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Zebra
07-16-2018, 10:28 AM
We are planning on taking I25 from Texas into Colorado (Trinidad, Raton, Colorado Springs) and up past Loveland. Then 287 Fort Collins to I80 through South Wyoming to Utah.

2015 Ram 2500 5.7 GAS (not diesel) pulling Keystone 30RLDS TT. I had a hard time towing in Texas Hill country. Lost 10-20 mph on the hills. Have only been traveling since January of this year on pretty flat areas. Never even been out west before.

I want to be safe, smart and capable. Before I thought RV drivers do this ALL the time! Currently I’m just petrified. Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Gas engine...heavy trailer ...concerned driver.

Please don’t tell me to get a new truck 😊

JRTJH
07-16-2018, 10:45 AM
When we lived in Denver (70's) before the Eisenhower Tunnel was completed, we towed a 20' travel trailer over Loveland and Berthoud and Rabbit Ears Passes regularly. It was always a challenge, seldom crowded, filled with 10MPH switchbacks and 1000' drop-offs. The roads are better now, the vehicles are better now, and the scenery, well, most of it is the same as back then, once you get away from the crowded metropolitan areas.

Plan on some 25MPH, second gear climbs in the far right lane and expect that some 18 wheelers will likely pass you. Watch your transmission and engine temperatures on the uphill and use your engine/transmission to help maintain a slow decent on the downhill side. Don't use your brakes any more than necessary and just relax, accept and acknowledge the slow climbs, stay on top of managing your engine RPM to keep it in the power band and enjoy the trip.

sourdough
07-16-2018, 11:05 AM
Well, if the hill country gave you trouble, wait for the Rockies. I'm assuming you're coming from FL (St. Petersburg) and you've made the trip to TX before.

Other than the hill country, TX is non eventful. If you're going thru Las Cruces on 25 there are some hills around there. It's been a long time since I used 25 going there but there is quite a long, tall grade coming in on hwy. 70 as you cross the Organ mountains; I think the same holds true coming in on I25; someone will probably expound.

Raton Pass used to be much worse than it is today but is worse than most hill country roads grade wise. It is a divided 4 lane and very wide.

Other than that you've picked a route that is pretty tame with not much scenery - pretty forgettable really. You are going to be traveling through some areas that have some awesome things to see and do. It's a shame to just drive thru it and stay on the freeway. Royal Gorge, Garden of the Gods, Pike's Peak just flipped in my mind. Also, at Ft. Collins you could cut off and go to Walden (moose capital of the U.S.??). Beautiful drive following a river I can't remember the name of. At Walden you can cut back NW and get back to I80. It IS slow, windy and somewhat hilly - and 2 lane, but beats the heck out of the big highways.

The 5.7 is going to labor on some of the grades. I would double check your truck and trailer brakes; you will have a box weighing right at 10,000 lbs. trying to shove you down those mountains....or pull you over the edge:eek:

Having pulled about the same load with about the same truck I will tell you that you need LT tires on the truck; air bags in the springs and a GOOD anti sway/WDH setup. Use tow/haul along with gear selection going downhill.

What kind of brake controller do you have? Make sure it is set properly and you know how to use it. Take is slow and take your time - enjoy what there is to see. Without a larger truck I'm not sure you will be able to "enjoy" what's out there because depending on the circumstances that big of a trailer behind that truck CAN become a handful. Just be careful.

Zebra
07-16-2018, 11:37 AM
We got new LT tires. Brakes checked 3000 miles ago...trailer brakes are new (purchased new unit 9/17). My trailer brakes are “built in” to the truck. This sounds dumb but the squeeze to brake kind. Our sway bars are good and I figure if we can get to the campgrounds off I25 we can unhook and drive without the tow to see the beauty.

May check out moose country. Normally I drive 4 hrs/300 miles. I’m thinking 300 miles through Colorado May take me longer than I anticipated! Thanks so much for your help!

mfifield01
07-16-2018, 12:53 PM
I went with a couple of friends up through NM, Pagosa, RMNP, and into southern Wyoming (in 2014). We took a 34" Prowler that weighed near 10000lbs. The TV was a 2003 Ram 2500 with the Cummins. I remember Wolf Creek Pass being the most difficult on the truck. I had it in the floor and we slowly went up it at around 30 MPH. I think coming down the pass was less comfortable than going up. I don't remember I25 or Raton Pass being as bad.

