Towing Question

[Mike 3422!]

H1 Everyone, New to this sight and first post for me.

I bought a Fuzion 424 last year and keep it in Florida. My current truck (2006 2500 Silverado LT diesel) is not big enough to tow it so it I had it towed on sight. And I have been looking for a used truck to haul it with that will handle the 424. Pin weight is 3500 and dry weight is 16,000. I have done a lot of research and the more I do the more I get confused. So looking to see what other owners are using to get this bad boy from point A to point B.
Note: And would like to get a short bed dually if possible due to parking restraints where I am now. Any input or advice would be appreciated....:

Mike

[notanlines]

Any Dodge Ram dually will do the trick, make sure you get the bigger of the two Cummins (I dont know if the little brother diesel is even offered in a dually) and thats the only of the big three offering a short bed. I say buy a long bed. Pick any of the big three you can afford, but you need a dually.

[Mike 3422!]

K. Thanks. Ill check out the Rams if they have the dually short bed. And They have new hitches now (Anderson) that will accommodate the short beds.

[flybouy]

When searching for a truck bear in mind that the weight and pin weight that you cited is an EMPTY weight that was only accurate when it was at the assembly line. Add in batteries, propane, and all the "stuff" and your weights will dramatically increase.

I'd suggest looking for a truck that can haul the GVWR that's almost 19,000 lbs and the pin wt of approximately 20% of the GVWR PLUS reserves as the truck will also have to haul the weight of everything added after it leaves the factory floor. That includes the passengers and pets, fuel, tools, and anything else added aftermarket such as floor mats, electronics (cell phones, tablets, GPS, Kids toys, food, drinks, etc.

[Mike 3422!]

Oh I know, gas, water, toys, all that stuff.

So that is why I am trying to find out who on this forum is towing the 424 toyhauler and what they are using and if they are having any issues. I don't plan on driving thru the mountains with it so it's basically south east coast And Florida.
But To be honest if I go by the weight and the pin weight of this thing I should be looking at 450's but I know most people are not using that.

[Jim2366]

I looked at Ram trucks for over a year and found that if you use the site posted below it will tell you the max payload and max towing. I would recommend a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel truck with the AISIN 6-Speed Automatic Transmission. The extra cost is not that much more however it increases the max towing to 32K with the 3.73 axles. The 4.10 axles gives you more torque which is great for steep roads.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html

[Bolo4u]

I have a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel, 4x4. long bed CC, DRW with the aisin and 4.10, Limited trim. My payload is 5121.

Your 5r is right at 19217 GVWR (based on the specs on Keystone website). Since the accepted pin weight is 20-25% of the GVWR, using 22%, you would be at ~4227 pound if you loaded it right to the GVW.

In my scenario, if I were towing your trailer, loaded, I'd have just under 900 pounds leeway, for occupants, hitch, cargo, etc. Id be really close.

Granted a lower trim level, regular cab vs. crew/mega, etc, will give you payload. Also, if you go with a Reese goose box type hitch, vs a conventional slider, you'll save a couple hundred pounds.

The only way Im aware to get a shorted DRW, is in the Mega Cab configuration, but you're right back in the same conundrum.

Even though you say you're not going to tow into the mountains an such, you never know.

At a minimum, you're definitely in DRW territory. When you go to look at trucks, look at the white and yellow payload sticker on the driver B pillar. That will give you a good reference for where your available payload limits are, and do the math from there.

Good luck. :hide:

[rhagfo]

I looked at Ram trucks for over a year and found that if you use the site posted below it will tell you the max payload and max towing. I would recommend a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel truck with the AISIN 6-Speed Automatic Transmission. The extra cost is not that much more however it increases the max towing to 32K with the 3.73 axles. The 4.10 axles gives you more torque which is great for steep roads.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html

Well not real accurate, I put in my VIN on my 2016 Ram 3500 DRW 6.7 w/Aisin and 3.73. My yellow sticker has max payload of 5,411# the search came up with 5,560#.

