Dogs everywhere??

[travelin texans]

There's another topic started earlier about when & where those that choose can/cannot carry weapons on them or with them.
I know I'm going to catch hell about this, but surely we're not the only ones concerned about.
Lately DW & I have noticed that EVERYWHERE we go anymore (grocery stores, casinos, restsurants) that someone has a dog. Now don't get me wrong I love dogs/pets, but I don't allow mine at the table & I sure as hell don't want yours where I eat. Saw a couple at Wal-Mart with a small poodle looking dog on a leash, the man was looking a steaks in the counter & all the while little Fifi has her front feet up on the counter sniffing the packages, we DID NOT buy ANY meat from there.
I know some of the animal's are service animals & are necessary for those individuals, but if they are indeed service animals in my opinion they should be marked with the tags, collars, vests or something to indicate that it's so. If there's a law concerning this I'd like to know the particulars.
As I said we've always had dogs & other pets til we retired & started full time thing & it was difficult to come & go as we liked & trying find pet sitting, so once ours went to doggy heaven we didn't replace it. But in my opinion as much as I liked ours, they're pets not people, I'm not daddy & the wife is not mommy to the dog.
Ok! There's my opinion, so let the fight start!

[66joej]

Up here in the Frozen North we buy annuals ( flowers and such). Nothing grows all year long. So our local hardware store allows dogs on a leash in the store. We were looking at some plants when a large German Shepherd lifted it's leg and had a very substantial leak on a group of plants. Told the clerk but only got a shoulder shrug. Someone will buy them and wonder why they won't grow. :(

[xrated]

We take our 7 month old puppy with us to CERTAIN places that allow dogs (other than service animals), but we have rules that have to be followed. 99% of the time he is being carried by Peggy or I and that one percent might be for example...in the outdoor section of a Lowes....garden/lawn chairs and tables, etc....where we might let him down to walk on a 6' or less leash. He brings a lot of happiness to our lives, but we also know that is not the same for everyone and we try to make sure that he does not, in any way, cause others to be annoyed or concerned with his presence. He is kind of a dangerous dog though.....when I'm holding him and someone comes up to see if they can pet him, I always warn them of the dangers......1. His wagging tail may beat me to death. 2. He may lick the person to death. It is like many things in this world, a little bit of common sense goes a long way.

[Ken / Claudia]

Have had dogs most of my life, they are companions but, they are still animals and should not go everywhere the human goes unless it is for sight etc.
I do not like it at all seeing them in the restaurants or food stores. Mine stay home or when temps are right they stay in the vehicle and do just fine, in fact they like the greeting a lot when we met again.
Now they are on public transport and everywhere as you said. Now we have reports every summer of those dogs attacking people and other animals because they are not service dogs as they person claims.
My feeling is that many who take their dogs or other pets everywhere enjoy the attention others may give their dogs. They (the person) becomes special others look at them, others want to talk to them or pet the dog. Just look at their faces when someone says that's a cute dog you have.
Nothing like putting food into a cart a dog just rubbed his rear end in for the last 30 minutes.

[66joej]

Thank goodness you hang on to him . Those Min Pins can take a man's arm off!:lol::lol::lol:

[travelin texans]

Nothing like putting food into a cart a dog just rubbed his rear end in for the last 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]



That's my feeling exactly! Maybe instead of the little wipes for handles they should have huge towels or a cart wash.... or better yet leave the dog at home.
In the doctors office complex yesterday someone had what appeared to be a Burmese Mountain dog on a leash with NO markings as being a service dog barking at everyone that passed by. This incident is what prompted me to post this thread.
"Dog friendly" motels?? Do they use a few specific rooms for pets or do they put them in any room in the building? Not everyone takes the greatest care of their bundle of fur so therefore are those motels spreading fleas/ticks throughout the building?
They post signs "no shirt, no shoes, no service" how about one that says "marked/licenced/tagged service animals only"!
I will warn that if I or my family get bit by one that is not clearly marked as a service animal or warned that it's a crouch there WILL be police & lawyers involved.
I apologize for sounding like a old grump on this subject, I just think there should be some common courtesy where non pet owners are concerned with your animals. DO NOT take them anywhere with people food UNLESS they are a registered service animal.

[Northofu1]

I work in a community centre, we had an instance where one of my staff had informed a patron that dogs were not allowed in the building, of course after my staff member cleaned up the patrons dog's feces in the hallway. The Patron yelled at him there was no signage about dogs not being allowed in the building. If it had been me that cleaned his mutts crap up, and he yelled at me he would have been wearing it. :). When I was growing up, only service dogs were allowed in any public buildings.

Society has gone to the dogs

[vampress_me]

“Nothing like putting food into a cart a dog just rubbed his rear end in for the last 30 minutes.”

Ewww! And up until now I’ve always looked at shopping cart seats as the only problem area - as in diaper bottomed kids with a diaper blowout and parents not cleaning up real well, if at all. Now I’m going to be looking at the whole cart and thinking “yuck!” Thanks....:eek:

And then there’s the other part of the dog everywhere mindset I don’t like. What about the people who are allergic to animals/dogs? They are just supposed to put up with the inconsiderate people who just have to have their precious poodle (or whatever breed) with them? Why should they have to deal with sneezing, coughing, itchy watery eyes, not being able to breathe? Doesn’t make sense to me.

[DocWMB]

:soapbox:

Having badges, collars, vests or even ID Cards for Service Animals is a waste of time, because counterfeits are all so readily available on the web, and, since they aren't required by law, their presence frequently indicates the animal is a fake :angel:. Legally, current law allows businesses to ask 2 questions of owners... 1) Is this a service animal? (Only dogs and horses may be) and 2) What service is he trained to perform for you? You cannot ask about the disability. Emotional support animals are NOT Service Animals. Service Animals are trained not to potty indoors, or cause disturbances, and if that happens, they may be legally asked to vacate the premises. A Service Animal should not be approached or distracted while doing it's job. If there are a bunch of folks fawning all over a pet, you can be sure it's not really a Service Animal.