I'm taking my family up I25 next week, coming from Texas. Eventually, we will stop at Moraine Park (RMNP).

Zebra
07-16-2018, 01:08 PM
That helps! Thank you!

gearhead
07-16-2018, 01:29 PM
So, are you wanting to just get too Utah, or sightsee along the way to Utah?
I suppose you could avoid Raton Pass and other pulls by going north to Nebraska, then turning west. But you may as well just jump in with both feet.
If you have your built in truck brake controller set right, you shouldn't be squeezing the dashboard brake thing except in near emergencies.

travelin texans
07-16-2018, 01:45 PM
[QUOTE=Zebra;297202
Normally I drive 4 hrs/300 miles. I’m thinking 300 miles through Colorado May take me longer than I anticipated! Thanks so much for your help![/QUOTE]

If you average 50 mph towing a rv you're making good time & that ciphers to 6 hours, but you'll be in the mountains so in my guesstamation that's 7 to 8 hours to make 300 miles.
Just drive safe, use the tow/haul mode on your truck, if equipped, those that are in a big rush can go around & go enjoy the experience.

Zebra
07-16-2018, 02:35 PM
So, are you wanting to just get too Utah, or sightsee along the way to Utah?
I suppose you could avoid Raton Pass and other pulls by going north to Nebraska, then turning west. But you may as well just jump in with both feet.
If you have your built in truck brake controller set right, you shouldn't be squeezing the dashboard brake thing except in near emergencies.

I really do want to see Colorado. I’ll make sure our brakes are set right while we are on flat land in Texas. I watched a video of someone going through Raton Pass. Seemed like a gradual incline throughout. I’m guessing it’s a bigger grade than I’m seeing. I suppose if my weight in my camper is good I just need some courage and downshift. Watch my temps and don’t push the truck.

sourdough
07-16-2018, 02:37 PM
We got new LT tires. Brakes checked 3000 miles ago...trailer brakes are new (purchased new unit 9/17). My trailer brakes are “built in” to the truck. This sounds dumb but the squeeze to brake kind. Our sway bars are good and I figure if we can get to the campgrounds off I25 we can unhook and drive without the tow to see the beauty.

May check out moose country. Normally I drive 4 hrs/300 miles. I’m thinking 300 miles through Colorado May take me longer than I anticipated! Thanks so much for your help!


Here's a little link about Walden and North Park if you decide you want to go.

http://www.cpr.org/news/story/visit-colorado-moose-country

sourdough
07-16-2018, 02:49 PM
I really do want to see Colorado. I’ll make sure our brakes are set right while we are on flat land in Texas. I watched a video of someone going through Raton Pass. Seemed like a gradual incline throughout. I’m guessing it’s a bigger grade than I’m seeing. I suppose if my weight in my camper is good I just need some courage and downshift. Watch my temps and don’t push the truck.

Raton Pass is nothing like it used to be 45-50 years ago. And it is pretty much a long, sustained, pretty gradual grade. I don't think you will have any problem with it unless the tranny wanted to give out and I doubt that since it is a pretty new truck; just use tow haul and watch the revs. Tow haul should keep it from hunting back and forth for gears. If it doesn't select 4 and leave it there until you get off the hill - it will probably kick down to 3...or lower, but it won't keep trying to upshift every time the road flattens for a bit.

notanlines
07-16-2018, 03:02 PM
Let's jump back to an earlier post. Your trailer brakes are controlled by a system built in by Dodge. As was mentioned the "squeeze to brake" is only for emergencies and to check first thing before a trip. I am not familiar with all of your route, but we have towed on most of it. Texas hill country is only memorable for the brisket and the wild flowers (:hide:) the hills/mountains remaining on your trip are a little more challenging. Enjoy your trip. People have been pulling heavier with a lot less truck for many years. This will be just like when hooking up in the morning: Don't pay any attention to people who seem to be in a hurry. They should have left earlier. And let us hear from you when you return!

sourdough
07-16-2018, 04:22 PM
We got new LT tires. Brakes checked 3000 miles ago...trailer brakes are new (purchased new unit 9/17). My trailer brakes are “built in” to the truck. This sounds dumb but the squeeze to brake kind. Our sway bars are good and I figure if we can get to the campgrounds off I25 we can unhook and drive without the tow to see the beauty.

