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chuckster57
07-21-2019, 07:00 AM
Anybody else as mad As I am over the dispute and the fact that once again the customer is stuck in the middle? I woke up Sat morning and found that both my CBS and my CW stations are blocked. I hope they fix it soon or I may be forced to drop any and all services associated with ATT......thank you for letting me vent!:banghead:

JRTJH
07-21-2019, 07:47 AM
It's the same here. CBS affiliate stations (not the CBS local TV station) are apparently wanting more money from ATT to broadcast on DirecTV. We no longer get the CBS "upper news stations" that compete with MSNBC and Fox News. I haven't found any other stations that were dropped from the lineup, but DirecTV is posting a "contact those greedy people" notice on the CBS stations that were dropped.

A couple years ago, people with DISH service had the same issue with dropped stations during the "contract fights between DISH and the broadcasters"....

Like you said, we paid for the service and no longer get it, so no matter what ATT needs to do to fix this, it's on them to provide what they contracted to provide. Right now, they aren't doing that. The reason is irrelevant AFAIK, and I really don't care what ATT does to fix it, but THEY need to provide what we pay for or reduce the price and/or provide a means to change service without penalty. :soapbox:

chuckster57
07-21-2019, 07:54 AM
I know. Ive been with Direct since about 2002 so no penalty as far as I'm concerned, ATT has been my phone/cell phone provider since 1996 and once again I see no penalty without a HUGE fight. ATT internet since 2000...

I threatened them last year and they did give me a small break but took away about 40 channels. And I am hearing of plans to turn off the SD satellites in Sept. That may very well prove to be the final straw.

jsmith948
07-21-2019, 08:17 AM
Here in our area, we lost NBC (local channel 24) and CBS (local channel 47).
Both of these are owned and operated by Nexstar. Both channels have been out since July 3rd. I am seriously considering canceling. We pay $180+ for satellite t.v. - crazy:banghead:

CaptnJohn
07-21-2019, 08:22 AM
Here in our area, we lost NBC (local channel 24) and CBS (local channel 47).
Both of these are owned and operated by Nexstar. Both channels have been out since July 3rd. I am seriously considering canceling. We pay $180+ for satellite t.v. - crazy:banghead:

I wish they would take those away from me. I didn't know anyone watched those any longer.

chuckster57
07-21-2019, 08:22 AM
13 and 31 for me. I rely on 31 in the morning for the traffic going to the bay area. And I like Goodday Weekends.

Hblick48
07-21-2019, 08:25 AM
I have Dish both at home and in RV. HBO and Dish had a similar dispute last Sept. HBO went dark on Dish, and it still is...10 months and counting. Only way to get HBO is streaming, which chews up a bunch of data when traveling in the fiver.

AT&T owns HBO, and probably wants that content to be exclusive to its distribution networks. We, the consumer are in the middle of the arrogent position that HBO has taken. From what I read, HBO wants Dish to guarantee a 20% subscriber base, regardless as to how many people actually subscribe to the service.

Will NEVER do business with AT&T or it's subsidiaries.

{tpc}
07-22-2019, 04:17 AM
Whats interesting about this is that comcast (who I have at home) will allow you to keep the channels you contracted for until you change your "plan" . I found this out when my rate went up and I negotiated it back down, they told me I would lose a couple channels because they hadn't come to terms with them. But they said if I stayed with my current plan I wouldn't lose them. They said I might get them back in the future once they got a deal done.

Funny thing was, I switched and lowered my rate, channels never changed.

Dogue
07-22-2019, 04:47 AM
We've also been without NBC since the beginning of the month. Only thing we're missing is America's Got Talent...and we've managed to get by without it.

BTW, if you log into your DirecTv acct you can get a $5 credit due to the missing channels.

fatcatzzz
07-22-2019, 06:34 AM
We dumped Directv for Dish about a year and a half ago. Winegard Travler and Hopper 3. We have been very happy with Dish.
Chiuckster57: Have you tried streaming channel 31, they have a all day stream?

wiredgeorge
07-22-2019, 07:52 AM
I posted this on another forum in early December, last year:

CBS gone from Dish
12-01-2018, 10:29 AM
Every year or so, Tegna, the company that owns the CBS stuff on Dish TV and Dish start squabbling about the fee Dish must pay. This year, they couldn't reach and agreement and CBS is gone. This means NFL games, Madam Secretary, Hawaii Five O, Bluebloods, etc. won't be back until they get this sorted out. Dish has a spot on where the channel was begging customers to call Tegna and complain to try and pressure them into making a deal that Dish can live with. I will be going up to the RV to watch the shows we like via OTA until this is sorted. I really don't want to buy an OTA DVR but it might come to that if this holding the customers hostage situation becomes more frequent (as threatened by Dish in their spot on the local CBS channel space).