:twocents:

[travelin texans]

Thanks folks! This went much better than I anticipated. From our observations we're in the minority of rvers that don't have a dog/dogs, so I was expecting to be nailed. Just glad we're not the only ones thinking it's all "gone to the dogs"!

[Fishsizzle]

We have 5 pups and own a dog daycare. We see it all, all day everyday.

We love our dogs, only store they go into is Home Depot. And we never use the check outs that have food.

I have to say, I’m really grossed out when fingers from kids that have been who knows where are grabbing at food and the throwing a fit for Mom to put it in cart only to have said parent on the phone texting away. Only to put food back on shelf.

I almost hurled today as the checker at Safeway rubbed his runny nose 10-15 times while bagging my groceries.

My pups aren’t perfect, but we work with them constantly to be good and quiet.

[FlyingAroundRV]

I could not agree more with the general thrust of this thread.
Why oh why can't people leave their dogs at home? I get that you like your pet(s) and I don't especially mind dogs, it's just that when I go to a restaurant/shopping or (I'm going to really cop it for this) camping, I want to enjoy myself and not have to deal with other peoples' mutts sniffing or peeing on my leg etc, or (and this is the biggie) barking or howling all the time.
I just came back from a trip to the outback and at one of the parks we stayed at, some people tied their dogs up to a tree while they went swimming in the water hole. The whole time they were swimming, the two dogs barked continuously. Every now and then the people would roar at their dogs to "shaddap!" which did exactly ... zip.
I get that you like your pets, but why do you have to inflict them on everyone around you?

[notanlines]

Since Travelin Texan found it necessary to be so grumpy, I think I'll just jump on the bandwagon and pound one more nail in this coffin. Earlier it was said "Emotional support animals are NOT Service Animals." I concur 100%. If you can't feel good about yourself in a restaurant without Fifi at your side then stay in the car. No way I'm buying in to the term "Emotional Support Animal." Bogus as a football bat!
We have on occasion visited Bisbee, Arizona. A fun little city and very dog-friendly. As near as I know dogs are welcome in most of the casual bars and restaurants in town (probably not all.) There you know it in advance and can deal with it.
I don't know where America is headed, but why is it so hot in here, and what exactly is a "hand-basket?"

[14george]

Have two shelties the only stor3 they go in is a pet store like Petsmart other wise they stay home

[xrated]

Oh, and just so y'all know, we would NEVER take our dog to a restaurant of any kind.

[xrated]

I could not agree more with the general thrust of this thread.
Why oh why can't people leave their dogs at home? I get that you like your pet(s) and I don't especially mind dogs, it's just that when I go to a restaurant/shopping or (I'm going to really cop it for this) camping, I want to enjoy myself and not have to deal with other peoples' mutts sniffing or peeing on my leg etc, or (and this is the biggie) barking or howling all the time.
I just came back from a trip to the outback and at one of the parks we stayed at, some people tied their dogs up to a tree while they went swimming in the water hole. The whole time they were swimming, the two dogs barked continuously. Every now and then the people would roar at their dogs to "shaddap!" which did exactly ... zip.
I get that you like your pets, but why do you have to inflict them on everyone around you?

We plan on taking our dog with us camping EVERY time we will be going and if he does any of the things that you mention above.....we have failed at our job of being responsible pet owners. You just happened to be camping by some folks that have failed and/or have no common sense when it comes to their pets. Will our dog bark at something/someone once in a while.....yes....he is a 7 month old puppy! Will it be allowed to continue by us....NO! We have been training and will continue to train him on appropriate behavior and will not allow him to be in charge of doing whatever he wants to do. If you make contact with our dog, it will be because you chose to come over to our campsite and visit with him.....not the other way around. I'm sorry you have had some bad experiences with other's pets, but please don't lump all pet owners into the same category.

[Racebug]

When camping, I take my 120 pound german shepherd everywhere. He doesn't care what you think. But I would never take him into a restaurant or non-dog related store.:D

[MarcS]

We take our Beagles camping with us all the time. They don't leave the site unless they're with us in a leash. We clean up after them. They are allowed to bark. But not continuously. Our Beagles love camping as much as we do! We can't do a lot of stuff in near by towns because we will not take them in stores, unless allowed by store owners. I don't let our dogs bother other people. If they're being obnoxious, which they can be, we put them in the camper to chill out. It's their home away from home, just like us.

[ken56]

The poster who said that its the owners that like the attention the dog gets them is spot on. Some people are so starved for attention that they use whatever they have found to be effective, from babies to cute doggies. Its sad really. Responsible owners would never let their dog defecate where they should not and then leave it for someone else to clean up nor would they let them get into something that they should not. It takes all kinds I guess. My wife worked retail, you should hear some of those stories. Lets just say it wasn't the dog pooping where they shouldn't.

[mosquitoman]

I couldn't agree more, our two dogs are far better behaved than a lot of kids and even adults that we come in contact with in camp grounds.

[Javi]

I'm thinking that the dog's butt might not be the worse thing to sit in that basket... :D especially in Walmart :D

I'll also freely admit that I like my dog better than most of the people I meet...

[Racebug]

I'm thinking that the dog's butt might not be the worse thing to sit in that basket... :D especially in Walmart :D

I'll also freely admit that I like my dog better than most of the people I meet...

what he said x 2!!