May check out moose country. Normally I drive 4 hrs/300 miles. I’m thinking 300 miles through Colorado May take me longer than I anticipated! Thanks so much for your help!

Crossed my mind - 1) CHECK your trailer brakes. Because it is new doesn't mean they are adjusted correctly; mine weren't and I think others have found the same thing. You will want them functioning at 100%. 2) I have not had a 1500 with a brake controller but assume it is like the HD trucks. If so, adjust it per manual with your trailer loaded.

Edit: Zebra, what axle ratio are you running? If you were losing 10-20mph (memory from prior post) in the hill country I'm just wondering - and sounds like you have the tow package.

ctbruce
07-16-2018, 04:27 PM
Lock out your overdrive, keep the truck in 4th and 5th, you'll be fine. If you have an exhaust brake, use it and tow/haul mode. If not downshift your transmission to hold your speed. You'll be fine. Remember your new to it only the first time.

Steve/
07-16-2018, 04:39 PM
We live in Denver and travel to Texas in the spring. We are towing about 5K with 270 Hp 4runner, If I pulled the right numbers you are about 9k and 380 Hp. You should be ok all over Colorado. Raton Pass is an easy pull, It is not a problem to pull up hills doing 30 or 40 Mph in the right lane, we see it all the time. We have some long down grades that you will want to downshift, you do not want to try to do them with just brakes only. Take your time and you should not have any problems. If you are on a two lane road and you have 5 cars stacked up behind you and there is a good safe pull off you are required by law to pull off and let them pass. If you are around 5 miles of the posted speed limit don't worry about it. Use your best judgement.
You have not said how long of a trip you are taking. If you are going to I 80 through South Wyoming to Utah just because it flatter, I would just take I 70 to Utah. You can spend a lot of time in Colo and Utah without taking the long route through Wy.
In the summer we have a lot of people visiting the state and reservations are needed at lots of Campgrounds.

Zebra
07-16-2018, 04:54 PM
Excellent advice. Seriously, thank you so much.

KimNTerry
07-25-2018, 03:55 PM
I-25 and US 287 are actually very well graded and well behaved roads.

I-25 trails along the front range of the foothills of the Rockies and can be congested in the metropolitan areas of Colorado Springs and Denver. But in general is a pretty easy drive.

287 is a 2 lane road in many places, take your time and if you see traffic backing up behind you use the turn outs.

There is currently construction going on as you go through the west side of Ft Collins, but it's well marked and plenty of room for a trailer.

Other than the metro areas I find Colorado drivers to be quite forgiving towards RVs and large vehicles.

Enjoy your trip and be safe.

travelin texans
07-25-2018, 04:44 PM
Other than the metro areas I find Colorado drivers to be quite forgiving towards RVs and large vehicles.

Enjoy your trip and be safe.

Yea! As they go around you honking & waving, usually with 1 finger!!!
Maybe it's just Texans?

wobly
07-25-2018, 07:12 PM
Yea! As they go around you honking & waving, usually with 1 finger!!!
Maybe it's just Texans?

For some reason, all the Texans go to the Pagosa Springs area and the Californians go to the other areas....at least for hunting.

As others have said, towing around Colorado can be done (we do it all the time), but you have to exercise patience and good judgement. As for the OP's concerns about mountain passes, here is some that I have done and my thoughts on them...
Raton...easy and gradual...I25
La Veta...easy and gradual...Hwy 160
Wolf Creek...steep and curvy, you must downshift. The summit is almost 11,000 feet. It will tax your truck...Hwy 160
Red Mountain...kinda steep, but very narrow road with no shoulder. Great view straight down...Hwy 550
Vail Pass...gradual and generally easy...I70

As long as you control your speed on the downhills, you won't have problems.