It is at least close.

[Jim2366]

Looks like we have about the same trucks. NC is our favorite place to go, we like the Blue Ridge Parkway, near Boone.

Jim

[rhagfo]

I have a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel, 4x4. long bed CC, DRW with the aisin and 4.10, Limited trim. My payload is 5121.

Your 5r is right at 19217 GVWR (based on the specs on Keystone website). Since the accepted pin weight is 20-25% of the GVWR, using 22%, you would be at ~4227 pound if you loaded it right to the GVW.

In my scenario, if I were towing your trailer, loaded, I'd have just under 900 pounds leeway, for occupants, hitch, cargo, etc. Id be really close.

Granted a lower trim level, regular cab vs. crew/mega, etc, will give you payload. Also, if you go with a Reese goose box type hitch, vs a conventional slider, you'll save a couple hundred pounds.

The only way Im aware to get a shorted DRW, is in the Mega Cab configuration, but you're right back in the same conundrum.

Even though you say you're not going to tow into the mountains an such, you never know.

At a minimum, you're definitely in DRW territory. When you go to look at trucks, look at the white and yellow payload sticker on the driver B pillar. That will give you a good reference for where your available payload limits are, and do the math from there.

Good luck. :hide:
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2019 Ram 3500 CTD, CC, Limited, DRW, 4x4, Aisin/4.10's
2017 Ram 3500 CTD CC DRW 4x4, 6.7/auto (For Sale)
2016 Cougar 333MKS (sold to Camp Fire survivor)

Bolo4u, Maybe you could have a buyer for your 2017. I realize you are 3,000 miles apart, but you never know.
I don't know what you carry in your TV, but our 2016 Ram 3500 has a sticker payload of 5,411#. Well take that from a 14,000# GVWR means the truck weighed 8,589# off the factory floor. Well we have scaled it ready to tow with me, DW and our Beagle it weighed 9,950#, so 1,361# of STUFF! I do have an in bed tool box with some heavy items, but Wow, 1,361# of lost payload before getting to the pin.

Mike 3422!, the only way to get a shorter 3500 DRW is likely to go with a regular cab. I will say that our 3500 DRW you will get use to the size.

[Roscommon48]

you can pull your trailer with you current truck but I would not pull it very far.


As for a truck, any one ton would work. If you are looking at 'new' I'd look at the 2020 GMC. Only about $85K.


You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys.

[rhagfo]

you can pull your trailer with you current truck but I would not pull it very far.


As for a truck, any one ton would work. If you are looking at 'new' I'd look at the 2020 GMC. Only about $85K.


You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys.

Wow, so now we don't need a DRW to tow a 19,000# GVWR 5er, with a pin that will likely exceed 4,000#.

That right I saw that the other day TV was squatting pretty good, tires less than round.

[Laredo Tugger]

Yes, rhagfo is correct on two points here.
Yes a dually is definitely needed, even the OP admits that. I have a one ton SRW and I wold not tow that 42 ft. toyhauler.
And the OP should take a closer look at the truck Bolo4u has for sale. It sounds real nice and well taken care of (from the previous advertising post I saw,I would buy it if I was in the market). Yes it is a long bed , but for that size trailer (42 ft.) it would be best suited IMHO. You can always make a few extra feet for parking. Also a short bed dually is only available from Ram and will be hard to find used. True the logistics of a coast to coast vehicle purchase come into play,but with today's access to info (carfax,pictures, email,maintenance records ect..) not impossible to accomplish.
RMc

[notanlines]

I'm going to disagree with Roscommon on the phrase "You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys."
Wrong on both ends. I also don't think this is a 'weight police' discussion here. This RV is simply in dually territory.

[travelin texans]

you can pull your trailer with you current truck but I would not pull it very far.


As for a truck, any one ton would work. If you are looking at 'new' I'd look at the 2020 GMC. Only about $85K.