[Fishsizzle]

I'm thinking that the dog's butt might not be the worse thing to sit in that basket... :D especially in Walmart :D

I'll also freely admit that I like my dog better than most of the people I meet...


Agreed! Google “walmartian” and see what comes up.

As far as attention, yes, they crave attention. When people tell me their dog is afraid of such and such, it’s code for they are afraid of it. People Chanel way to much into their dogs. Yes they are a great companion and life without them is to me pretty boring, but end of the day, they can’t tell time. They pretty much accept their situation, and trust me, my hound dog would leave me to head home with anyone with a meal.

[Barbell]

We are with Javi. Our dogs are smarter and have better manners than most people. If they spoke English and had thumbs, would send them to school. However they still stay either in the RV or the truck when we are out.

[KHBama]

We have 5 pups and own a dog daycare. We see it all, all day everyday.

We love our dogs, only store they go into is Home Depot. And we never use the check outs that have food.

I have to say, I’m really grossed out when fingers from kids that have been who knows where are grabbing at food and the throwing a fit for Mom to put it in cart only to have said parent on the phone texting away. Only to put food back on shelf.

I almost hurled today as the checker at Safeway rubbed his runny nose 10-15 times while bagging my groceries.

My pups aren’t perfect, but we work with them constantly to be good and quiet.

We have 4 dogs and own a Boarding/Daycare as well. I see posts about not liking to see dogs at restaurants? In my 41 years, I've never seen a dog at a restaurant. We take 2 camping with us every time we go. They are just as well behaved as our children.

[chuckster57]

What about a well behaved, harness trained cat?
16502

[travelin texans]

What about a well behaved, harness trained cat?
16502

In the last couple years we've seen several. In most of the cases it was to dog proof their site, if a dog came within leash length they suffered the cats wrath, regardless of the dogs size. Kind of comical to watch.

[chuckster57]

even more comical is the questions I get about my cat on a leash.

[CaptnJohn]

I'm sitting in the truck with Roscoe while my wife shops. He has no business in most stores, not even most pet friendly stores.
On the other hand he is better behaved and cleaner than many, probably most, rugrats people call children. If I see a dog in a restaurant I'll most often find another place to eat.

[MerlinB]

I'm thinking that the dog's butt might not be the worse thing to sit in that basket... :D especially in Walmart :D

I'll also freely admit that I like my dog better than most of the people I meet...

:lol: :lol: :lol: Nailed it!!!

[ctbruce]

We've had our boys with us at an outside dining restaurant at lunch. The laid at our feet and slept. Would not do that at dinner. Would never consider taking them inside for any reason.

[DocWMB]

We plan on taking our dog with us camping EVERY time we will be going and if he does any of the things that you mention above.....we have failed at our job of being responsible pet owners. You just happened to be camping by some folks that have failed and/or have no common sense when it comes to their pets. Will our dog bark at something/someone once in a while.....yes....he is a 7 month old puppy! Will it be allowed to continue by us....NO! We have been training and will continue to train him on appropriate behavior and will not allow him to be in charge of doing whatever he wants to do. If you make contact with our dog, it will be because you chose to come over to our campsite and visit with him.....not the other way around. I'm sorry you have had some bad experiences with other's pets, but please don't lump all pet owners into the same category.

Here, here, Xrated! My pets DO belong with me camping and our 4th of July Campout is specifically to get them away from all the Fireworks in town. This post exactly voices my thoughts. It's not bad pets. It's bad owners.

[FlyingAroundRV]

Chuckster:
I actually prefer cats to dogs and I respect that you keep your cat on a leash.
But last year while travelling from Atlanta to Oshkosh, I noticed a distinct lack of wildlife in most of the parks we stayed at. After seeing numerous campers with pets, I wondered whether the presence of cats and dogs in the parks contributed to the wildlife giving the parks a wide berth.
It certainly was the case in the John James Audubon park when I was trying to video a squirrel and a cardinal and the neighbors little yapster came rushing up barking and chasing everything it saw. The owner apologised profusely for the intrusion, but it would have been better if he had controlled yapster in the first place, and better yet if yapster hadn't been there at all.

[travelin texans]

We've had our boys with us at an outside dining restaurant at lunch. The laid at our feet and slept. Would not do that at dinner. Would never consider taking them inside for any reason.

"Our boys"? Kids or dogs??


16513
Went into the little neighborhood IGA store this morning & this sign was posted at the door & at the register. Good for them!!
Edit; Sorry can't read the sign, but it states no pets allowed unless certified, registered service animals.

[xrated]

Here, here, Xrated! My pets DO belong with me camping and our 4th of July Campout is specifically to get them away from all the Fireworks in town. This post exactly voices my thoughts. It's not bad pets. It's bad owners.

Thank you DocWMB.....what I wrote just seems like common sense to me, but then again, I give a lot of credit to my parents for raising me properly and I'm thankful that I was born with or acquired some common sense. :D

[xrated]

Who wouldn't love a face like this.....all 12 lbs of personality and love!
https://i.imgur.com/1QXYlkP.jpg

American Manchester Terrier Toy!

[Northofu1]

you could easily sub in kids as well as dogs. There are great parents with great kids, and there are great pet owners with great pets. I think the real problem we can all agree on are the idiots. :)

[Jim & Kay]

We are the owners of 4 fur babies. I agree that animals should not be permitted in grocery stores, restaurants, or bars other than service animals. Having said that, when it comes to camping in campgrounds at least 70% of campers have at least 1 pet with them, even in million dollar plus motorhomes. Our fur babies are for our enjoyment and we do not allow them to cause disturbances and we clean up after them always. But for those who cannot tolerate dogs in campgrounds they should find campgrounds that are not animal friendly or sell their toys and find another interest. We are not going to stop taking our fur babies camping with us and the reason is not that we crave grumpy people's attention, it is because we enjoy our babies. And if we choose to call ourselves Mommy & Daddy to our fur babies, I don't recall asking for permission. Have a great day.