HJ Cougar
07-29-2018, 08:38 AM
Hello I don’t think most people read your question thoroughly enough to completely answer your question. You will hit some hilly roads coming through NM and Colorado but they are not real long. As you come through the City of Loveland on 287 you won’t hit any real hills until you pass Owl Canyon Rd then you will hit some ups and downs but nothing real serious. The when you get to the top just past the Colorado Wyoming border it’s all downhill until you reach I-80. Safe travels

LarrySharon
07-29-2018, 09:29 AM
As mentioned there is some major road construction on 287 and it takes you thru Ft Collins. When I went thru a couple of weeks ago major back up just outside of Ft. Collins and heavy traffic and pedestrian traffic in Ft Collins itself. So on the return trip I stayed on I80. So much better. I personally would not use 287 but that is just me.

Zebra
07-29-2018, 10:10 AM
I did it!!!!!! I made it through Raton Pass! One spot I was going 25mph but it was one lane and so was everyone else. I didn’t ride the breaks, downshifted on the desent and watched my trans temp the whole way. I could NOT have done that without everyone’s help, advice and knowledge! Thank you all so much! Now time to explore Colorado!

Canonman
07-29-2018, 11:47 AM
Well Done!!
Enjoy your trip through some of the prettiest country in the west with your new towing confidence.:thewave:

sourdough
07-29-2018, 12:17 PM
I did it!!!!!! I made it through Raton Pass! One spot I was going 25mph but it was one lane and so was everyone else. I didn’t ride the breaks, downshifted on the desent and watched my trans temp the whole way. I could NOT have done that without everyone’s help, advice and knowledge! Thank you all so much! Now time to explore Colorado!

Super!! Sounds like you did it right! Now go have fun in CO; it is one my most favorite states and has so much to see and do - take your time and enjoy!

johnlewis
07-29-2018, 03:42 PM
The climb on I-25 north of Raton is much steeper than anything in the Texas Hill Country. We lived in Kerrville for 10 years, so I am familiar with most of the roads in the HC. We have also done the climb both northbound from Raton and southbound into Raton. There may be short climbs in the HC as steep, but the climb over the pass on I-25 is steep and long. You will struggle to get over it. Our 2012 Ram 3500 dually with Cummins worked hard going over the pass, towing a 13,950 lb 5th wheel, but we were able to stay at 50 to 60 mph.
I you want to sight see in CO (which I heartily recommend), that means lots of mountains, and lots of steep climbs. Going on I-70 eastbound through the Eisenhower tunnel required the TV to work as hard, but it was an even longer climb.
The climb from Durango to Silverton was the hardest climb we found. We did a lot of 45 to 50 mph on the straight stretches, and by the time we got to the pass at about 11,000 ft, the tranny temp was 236 degrees. The tranny temp really concerned me, even though I got no alarms on high temp.
Going downhill is the other issue, as you know. The great thing about our Ram is the exhaust brake, which saves a lot on the brakes, since using the brakes too much isn't a good idea, even with all wheel disc brakes on the Ram.
If you can get a diesel that is designed to handle your pin weight, the trip through the mountains won't be scary - it will be enjoyable.

hankaye
07-29-2018, 04:39 PM
Zebra, Howdy;

We are planning on taking I25 from Texas into Colorado (Trinidad, Raton, Colorado Springs) and up past Loveland. Then 287 Fort Collins to I80 through South Wyoming to Utah.

2015 Ram 2500 5.7 GAS (not diesel) pulling Keystone 30RLDS TT. I had a hard time towing in Texas Hill country. Lost 10-20 mph on the hills. Have only been traveling since January of this year on pretty flat areas. Never even been out west before.

I want to be safe, smart and capable. Before I thought RV drivers do this ALL the time! Currently I’m just petrified. Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Gas engine...heavy trailer ...concerned driver.