You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys.

Dually is absolutely needed with that much trailer!!
Ram Mega cab can be bought with a short bed! Overall length may not be much shorter than the others with CC & 8' bed, but is a "short bed".
Wrong on those two!
You may right about the $85k 2020 Chevy, don't know haven't looked at them.

[Roscommon48]

I am getting response from my earlier comment on what truck you might look at.
Again, YOU DON"T need a dually. Secondly, they don't make short box duallys. And lastly, some of the new one tons can and do pull what you are looking at.



For those who seem to disagree do your research. https://www.etrailer.com/faq-best-2018-trucks-for-towing.aspx#Full-Ton


https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd

[sourdough]

I am getting response from my earlier comment on what truck you might look at.
Again, YOU DON"T need a dually. Secondly, they don't make short box duallys. And lastly, some of the new one tons can and do pull what you are looking at.



For those who seem to disagree do your research. https://www.etrailer.com/faq-best-2018-trucks-for-towing.aspx#Full-Ton


https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd


The only thing I get from the etrailer link is all of the trucks and their max tow ratings which don't mean anything. The gmc link does show one specific truck (srw) that has a payload of 4398. The issue is the gvw of the trailer is 19000 lbs. That equates to a pin of 38-4500 lbs. The srw won't cut it. That is the case across the vast spectrum of 1 ton srw - I've been looking for one but I have no intention of strapping a 19000 lb. trailer to one. So yes, I have done research and from my perch a srw won't work unless the OP wants to live life on the "wild" side. JMO

[notanlines]

Be sure and don't click on this link showing a new Ram dually with a short bed. I'm sure it's just a custom job that some dude whacked off the back foot and a half for the Detroit Auto Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYtLuDlmDzI

[Brentw]

Wow, I seldom weigh into this type of thing, but ya, do your research.
Tow is not carry, the srw in your attachment can tow 23500, but should not be carrying the pin weight that these trailers weigh.
Here's a pic of a sb dually.
http://https://www.google.com/search?client=tablet-android-samsung&sxsrf=ACYBGNT_UfM1UVoyvhEl0DswPQsQBA0jSg%3A1573770 344461&ei=aNTNXfTaG9jC-gSSuYqQCw&q=ram+short+bed+dually&oq=ram+short+box+d&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.0i22i30l8.7425.19470..23039...1.1..1.326. 3960.0j24j1j1......0....1.......8..0i71j35i39j0j35 i362i39j0i273j0i67j0i131j46j46i67j0i20i263.G_2fFxt 5PEk#imgrc=zLkBV2RXgAsosM:

[jsb5717]

Here's a nice used one if you wanted to spend less. Just fly into Portland and drive it home

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/d/2012-ram-3500-cummins-dually-67-limited/7014835387.html

[rhagfo]

Here's a nice used one if you wanted to spend less. Just fly into Portland and drive it home

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/d/2012-ram-3500-cummins-dually-67-limited/7014835387.html

Well most likely would carry and tow the Fusion, BUT that 2012 only had a GVWR of 12.300#. :facepalm:
Ram "upgraded" the 3500 both SRW and DRW in 2013 and the DRW GVWR went to 14,000#.

[jsb5717]

Well most likely would carry and tow the Fusion, BUT that 2012 only had a GVWR of 12.300#. :facepalm:
Ram "upgraded" the 3500 both SRW and DRW in 2013 and the DRW GVWR went to 14,000#.

Ah...good point. They keep making them beefier. When it comes to that monster Fuzion, "go big or go home"

[travelin texans]

I am getting response from my earlier comment on what truck you might look at.
Again, YOU DON"T need a dually. Secondly, they don't make short box duallys. And lastly, some of the new one tons can and do pull what you are looking at.