[RoscoeV]

I'm sitting in the truck with Roscoe while my wife shops. He has no business in most stores, not even most pet friendly stores.
On the other hand he is better behaved and cleaner than many, probably most, rugrats people call children. If I see a dog in a restaurant I'll most often find another place to eat.

I resent that remark about not having any business in stores.... Lol

[vampress_me]

“Google “walmartian” and see what comes up.”

No please. :) I see enough in our local Walmart.

I do have to admit the thought has crossed my mind a few times when people and pets have been particularly yucky in the local Wally World, I have been tempted to bring our miniature horse in, just to irritate said pet people. But, then I realize I was raised better and there’s no point stooping to their level...must be why I also wear real clothes into Walmart too.

[sourdough]

"Our boys"? Kids or dogs??


16513
Went into the little neighborhood IGA store this morning & this sign was posted at the door & at the register. Good for them!!
Edit; Sorry can't read the sign, but it states no pets allowed unless certified, registered service animals.


The pic is a little fuzzy but from what I can tell what they are asking for is illegal and a service dog owner does not have to provide it;

Directly from the ADA;

"When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task."

I agree that the folks claiming to have "service" dogs is a problem. Lots of folks have what are "comfort" animals and then call them service dogs - they aren't and don't have the rights of a service dog. And, only dogs are qualified as service "animals". Again, from the ADA;

"Beginning on March 15, 2011, only dogs are recognized as service animals under titles II and III of the ADA.
■ A service animal is a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a disability.
■ Generally, title II and title III entities must permit service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas where members of the public are allowed to go."

I think a large part of the problem with the proliferation of "service" dogs is the fact that the law is written pretty broadly, and vaguely, to protect those that find a service dog necessary. With that problem, business owners don't really know what to do so just let it pass instead of risk running afoul of the law. I've been told this multiple times. If they would just ask the two allowed questions if they had doubts it would probably reduce the proliferation of the fake service dogs.

Another issue that I think is probably an issue is the fact that today's society has changed drastically. Folks aren't polite and trying to follow the rules like they used to. I suspect that a business owner is a little wary of asking a person about their dog even if it's a comfort dog because that person will more than likely start yelling and screaming, calling names and causing a ruckus....so they just let it go. Again, asking the 2 questions, which are legal and the dog owner must answer, would go a long way in reducing the problem...IMO.

As far as dogs going everywhere their humans go.....I say no. Dogs have no place in a restaurant or grocery store. If an individual's mobility depends on the dog due to a disability that is a different story. There are many classifications of service dogs but most are not necessary for those kinds of things. My son has a service dog for PTSD - which is a new class as far as I know and he takes his into restaurants. It causes no problems, lays down (usually in a corner) and leaves when he does. I still do not like it and have told him that.

Barking dogs, again I say no. The dog should be trained to know that it isn't acceptable. It's unfortunate, but far too many folks bring their dogs to a campground and let the dog carry on for hours. Unacceptable. I mentioned it to a person this past winter and they said...."we don't even hear it....it's his personality".....really?

Like one poster said, there aren't usually bad dogs; just bad owners that don't take the time, or spend the money, to have their dogs properly trained. JMO - YMMV

[66joej]

Who wouldn't love a face like this.....all 12 lbs of personality and love!
https://i.imgur.com/1QXYlkP.jpg

American Manchester Terrier Toy!

Come on Jim. As Jay Leno would say. "that is just not right". But in your little man's defence he is cute! :cool:

[travelin texans]

We are the owners of 4 fur babies. I agree that animals should not be permitted in grocery stores, restaurants, or bars other than service animals. Having said that, when it comes to camping in campgrounds at least 70% of campers have at least 1 pet with them, even in million dollar plus motorhomes. Our fur babies are for our enjoyment and we do not allow them to cause disturbances and we clean up after them always. But for those who cannot tolerate dogs in campgrounds they should find campgrounds that are not animal friendly or sell their toys and find another interest. We are not going to stop taking our fur babies camping with us and the reason is not that we crave grumpy people's attention, it is because we enjoy our babies. And if we choose to call ourselves Mommy & Daddy to our fur babies, I don't recall asking for permission. Have a great day.

I have no issue with dogs/pets at campgrounds/rv parks provided they are ALWAYS on a leash when outside not just when you leave your site, which is stated in 99.9% of park rules, the owners pick up after them regardless if it's on park property or not, which is stated in 99.9% of park rules, & they DO NOT bark at everyone/everything that goes by your campsite while you sit idly by & not tell it to shut up or put it away. Or put it inside when you leave for a few hours & it's nonstop barking the entire time. My problem is that 50%+ of the owners we've parked near seem to be exempt from ALL of those rules. I agree it's the owners fault not the dogs, but still very annoying.
If you want to be mommy & daddy to a dog then by all means be doggy daddy, personally that sounds silly & little questionable.
Just don't let any of your precious babies accompany mommy & daddy to the grocery store, restaurant, hardware store, casinos or any place that has food for mommy & daddy & has NOTHING for the dog.

[Fishsizzle]

Sooooo, if they are allowed, then they are allowed. Again, I appreciate that my dogs, are dogs, I don’t expect anyone to cower to my wishes. I believe throughly in the golden rule of do unto others as you want done to you.

My pups are allowed, even encouraged in Home Depot and Lowe’s in fact many of the cashiers have cookies for the dogs in their aprons.