Please don’t tell me to get a new truck ��

Ok, first of all I-25 starts at Las Cruces, N.M. Now from my own personal
experiences, the Organ mtns. are to the East of the interstate (I go to las
Cruces weekly), just North of Truth or Consequences there are 2 steep (but not
long), pulls that are needed to be done the rest of the way north so fairly
level. If you are looking for the flattest way to get to Salt Lake City (SLC), I
would, and have taken the following route North on I-25 to exit 203 for route 6,
top of the ramp turn Left (west), it's 2 lane but a decent road. Stay on it till you
find I-40 again you want to go West. You have now avoided Albuquerque and
All of the headaches that entails. Check your gas level next services are
really at Grants. If ya don't need to stop at Grants that ok, next turn is when
you get to Gallup. At Gallup you'll be looking for exit 20 where you want to go
North on US 491 (bottom of off ramp turn Right). Be sure to check the tv
out, gas, windshield washer fluid, kick the tires, stretch your legs etc. 2 lane
road (US Hiway), will take you up and slightly to the East of Ship rock to the
town of ... Shiprock, N.M. During this portion you'll be in the Navajo Nation.
From there it 's a short jump into Colorado while still on US 491. Stay on 491
OH! Before I forget you'll be very close to The Four Corners Monument and
just to the West an hours drive is the Monument Valley where John Wayne
and John Ford made some of the bestest Westerns ever made. Any way ...
you'll know you're in Co. because it will be green. Fuel stops, Not to far into
Co. is the town of Towaoc, it's on the Ute Indian Res. on the Left excellent
truck stop with plenty of room and generally decent pricing. Keep on going
through Montezuma, and Cortez you'll still be on US 491. After Dove Creek
you'll cross over into Utah, next stop is Monticello. Unless you went to visit
the four corners and Monument Valley then you would only need to take US
191 North to bring you to this same spot. Here in Monticello you need to turn
Right onto US 191 and that will take you up through Mohab and ALL the
National Parks in that area this will bring you to I-70 where you DO NOT
want to stop to fill up. That place is overcharging folks by a buck a gallon
then you can buy it at Green River just 20 miles West of there. Top off at Green
River. There will be some rolling hills with some grades to them. They are
long and there is a definite gain in elevation but not like you'll get in Wy.
or Co. Next you'll feel like Moses leading his flock out of Egypt then you'll
spot the sings for exit 56 Salina, Ut. Take it and hit the gas station again,
you will want to follow US-89 North. Beautiful country, Used to live there as
well OH, and Butch Cassidy grew up in that area. Follow 89 N up to Gunnison
there 89 will do like Yogi Berra once said "there's a fork in the road take it" actually
89 turns right at the north end of town and staying on 89 you'll then soon come to Manti
then Ephriam There's a Wally World there on the Left at the North end of town. Roughly
4 &1/4 miles North past the walmart you'll want to turn Left onto SR- 132
straight to Moroni turn Left at the stop sign careful with the slow speed turn
to the right follow this road through the canyon to I-15 at Nephi.

I have made this trip in 14 hours starting from the 59 exit on I-25 in
Southern N.M.
that was without any type of trailer and I was in a hurry. On the way back I
had an enclosed utility trailer behind me. I stopped at Green River that night
and comfortably made it home the next day.

I-80 through Wy. is windy all the time and there is a gnarley hill to go down
into SLC. The 287 route you mentioned is a nice road 2 lane but in excellent condition. The hills (grades), that you will find in Ut. are comparable to those
in both Wy. and Co, that you are considering. I'm just giving you an option
and one that comes from experience and you don't have the Denver traffic
to mess with with my Southern route.

It iS your decision ...

hank

Thought I'd catch ya before you went past me. Ok if it's windy when you get to
Laramie at the west end of town you can grab US 30W take it if it's windy and
forecast is for more wind. I was blown over in a big rig 30 miles west on 80 back in 2002. Was told after the fact that I shoulda taken 30 to avoid the winds.

Good Luck.

sourdough
07-29-2018, 05:02 PM
Zebra, Howdy;



