and you want me to cheat death with a Russian weiner cooker:eek:
First thing I'd do is forget to unplug the cooker and then !!BOOM!!
I'm in cardiac arrest.
Did my DW put any of you up to this:lol:

sourdough
12-05-2019, 09:06 AM
While you'er waiting for that chicken wire...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJegxM1reEk


Here we are, heading into winter and the creativity is already starting to blossom! Such a simple device and SO versatile. Just imagine the possibilities with that thing; not only can you cook that hotdog in a heartbeat while on the move, it's a portable defibrillator, cattle prod (with a plethora of uses...)and could probably cook a steak etc.

As Brian noted, I'm thinking once this is fabricated I'll probably keep it under lock and key in an undisclosed location. Just as our minds are getting creative due to inactivity I'm thinking DW is doing the same. I'm not sure what that "cattle prod" function could do if utilized by a bored spouse when one was unalert, but I'm thinking I don't want to be the source of amusement as we while away the winter hours......:eek::eek::lol::lol:

flybouy
12-05-2019, 10:40 AM
Canonman my attorney told me to evoke my 5th amendment rights on your question (but you might want to check that "beneficiary line" on your policy L.O.L) ;)

Danny look at the positive side, if you have a nosey neighbor invite them over for lunch, problem solved! :whistling:

Canonman
12-05-2019, 12:10 PM
Canonman my attorney told me to evoke my 5th amendment rights on your question (but you might want to check that "beneficiary line" on your policy L.O.L) ;)

Danny look at the positive side, if you have a nosey neighbor invite them over for lunch, problem solved! :whistling:

My "Term" policy expires next April. You'd wonder if she's getting desperate to collect. I thought it odd when she gave me a toaster for a bathtub toy...
But, that weiner cooker is going too far:whistling:

hankpage
12-05-2019, 03:21 PM
My "Term" policy expires next April. You'd wonder if she's getting desperate to collect. I thought it odd when she gave me a toaster for a bathtub toy...
But, that weiner cooker is going too far:whistling:

Hmmmmmm? On a chilly afternoon , I wonder what dishes I can whip up with my implanted defibrillator???? http://www.keystoneforums.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=251&pictureid=1587

flybouy
12-05-2019, 04:15 PM
Hmmmmmm? On a chilly afternoon , I wonder what dishes I can whip up with my implanted defibrillator???? http://www.keystoneforums.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=251&pictureid=1587

Probably more than I can with my spinal cord stimulator! :banghead:

SummitPond
12-05-2019, 06:37 PM
Speaking of the Russian weiner cooker, we had a commercial model when I was growing up. It had an interlock such that one could not easily zap themselves. If I recall correctly, we could stack up to six hot dogs in it for cooking at a time. This YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcqiNn8RNrk) isn't quite what I remember having, but it was probably similar.

When I was a Boy Scout we used to wrap hamburger, onion, carrots and sometimes cheese in tin foil and set it securely on the car's V8 motor; we'd have a cooked meal by the time we got to the campsite.

My brother has an all-electric car, and as such it relies on resistance heat to warm the interior. This really kills the available range, and conversely using the air conditioner for cooling is not much better. it's a great concept, but IMHO still has a long way to go to thrive in the current transportation environment.

RK1978
12-05-2019, 06:53 PM
This discussion of electric propulsion is interesting but as one who lives on a farm in an area with 4 seasons, I see little to no use for an electric vehicle, at least during the winter. The two things I would be interested in are: electric drive 4WD with a high efficiency diesel genset with batteries for surge power, and using wind energy to produce hydrogen as fuel. This could be produced and stored, which would eliminate the variable output of wind power generation. (and no carbon emissions).

notanlines
12-06-2019, 06:37 AM
Summit, in the video he refers to himself as possibly 'full of crap,' and an idiot. This guy is bogus as a football bat. He's cooking skinless wieners. REAL hot dog lovers would NEVER allow a skinless dog in their kitchen!:eek:

Bisjoe
12-06-2019, 11:33 AM
When I was in college I worked evenings/weekends at a liquor store, which also sold some food items including hot dogs. We would often eat what we called "coffee dogs." We put them into the old-fashioned peculating coffee pot, plugged it in (without any coffee) and let them sit until done. We never used it for coffee, too many other good things to drink there.