In my town 80% dog ownership. It was dog town USA a few years ago.
They are very tolerated in the town, water dishes everywhere.

But they are allowed to sit with owners on patios and sidewalks while they eat.

The whole idea of getting angry at someone for what they choose to call themselves is also silly. If they want to call themselves mom and pops to pups, so be it.

The culture of dogs has changed, and with change comes anger that the “good old days” are gone. One gen was scared of Elvis, the next scared of hippies, the next afraid of whatever you want to call us Gen X twerps. And now I’m stymied at the weird tidepod munching, condom snorting gen we are watching now. It goes with the territory. Fight it, or find common ground and realize we all want the same thing, happiness, just different ways to find it.

[Frank G]

In the RV Resort we winter in, about a quarter of it is "Pet Free". You can not even walk your pet in this area. It works out for everyone. Every common area is also pet free. We have a large amount of wildlife including at least 3 alligators and one lives on the golf course with instructions to "Play Around".

On the pet friendly side we have a large doggie park, plenty of leash areas and an active pet owners association. Doggie bags and disposal sites abound and we even have a wash and grooming station. :cool:

[FlyingAroundRV]

In the RV Resort we winter in, about a quarter of it is "Pet Free". You can not even walk your pet in this area. It works out for everyone. Every common area is also pet free. We have a large amount of wildlife including at least 3 alligators and one lives on the golf course with instructions to "Play Around".

On the pet friendly side we have a large doggie park, plenty of leash areas and an active pet owners association. Doggie bags and disposal sites abound and we even have a wash and grooming station. :cool:
Now that's a solution I can get on board with!:iagree::thewave:

[Fishsizzle]

In the RV Resort we winter in, about a quarter of it is "Pet Free". You can not even walk your pet in this area. It works out for everyone. Every common area is also pet free. We have a large amount of wildlife including at least 3 alligators and one lives on the golf course with instructions to "Play Around".

On the pet friendly side we have a large doggie park, plenty of leash areas and an active pet owners association. Doggie bags and disposal sites abound and we even have a wash and grooming station. :cool:

This is a smart park, and a smart business owner who understand how to make money and keep all his customers happy.

[Frank G]

This is a smart park, and a smart business owner who understand how to make money and keep all his customers happy.


The park is share owned, and managed by the residents, A debt free facility.
www.travelersrestresort.com

[gearhead]

I could write a book.
I'm known in my neighborhood as "the dog killer". I called the cops countless times on both neighbors. Dogs barking all night, lunging at the fence anytime I walk outside, going crazy anytime kids ride by on bicycles, etc. One of my neighbors had 2 expensive bully dogs that wound up dead. I swear I didn't do it. The other neighbor had 2 large dogs on chains. Of course they would get loose a couple times a month. Went charging out in the street when the Police Chief's wife rode by on a bicycle. If I hadn't been there to scare the dog off it could have been ugly. They finally put up a fence and built a kennel. But now the dogs are digging out. No wonder, they are in the Texas sun all day with no shade.
This morning I'm mowing the grass and the neighbor is across the street dragging his dogs by the collars back to his house. I'm thinking it will never end. But I do keep a 357 in the garage in case of an opportunity.
I don't care if you have a pet giraffe. But when it starts impacting my life something will change.
It's not the dogs, it's their lazy owners that won't spend any time training them.
I won't even get into the neighbor that drives around town with his dogs head out the car window and his butt in his face.

[Fishsizzle]

The park is share owned, and managed by the residents, A debt free facility.
www.travelersrestresort.com

Then they are a level headed bunch and should be commended for taking such an approach that took everyone into consideration hats off to them!

[Fishsizzle]

I could write a book.
I'm known in my neighborhood as "the dog killer". I called the cops countless times on both neighbors. Dogs barking all night, lunging at the fence anytime I walk outside, going crazy anytime kids ride by on bicycles, etc. One of my neighbors had 2 expensive bully dogs that wound up dead. I swear I didn't do it. The other neighbor had 2 large dogs on chains. Of course they would get loose a couple times a month. Went charging out in the street when the Police Chief's wife rode by on a bicycle. If I hadn't been there to scare the dog off it could have been ugly. They finally put up a fence and built a kennel. But now the dogs are digging out. No wonder, they are in the Texas sun all day with no shade.
This morning I'm mowing the grass and the neighbor is across the street dragging his dogs by the collars back to his house. I'm thinking it will never end. But I do keep a 357 in the garage in case of an opportunity.
I don't care if you have a pet giraffe. But when it starts impacting my life something will change.
It's not the dogs, it's their lazy owners that won't spend any time training them.
I won't even get into the neighbor that drives around town with his dogs head out the car window and his butt in his face.


Sorry, how crazy. But your absolutely right. Owners do need to be responsible. If you can’t spend time with your pup and their care, then really consider what’s in the best interest For the dog. It might be a new home. I have been chased by pit bulls and bitten By far to many dogs at work. Again it’s these situations and lack of respect for others that lead to bad names for the dogs.

[sourdough]

I could write a book.
I'm known in my neighborhood as "the dog killer". I called the cops countless times on both neighbors. Dogs barking all night, lunging at the fence anytime I walk outside, going crazy anytime kids ride by on bicycles, etc. One of my neighbors had 2 expensive bully dogs that wound up dead. I swear I didn't do it. The other neighbor had 2 large dogs on chains. Of course they would get loose a couple times a month. Went charging out in the street when the Police Chief's wife rode by on a bicycle. If I hadn't been there to scare the dog off it could have been ugly. They finally put up a fence and built a kennel. But now the dogs are digging out. No wonder, they are in the Texas sun all day with no shade.
This morning I'm mowing the grass and the neighbor is across the street dragging his dogs by the collars back to his house. I'm thinking it will never end. But I do keep a 357 in the garage in case of an opportunity.
I don't care if you have a pet giraffe. But when it starts impacting my life something will change.
It's not the dogs, it's their lazy owners that won't spend any time training them.
I won't even get into the neighbor that drives around town with his dogs head out the car window and his butt in his face.