rjrelander
07-22-2019, 09:34 AM
We dropped all cable and satellite television service years ago. Will watch whatever scraps we can pick up on local digital broadcasts but honestly don't miss it at all. Drives the door to door sales people nuts when I tell them I have no need for their services. :)

travelin texans
07-22-2019, 11:20 AM
We dropped all cable and satellite television service years ago. Will watch whatever scraps we can pick up on local digital broadcasts but honestly don't miss it at all. Drives the door to door sales people nuts when I tell them I have no need for their services. :)
I'm right there with ya!
We can get the major networks from our OTA antenna which is plenty good for us.
I don't give a hoot about sports, don't watch any of the fake news, I can look out the window & guess the weather with about the same acurancy as the weather guys, wouldn't watch a minute of ANY of the reality shows, don't watch much TV anyway, so as long as we can find something to watch for a couple hours in the evening or stream an occasional movie we're fine with what we have.
We had Direct satellite several years ago in our S&B with the monthly bill drafted from our account. One day DW looked at the bill & noticed a $5 late fee, looked back & found this every month, called them & they stated that they drafted our payment on say the 1st, the day the bill is due, but informed us that it took 5 days for it to be posted as paid, after much argument they refunded all the late fees back to us & once done we called & canceled with them with a message to them that we were going to be a huge advertiser, negative of course, for them from now til eternity & got Dish.
Moral; DO NOT USE DIRECT TV!!!!

travelin texans
07-22-2019, 11:26 AM
We dropped all cable and satellite television service years ago. Will watch whatever scraps we can pick up on local digital broadcasts but honestly don't miss it at all. Drives the door to door sales people nuts when I tell them I have no need for their services. :)
I'm right there with ya!
We can get the major networks from our OTA antenna which is plenty good for us.
I don't give a hoot about sports, don't watch any of the BS fake news, wouldn't watch a minute of ANY of the reality shows, don't watch much TV anyway, so as long as we can find something to watch for a couple hours in the evening or stream an occasional movie we're fine with what we have.
We had Direct satellite several years ago in our S&B with the monthly bill drafted from our account. One day DW looked at the bill & noticed a $5 late fee, looked back & found this every month, called them & they stated that they drafted our payment on say the 1st, the day the bill is due, but informed us that it took 5 days for it to be posted as paid, after much argument they refunded all the late fees back to us & once done we called & canceled with them with a message to them that we were going to be a huge advertiser, negative of course, for them from now til eternity & got Dish.
Moral; DO NOT USE DIRECT TV!!!! And watch the bill closely!

sourdough
07-22-2019, 01:35 PM
I had a similar problem with Direct years ago and switched to Dish. It got to where TV was nearly all garbage, I gave up on watching sports per se and the news turned into nothing but opinion editorials so I dropped Dish...at 4 houses (which cost a lot of money I now save!) and haven't gone back. I keep up with the news and weather online (have to read between the lines to get much of it) and we subscribe to Netflix and Amazon w/HBO. Pretty much takes care of us along with the 4 boxes of DVDs we take with us in the RV. :)

LynnGlaze13
08-01-2019, 07:43 AM
Here in our area, we lost NBC (local channel 24) and CBS (local channel 47).
Both of these are owned and operated by Nexstar. Both channels have been out since July 3rd. I am seriously considering canceling. We pay $180+ for satellite t.v. - crazy:banghead:


We still have every channel except the local NBC affiliate including NBCSN Sports Network.


We only watched one show on NBC so we have not missed much except the last 2 stages of The Tour De France and we watched them later in the day on NBCSN. :popcorn:

larryflew
08-01-2019, 08:16 AM
If you are within 50 miles of the tower DTV will overnight an antenna that plugs into your Genie and integrates with your guide etc.

geeman
08-01-2019, 09:28 AM
The biggest and only problem with receiving your Network stations, ABC CBS FOX NBC etc, is the greed of the Network Programmers!! Period!

Believe me, I know. I work at a cable company. A few years ago the networks were "allowed" by the FCC to charge providers for these companies to re-broadcast their stations. As in our case, you could barely get the stations with your own antenna so the fact that we were distributing a better signal that they even provided and were being charged for it. That "over the air" signal is now worse due to digital signals not being as strong.

That fee they began charging providers started as a small fee until the programmers realized the cash cow they were sitting on! Contracts are on a 3 year deal. We started out at a modest rate and were under 3 dollars for all the networks, their secondary stations and all. Each year there is an increase built in. BUT at the end of the contract--WATCH OUT! There have been rate increases of over 300% and still have built in annuals. We used to have 7 networks stations from 2 major cities. We have been forced to drop some of the "out of market" stations from the 2nd city to try and manage costs. What started at under 3 bucks is now $18! with fewer stations!! To top it off, under each contract the networks will add crappy secondary stations no one wants with additional charges and demand that you add them to Basic as well. Not some secondary tier of channels but to your basic lineup.

This is why no one can afford cable, dish, direct! Companies are loosing customers right and left yet if you look at these network financial statements and their projected earnings, they are going up up and away!! They even brag about it in interviews how much money they are making on retransmission agreements. Until the FCC steps in and says enough is enough, things will not change. Companies are being forced to make tough decisions about whether or not to carry networks.