mwemaxxowner
12-06-2019, 01:52 PM
This has devolved brilliantly. Lol

flybouy
12-06-2019, 02:00 PM
This has devolved brilliantly. Lol

Just can't wait to see winter in full swing! :hide:

BRB Rig
12-08-2019, 08:45 AM
With all the hoopla about battery vehicles and Tesla coming out with a new truck. My question was about range when towing. Saw this video, it is 22 minutes long FYI

Was talking to a camper salesman a while back, he said battery Class A are around the corner.


https://youtu.be/-cvNfmL7XQg

Thanks for bringing up EV trucks. We jumped on the reservation list for an Atlis XT and committed to making the trip to meet Atlis next month and get a thorough rundown of how it will work for our toy hauler as full-timers. We’re curious about the jump to solid state batts and eager to learn more about the company and their powerful and beautiful tow vehicle.

We’re in no way affiliated with the company and encourage anyone to visit their site, learn about their solutions, and ask any questions on their forum. Our questions and concerns are promptly answered by the peeps that are designing and building the products.

https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/

CaptnJohn
12-08-2019, 09:40 AM
There are places I travel where it is comforting to have 100 gallon of diesel in the truck. I see no possible use for an electric truck at this time. They will come one day along with paying their share of road taxes. Nothing of value to me in my lifetime I'm sure. This will be something for my grandkids if the technology continues to improve. My big question is although Al Goes great grandchildren will be billionaires if it proves to be of little or no value will anyone admit the great expensive mistake or will they pull a coal generator behind the truck?

ctbruce
12-08-2019, 11:27 AM
This would be the modern version of the steam engine and tender car!

+Ruff Rider
12-08-2019, 03:31 PM
Thanks for bringing up EV trucks. We jumped on the reservation list for an Atlis XT and committed to making the trip to meet Atlis next month and get a thorough rundown of how it will work for our toy hauler as full-timers. We’re curious about the jump to solid state batts and eager to learn more about the company and their powerful and beautiful tow vehicle.

We’re in no way affiliated with the company and encourage anyone to visit their site, learn about their solutions, and ask any questions on their forum. Our questions and concerns are promptly answered by the peeps that are designing and building the products.

https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/ So say you are hooked up to your 5th wheel and crap you need to charge that sucker up. How hard do you think that is going to be. Electric trucks are only good around town and not out there towing a 5er. By the way you have to stop and charge that thing for 30 minutes and I am 30 miles down the road to my next destination. Not much scenery watching the charger charge your truck.
I think electrifying the transportation industry is stupid. Electricity is best sited for cooking Hot Dogs LOL

Harried Harry
12-08-2019, 07:16 PM
For me, a trip to the nearest lake is a 100 mile one-way drive! If I'm taking my trailer or my truck camper, then my mileage is in the teens. I know the RR's use electric motors to run the locomotives but they have diesel-electric power systems. The worst thing about the electric cars/trucks is where & how do you recycle the battery? Very challenging situation since you can't just dump them in the nearest land fill. They must be recycled and not all of the components are recyclable --yet.

To me, it seems as though a lot of people have a "solution in search of a problem".

chuckster57
12-08-2019, 07:33 PM
If you go to the link provided, they claim a 500 mile range in one model. That should get you to the lake and back. And you can be ready to go again in like 15 minutes of plugging in the charge cable.

Harried Harry
12-08-2019, 07:36 PM
Regarding the "electric hot dog or meal cooker". My Jeep club members like warm meals when we are out on a long, all day off road event. Many who have Wranglers have installed a metal cage above the engine in which they can place their aluminum foil wrapped meal; this allows it to cook while we are driving the two to four miles (3 hours or so) to the lunch stop. Great way to absorb the engine heat. I don't think an electric Jeep will be able to provide the heat, but supposedly one will be in production for the 2021 model year. I'm sure it will be a "tester".

Where I live the next city from me is 250 miles north! A few small towns in-between, but no cities.

sourdough
12-08-2019, 08:33 PM
Harry.....you forget Alamo just a few (75) miles to your S?? We have a home in Cloudcroft, go to Alamo several times a week and then to Cruces for "bigger" shopping; Sam's etc.

We need to talk about where your Jeep club goes to ride; 83 CJ7.:):)