Awww Brent, "dog killer"?? I think your still stressed from all the doctor work:)

With all that dog "stuff" going on around you isn't there some legal recourse against these folks vs killing the animals? If one attacks you I would be having charges filed against the owner. Your description tells me of some folks that shouldn't even have dogs - and therein lies the problem for good dog owners and those that don't want to deal with dogs in general - the lazy "dog owners" that could care less about the animal or those they impact; they should be fined every day that their animals act out because they won't take care of them.

For most of my life I felt about dogs as you do; and still do to a degree. I'm just more in tune with dogs at this stage of my life vs my earlier years and understand the owner's shortcomings vs the animal's. Good luck on your dealings with all those folks.

[KCSA75]

We started taking Ol' Roscoe with us on our weekend trips last fall out of necessity. Previously, he stayed home with my mother-in-law who lives with us. But she had a medical scare and now stays with a friend or relative when we head for the lake.

My biggest worry the first time we took him was that he would be barking at everybody that walked by, wanting to take off after every squirrel he saw and raising cane every time a critter wandered in or around our campsite in the middle of the night. But to our surprise, he's very good.

When there are other campers around, I keep him on a 20-foot leash and he's happy as a clam. Last fall and early this year, we had several trips where we were the only ones in the campground. Those times, I didn't tie him up. He might wander around -- never out of eyesight -- but spends most of the time lying on the camp carpet sleeping or just watching the world go by. Mary thinks he likes camping more than we do. She might be right.

[gearhead]

^^Danny you can bet I'll file charges. The best thing that happened to the bully dogs was about the 4th time I called the police, the chief showed up and about knocked their front door down. It got a lot quieter over there after that. Soon after they found both dogs dead, and I think they got rid of another one. I assume they got snake bit, the owners were oblivious, and the dogs didn't get any medical treatment.
My other neighbor works in oil services and is out of town a lot. I don't blame his wife for wanting a dog, but I think they over did it.
We have had dogs and I don't have anything against them. My son has 2 dogs that stay kenneled if he is not home. Both are fairly well trained. Sometimes with a steel toed boot, but they mind and there is no question that they are not the alpha dog in that pack.
My Dad was a coon dog field trial judge and we always had hunting dogs. But they did what he wanted or they weren't around very long.

[captcolour]

Don't take the dog into stores. 20 yrs ago were in Boston doing the freedom trail with the kids and our miniature poodle at the time. It was after lunch (maybe 1:30) and see a deli down a side street. Take the kids inside to sit at the counter to get sandwiches. We were the only people inside. Wife and dog were waiting outside. Owner sees the dog, cuts up some meat and takes it outside with water for the dog. Next thing I know Coley is sitting with us at the counter. Owner brought him (and the wife) inside. Luckily there wasn't anyone else there including the health inspector.

[Ken / Claudia]

We camped at a nearby state park last month. They have 2 off leash areas away from the camp sites. We walk the dog on leash to the nearest one, than off leash and play get the ball. Dog is a 100 lb 100% labrador. About half of the campers with dogs had them off leash at the sites both little and big dogs. Most ran over to us, lucky no fights. When our dog is outside the RV he is on a leash always. Last year at same park a bulldog with window open drove by while we were walking. That dog jumped out the open window maybe to fight but he was really disoriented after hitting the road and rolling and nearly run over by his owner.

[Freeheel4life]

It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

Curious if theres any part of this program that sounds offensive to others that have responded here. This big girl loves to make sure I'm taking my time on the forklift.

[xrated]

It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

Curious if theres any part of this program that sounds offensive to others that have responded here. This big girl loves to make sure I'm taking my time on the forklift.

Personally, I'm with ya! And if my dog/puppy, for now is not disturbing or bothering anyone else, then I really don't care whether or not they approve of him being with us. And if it's bothering that person just because they don't approve of a dog being in an approved place......then I REALLY don't care. Get over it and move on with your life. Life's too short to get your undergarments twisted over something so inconsequential.

[FlyingAroundRV]

I get it that people want to take their pets with them anywhere they can. And I'm betting that not one of the people who've posted here, that take the care to restrain their dogs or don't take them where they should be, would have a problem if someone else said they weren't happy to have the dog around. These people are the responsible owners.
Unfortunately, there is a significant number of irresponsible owners who make life unpleasant for those who don't want the dogs near them AND the responsible dog owners. Again, it's a case of everyone suffers because of a few bad apples.

[notanlines]

It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

Curious if theres any part of this program that sounds offensive to others that have responded here. This big girl loves to make sure I'm taking my time on the forklift.
Freeheel, you had me until I saw the picture. Here we were, everyone behaving in a mannerly fashion, all getting along within reason and then we find out that you don't let your best girl drive the forklift.....just because she doesn't have thumbs?
Here we were thinking you were a good owner....:D

[Freeheel4life]

Lol, she's a good navigator ;)
We are lucky thay our boss is a dog lover. Mine are back in the shop most of the time. He brings his golden. She's a great kid distractor while moms and dads are doing the stuff that takes times like signing docs.
The UPS guy has them all trained that's for sure. The Fed Ex guy doesn't bring treats but they follow him around like he has some. They recognize the uniform and the truck and figure treats.

[sourdough]

It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

Curious if theres any part of this program that sounds offensive to others that have responded here. This big girl loves to make sure I'm taking my time on the forklift.