Ok, first of all I-25 starts at Las Cruces, N.M. Now from my own personal
experiences, the Organ mtns. are to the East of the interstate (I go to las
Cruces weekly), just North of Truth or Consequences there are 2 steep (but not
long), pulls that are needed to be done the rest of the way north so fairly
level. If you are looking for the flattest way to get to Salt Lake City (SLC), I
would, and have taken the following route North on I-25 to exit 203 for route 6,
top of the ramp turn Left (west), it's 2 lane but a decent road. Stay on it till you
find I-40 again you want to go West. You have now avoided Albuquerque and
All of the headaches that entails. Check your gas level next services are
really at Grants. If ya don't need to stop at Grants that ok, next turn is when
you get to Gallup. At Gallup you'll be looking for exit 20 where you want to go
North on US 491 (bottom of off ramp turn Right). Be sure to check the tv
out, gas, windshield washer fluid, kick the tires, stretch your legs etc. 2 lane
road (US Hiway), will take you up and slightly to the East of Ship rock to the
town of ... Shiprock, N.M. During this portion you'll be in the Navajo Nation.
From there it 's a short jump into Colorado while still on US 491. Stay on 491
OH! Before I forget you'll be very close to The Four Corners Monument and
just to the West an hours drive is the Monument Valley where John Wayne
and John Ford made some of the bestest Westerns ever made. Any way ...
you'll know you're in Co. because it will be green. Fuel stops, Not to far into
Co. is the town of Towaoc, it's on the Ute Indian Res. on the Left excellent
truck stop with plenty of room and generally decent pricing. Keep on going
through Montezuma, and Cortez you'll still be on US 491. After Dove Creek
you'll cross over into Utah, next stop is Monticello. Unless you went to visit
the four corners and Monument Valley then you would only need to take US
191 North to bring you to this same spot. Here in Monticello you need to turn
Right onto US 191 and that will take you up through Mohab and ALL the
National Parks in that area this will bring you to I-70 where you DO NOT
want to stop to fill up. That place is overcharging folks by a buck a gallon
then you can buy it at Green River just 20 miles West of there. Top off at Green
River. There will be some rolling hills with some grades to them. They are
long and there is a definite gain in elevation but not like you'll get in Wy.
or Co. Next you'll feel like Moses leading his flock out of Egypt then you'll
spot the sings for exit 56 Salina, Ut. Take it and hit the gas station again,
you will want to follow US-89 North. Beautiful country, Used to live there as
well OH, and Butch Cassidy grew up in that area. Follow 89 N up to Gunnison
there 89 will do like Yogi Berra once said "there's a fork in the road take it" actually
89 turns right at the north end of town and staying on 89 you'll then soon come to Manti
then Ephriam There's a Wally World there on the Left at the North end of town. Roughly
4 &1/4 miles North past the walmart you'll want to turn Left onto SR- 132
straight to Moroni turn Left at the stop sign careful with the slow speed turn
to the right follow this road through the canyon to I-15 at Nephi.

I have made this trip in 14 hours starting from the 59 exit on I-25 in
Southern N.M.
that was without any type of trailer and I was in a hurry. On the way back I
had an enclosed utility trailer behind me. I stopped at Green River that night
and comfortably made it home the next day.

I-80 through Wy. is windy all the time and there is a gnarley hill to go down
into SLC. The 287 route you mentioned is a nice road 2 lane but in excellent condition. The hills (grades), that you will find in Ut. are comparable to those
in both Wy. and Co, that you are considering. I'm just giving you an option
and one that comes from experience and you don't have the Denver traffic
to mess with with my Southern route.

It iS your decision ...

hank

Thought I'd catch ya before you went past me. Ok if it's windy when you get to
Laramie at the west end of town you can grab US 30W take it if it's windy and
forecast is for more wind. I was blown over in a big rig 30 miles west on 80 back in 2002. Was told after the fact that I shoulda taken 30 to avoid the winds.

Good Luck.


Hank,

I'm not making that trip....yet, but, I want to tell you that I REALLY appreciate the detailed info for that trip because, although we travel all over the SW, we haven't taken that route. I'm sure the OP appreciates it as well.:)

hankaye
07-30-2018, 04:23 PM
sourdough, Howdy;

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the travelogue. The one main thing I keep telling
friends from back East is to keep checking your gas/fuel level as this is truly
that part of the country where the signs for "Next Gas and Services 125 miles"
is a fact not a joke. The check before you turn onto a new road
is for safety as it's not always marked when to expect the next services.

It is better in parts of Co. and near the interstates in Wy. but the SE corner
of and across the bottom of Utah are desolate, empty areas. Green River is
the last place with reasonable gas/fuel prices before crossing into CO. and
getting to Grand Junction after putting Salina, Ut. in your rearview mirror,
then it's all the way to Moab and that tourist type pricey.

hank