For those who seem to disagree do your research. https://www.etrailer.com/faq-best-2018-trucks-for-towing.aspx#Full-Ton


https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd

Basically you're saying YOU don't want a dually! Which is absolutely ok, unless you plan to tow/haul/stop a 19k lb toy hauler safely, then you better have a dually, that new Ram pictured with the short bed above would do nicely, or stay home.....

[Brentw]

Having gone from a sb srw to a long bed dually, I found the tow more comfortable/ relaxing. And the empty ride much better. Within months you will have adapted to the extra length/ width and will shop for parking spots that accommodate. Not saying you need it... but I can stand walking a bit further to the store from a back of the lot spot.
Good luck shopping, patience will pay off, but be ready to act when the right deal comes along.

[+Ruff Rider]

Skip the Dodge and get the Ford. I don't think you can get a short bed in a dully. lol

[rhagfo]

Skip the Dodge and get the Ford. I don't think you can get a short bed in a dully. lol

Ram makes a Mega cab SB pickup.

[notanlines]

Russ, so help me, I don't think that some of these people read the posts. How many times will we have to say that Dodge Ram makes a short bed dually.....:horse:

[Bolo4u]

Apiwatw...
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[ctbruce]

Wait....what? Ram makes a SB Dually? Never heard that before. Are y'all sure of yo' facts?

[LewisB]

I am getting response from my earlier comment on what truck you might look at.
Again, YOU DON"T need a dually. Secondly, they don't make short box duallys. And lastly, some of the new one tons can and do pull what you are looking at.

For those who seem to disagree do your research. https://www.etrailer.com/faq-best-2018-trucks-for-towing.aspx#Full-Ton

https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd

To be frank, this is horribe advice - and it has been posted twice! Max towing capability listed in the "research" is nearly meaningless.

We have a 40' Raptor with a GCWR of nearly 28K including our CanAm SxS.
We love our 2017 F350 DRW TV. I think any of the big 3 DRW's would be just fine based on preference and availability. As you consider "older" truck model years, make sure to check capacities - current trucks have significantly improved capabilities over earlier (say 5-10 years) versions.

Good luck with your search & happy camping!

[moodman]

BTW, PIN weight has a lot to do with the way your trailer is loaded. Any weight you put behind the trailers wheels will reduce the PIN weight.

[wiredgeorge]

Not to be a party pooper but the OP posted his question on the 12th, got the pot stirred, and that was the last time he was on the site. Why go to all the trouble of giving advice to a person who isn't going to see it?

[CWtheMan]

As you consider "older" truck model years, make sure to check capacities - current trucks have significantly improved capabilities over earlier (say 5-10 years) versions.


And here is an example.

Our 2004 Dodge dually had a crew cab and long bed (2wd). It had an auto trans and a 5.9 cdi Cummins turbo diesel. That particular Cummins was rated at 305 HP and 600 lbs of torque. It had a GVWR of 11500# with a GCWR of 23500# when using the factory installed 4.10 gearing. Big difference when compared to a like equipped 2019 year model.

We were limited to trailers having GVWRs of 14.5K and below. Ours was 14.1K.

USAF FAMCAMP, Ellsworth, AFB, Box Elder, SD.

http://www.keystoneforums.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1076&pictureid=6154

[Mike 3422!]

To All: Thank you all for for your input and advice. I was upstate hunting with little access to internet!!I did get two things that will help me.
Def need short box dually to fit where my lot is. And I will look at later model trucks due to increased towing specs. But can’t/won’t spring for brand new one. Ouch!!

[LewisB]

Not to be a party pooper but the OP posted his question on the 12th, got the pot stirred, and that was the last time he was on the site. Why go to all the trouble of giving advice to a person who isn't going to see it?

And now you have the answer provided by the OP. Personally, I enjoy the sharing of knowledge not only for the OP but for those who are interested enough in the subject to respond. Since I don’t consider myself to be the “consummate expert” on any RV subject, I enjoy the fact that other forum members are willing to share their knowledge and experiences. That’s why I get involved.