I had said in a previous post that dogs don't belong in restaurants. With that I meant enclosed, crowded type restaurants. Even IF they are allowed. There are too many folks with phobias, allergies etc. for the owner to insist that they take their dog into something like that. All we as dog owners do then is reinforce their dislike of us and the animals and perpetuate the stories of "THOSE people" (dog owners). There is no valid reason to try to do that; the dog doesn't have to be with the owner; it doesn't have to go inside so it can eat...or lay down. It's there because the owner WANTS it to be.....because. My dog can legally go anywhere I do, but I don't because most of the time it isn't a necessity - and it can, and has, really upset people. No need for that unless it can't be avoided.

As far as the question if anything about what you said is offensive....not to me. To me there is a distinction between an outdoor type setting on a patio etc. in a dog friendly establishment vs one like I described above - as long as the animals are good and they are on a leash. There is a place in Pagosa Springs with a patio by the river that has some great cinnamon rolls. We like to take our dog with us there and so do other folks. The water bowls are out and they have treats for them. It is open so I don't worry about folks with allergies; after that, in that environment, if a person just doesn't like dogs....they probably shouldn't be there since that is what the place promotes.

And yes, by looking at that puppy's face I think she is all but begging to get her hands....err, paws, on the controls! She looks like my pup; watches every move I make when driving the vehicle; if she thinks I'm pushing the wrong button, or pulling the wrong lever, she perks her ears and cocks her head as if to say "hey, that's not right...do you know what you're doing?", then looks at me with ears up and a piercing stare. Then, I have to double check everything ;) to make sure I didn't make a mistake (just kidding). One of these days I'm just going to have to get in the passenger seat and let her take a spin.....:lol:

[sourdough]

This thread has been about dogs, where they go, should go etc. To lighten things up, what about taking a pig for a ride?....:D

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/20/ohio-man-calls-police-to-report-hes-being-followed-by-pig.html

[ctbruce]

Just for reference, the only question that can be asked about service animals is if it is a service animal. If the answer is yes then that's the end of the discussion. So just as a note, dont yo IP and pet a service animal. They are working, many times to make sure their owner is safe.

[SAABDOCTOR]

NOPE I AM WITH YOU TOO. I HAVE TWO DOGS THEY GO WITH US EVERYPLACE BUT NEVER IN THE FOOD STORE OR EATING ESTABLISMENTS. I LOVE DOGS ALMOST MORE THAN SOME PEOPLE. BUT I WOULD NEVER THINK THAT ALL PEOPLE SHOULD LOVE MY DOGS. WHEN WE GO FOOD SHOPING ONE OF US STAYS IN THE CAR WITH THE PUPS.:whistling:

[Ruffus]

Hey TT
Service dogs are suppose to be vested and ID'ed and a real trained service animal would not be peeing on plants in a store or up on a counter sniffing the meat. The problem here is that people can go on line and register their animal for fifty dollars as a service animal because of the way the ADA is written. The other problem and really the biggest problem is that the people at the stores and restaurants and other establishments are not trained or do not know the law because they have never taken the time to read it and are scared that if they refuse a person and their dog they will be chastised in the news or even lose their job. It's really a shame that our law makers did not research what they were writing when they passed the law. Those of us that need them appreciate what was done for us and but the law needs some fine tuning because human nature is that if someone can take advantage of a law and save a dollar they are going to try.
A disabled Vet's point of view.

[LuvsPalmTrees]

Well - Interesting thread. I have always taken the furry friend camping with us. When we leave she usually stays at the trailer and we put all the blinds up so she can see. Pet owners that are not responsible are making it bad for us that are. We had one that had to be in a kennel when we left the trailer, and our first one you could leave her and she was no problem. The people camping next to us did not even know we had a dog (she was in a pop-up). I would never let my dog bark or charge anyone while I am camping. Our dogs always stay on a tie-down when they are in camp and a leash when they are not. They only get to come with us if they are allowed to be at the establishment. No bars, foodie places, stores, etc.

[fla-gypsy]

I do not own pets. I subscribe to the founders ideals of liberty. If having pets with you all the time is your pursuit of happiness then that’s fine with me. However your right to pursue that happiness ends if it infringes on my pursuit. Businesses that allow animals in rarely get my patronage

[sourdough]

Hey TT
Service dogs are suppose to be vested and ID'ed and a real trained service animal would not be peeing on plants in a store or up on a counter sniffing the meat. The problem here is that people can go on line and register their animal for fifty dollars as a service animal because of the way the ADA is written. The other problem and really the biggest problem is that the people at the stores and restaurants and other establishments are not trained or do not know the law because they have never taken the time to read it and are scared that if they refuse a person and their dog they will be chastised in the news or even lose their job. It's really a shame that our law makers did not research what they were writing when they passed the law. Those of us that need them appreciate what was done for us and but the law needs some fine tuning because human nature is that if someone can take advantage of a law and save a dollar they are going to try.
A disabled Vet's point of view.

I think owners of service dogs need to be careful of what they wish for. In my conversations with lawmakers about the ADA regarding service dogs, the language is left open and rather vague for a reason - to give deference to those with disabilities that require a service dog and not cause them a hard time. If the law were written with a hundred qualifiers before you could use your dog then it would become so onerous to try to take it with you that you couldn't, or wouldn't, and those that didn't want that animal with you could make your life miserable trying to prove the law allowed you to have it. That is what the law is trying to avoid to my understanding.

In my earlier post I mentioned that the business owners just asking the 2 questions allowed by the ADA would deter a lot of abusers and I think you agree. Personally, I don't think more laws trying to complicate the use of a service dog are required. I do think that if it is an issue for a business owner they should learn the law and ask the questions.