Personally I think it is great that Direct has put their foot down. Small companies like ours means nothing when we try to make a statement. CBS is loosing their butt if Direct, Dish and major carriers say NO MORE. :eek:

And it gets worse... like some have said, if you have an "over the air" antenna, guess what .............. ITS FREE!! What sort of bull crap is that? We make their crappy signal better, deliver quality signal in HD and their advertising just so they can charge use 18 bucks!! Yet it is still free on an antenna. If they are going to charge, make everyone pay!!

Here is a solution for you though........ if you can get the LOCAST app on your device or box you can get all of your networks for FREE. They are a nonprofit that is operating on donations...not required.

All of these companies have made agreements with you on forecasted expenses and with the horrible rates being shoved down there throats, you cannot forecast that!! :nonono::nonono:

Why should only part of us pay for the ridiculous profits and sports contracts these networks are making? Why........

Off the soap box! :banghead:
On to better things in life! :popcorn: :marshmallow:

SR71 Jet Mech
08-01-2019, 09:38 AM
We too have had Directv, then 14 years ago switched to Dish. Then a year and a half ago the whole missing channel crap came up, then a software and/or firmware upgrade to our hoppers that made them basically obsolete for how we used them and how THEY set them up. But they could conveniently “upgrade “ us to hopper 3 for $200 and it would fix our issues.
Nope.......
Bought an Amazon fire stick and have never looked back. Tried Hulu live, it stinks. Tried Directv now, it stinks. Figured out how to stream through 3rd party apps and no more cable or satellite. We have the largest DVR or VOD ever and I can pick download size so not to burn up too much data. Plenty of OTA and just fill in with the stick. Still need college football so need something.
Now have 6 fire sticks and went from $175 monthly to $20.

RayT
08-01-2019, 04:30 PM
No matter which provider you use, we have DirecTV, the prices increases every year much higher than any other measure of inflation. This is because the content creators, like CBS, have little regard for cost, they just keep extorting the cable & satellite providers for higher fees (and rely on end users to apply the pressure).

I for one am all for the providers standing up to the content creators, even if it means a few days missing some stations. Something other than my budget needs to give here.

Just my 2¢

siberian
08-01-2019, 05:05 PM
I dumped DirecTV two years ago and stream what I need, when I need. Went from 80 bucks per month for 99% of channels I never watched to $0, with OTA and the internet, no need for these cable/sat operators.

I keep getting mails from them asking me to come back; highly unlikely... like modems and punch cards, they're from the past. Use the internet and cut the cord

siberian

jimborokz
08-02-2019, 02:19 AM
Dropped DirecTV last fall. Put it on vacation when we went south and left it off this spring. Stream everything now with Fire Sticks and Roku's. There is so much competition on streaming it just keeps getting better. We went from $150/mo. to $45 and we get more content then before. Only lost local affiliates and we can get the OTA. Tried Dish in the camper last year and it was too much of a hassle. I feel so much freer now. Also rediscovered the joy of reading books.

foszoe
08-02-2019, 08:01 PM
I think the sat/cable companies should break out the cost of the locals and just not bill for it during a dispute.

I have been OTA/streaming now for over a decade and never understood how people get so upset over locals being dropped. Most can pick them up with a cheap antenna.

chuckster57
08-02-2019, 08:12 PM
I have thought about an OTA antenna, but I figure by the time I buy all the things needed, it isn’t worth it.

I’m getting used to not having the 2 channels, and pretty soon I may get used to even less.

geeman
08-05-2019, 04:42 AM
I think the sat/cable companies should break out the cost of the locals and just not bill for it during a dispute.

I have been OTA/streaming now for over a decade and never understood how people get so upset over locals being dropped. Most can pick them up with a cheap antenna.

That would be a breech of contract and the company would be sued by the Networks. We cannot even break it out and offer it as a separate fee!! Required to air in "most penetrated tier" meaning Basic lineup. Required to take the crap second channels. Required to pay the annual raises during the contract. ILLEGAL to put on a scroll telling about contracts, yet the networks do the very same thing and tell our customers to call the cable company.

Here is another article today......https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/cable-fees-spike-2006/
Network TV costs cable companies a lot more than you might think.

Local affiliates of NBC, CBS, Fox, and ABC comprise a huge chunk of cable bills, allegedly accounting for as much as $16 of a cable bill, according to Cord Cutters News. As cable company woes have increased over the last decade, networks are still upping their prices. And cable company Armstrong announced this week that these fees have gone up a shocking 600% since 2006.

Networks are out to screw you, not the cable companies.....600%!!!

cavediver
08-14-2019, 10:43 AM
Then don't carry them.

dd45529
08-17-2019, 02:22 PM
I lost CBSN and Smithsonian. Both favorites. Not sure what else is missing since I've blocked over half of the stations I pay for because the channels I want are not in the cheaper packages. The dispute seems to be with ATT and Diretv. Hope it gets settled soon or I'm going to free HD channels and streaming. Save me a bunch of money.

OldMasterTech
08-18-2019, 04:11 AM
I wish they would take those away from me. I didn't know anyone watched those any longer.

Both my E350 and my F150 have low profile in-motion directv dishes that are SD only. Guess I'll be scrapping a significant investment....