As far as the IDs and vests; one poster said it was a dead giveaway that they were "fake". That's not true. The animal should have the vest and ID anytime it is "working". My dog knows the vest and she's trained to know it means she's working in public. And yes, any dog that pees on flowers, raises up on counters, runs all over the place or anything else like that IS NOT a service dog. YMMV

[POBOYPCB]

Love my own dog, but don't think I can require you to! I'm a great fan of REAL service animals, i.e., seeing eye dogs, those who alert on pending seizures, etc., but the " emotional support" thing has become a farce. I recently encountered an "emotional support" CHICKEN in a store. Try housebreaking that one! Those laws need some fine tuning!

[md_procouple]

I guess it time to "jump" into the fray... My wife and I both have a medical condition, and have had 2 service dogs over the years, our last one has gone to "Doggy Heaven" and we are expecting a "New" dog. We choose to have a small to medium size dog because of our lifestyle. Yes our dogs have been service trained, Yes they are tagged, and well marked as service dogs. We have on special occasions allowed a person to pet our dogs, but ONLY after they have asked ( Normally an older person or ones with very small children), No we do not allow our dog to be the center of attention, after all he is "working" We have and still do put our dog in the "Cart" more for his safety then ours BUT we also have a small bed for him to use while there. All of our service dogs are well trained, and behave better than most peoples children. The bottom line... We would rather have our dog with us than most peoples kids. By the way We have even taken our dog on cruises without a problem. and like we stated, they have both behaved better than other peoples kids !!!

[packnrat]

now i am going to bring boxes to put my food into while i shop.

[POBOYPCB]

Since Travelin Texan found it necessary to be so grumpy, I think I'll just jump on the bandwagon and pound one more nail in this coffin. Earlier it was said "Emotional support animals are NOT Service Animals." I concur 100%. If you can't feel good about yourself in a restaurant without Fifi at your side then stay in the car. No way I'm buying in to the term "Emotional Support Animal." Bogus as a football bat!
We have on occasion visited Bisbee, Arizona. A fun little city and very dog-friendly. As near as I know dogs are welcome in most of the casual bars and restaurants in town (probably not all.) There you know it in advance and can deal with it.
I don't know where America is headed, but why is it so hot in here, and what exactly is a "hand-basket?"
Probably my favorite response here! Right on!

[packnrat]

i am very much a dog person. they are better than most humans.
my girls were very well behaved. i did take them places and they got to do things, meet other dogs( cats, etc). and loved all the petting they got from kids ( kiddy day care) and grownups. ( adult day care). and "other" places.

but never did i clame them to be something they are not.
nore did they ever go into anyplace storing, selling food. for human needs.
pet store yes.
no mater how well behaved any dog is. they do not belong in a lot of places.
and old ladys with there rat dogs in a big purse. leave the pup at home.
then there are the cats. even worse.

[chuckster57]

then there are the cats. even worse.

Be careful. My cat is very well behaved and trained. NO he doesn’t go into food establishments, but he also sits patiently at the dinette window without making a ruckus, and doesn’t tell the rest of the campground we have returned.

[ptooti]

I think if you saw some of the people cooking in the back of those restaurants some of them have way more disgusting gross habits than any dogs and are handling your food...ick and I have seen more rotten kids than dogs terrorizing the campgrounds again its the parents whether they be kid parents or dog parents some good and probably more bad.

[gearhead]

So we have doggy heaven, doggy daddy, doggy parents.
Hand basket indeed.
Walt Disney would be happy I guess.

[Pull Toy]

Not trying to steal the thread..........but...

Used to be... "OUTSIDE BEVERAGES or FOOD" were a NO-NO! (Not to mention " NO SHUES, NO SHIRT, NO SERVICE"), Now there's a cup holder on your handlebar! I can probably live with this... but then the STARBUCKS PIGS leave their empties on the meat counters, complete with Lip Stick, and who knows what else, or where they've been!!!

REALLY !!! To Good for Trash Cans, I guess? /used to have a male dog who marked his territory too!

p.s. I always check to see if my "GIRLS" are welcome, and never anywhere near food products, or restaurants! Home Depot, Lowes, etc..., no prob! Great opportunity to teach socialization skills. Makes for a better CAMPER DOG, when the neighbors are 10 feet away!!!

[Northofu1]

This is what I am looking for to bring camping :)

[Northofu1]

I put my starbucks cups in the garbage where it belongs :trash:

[JRTJH]

I had never considered "STARBUCKS PIGS leave their empties on the meat counters, complete with Lip Stick, and who knows what else" with male dogs who "mark their territory" but you know, in some ways, that's what it seems their doing: It's me and I'm entitled".... So they leave their trash for "someone else to clean up"....

Not all (by any means) but far too many, do the same with their dog droppings (minus the lipstick on most).... When it becomes an obstacle course to take a grandkid to the playground, "doggy owners" have overstepped their welcome.

Yes, I own a dog, 60 pounds of "bird hunting genius" and yes we take him camping with us. You'd never know he's in the trailer, and most people walking by don't even see him sitting under my lawn chair, but bet your bottom dollar, he's watching them..... As for his "droppings", we have a "doggy bag dispenser" that we hang on his leash so we're prepared to pick up anything he might dispose of on our walks.

At $15 for 1000 bags, it will last longer than our camping season: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Waste-Bags-Dispenser-Leash/dp/B00NABTGY2/ref=zg_bs_3052413011_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=VHTNF2DC86TXYPBN9PFE

[sourdough]

I had never considered "STARBUCKS PIGS leave their empties on the meat counters, complete with Lip Stick, and who knows what else" with male dogs who "mark their territory" but you know, in some ways, that's what it seems their doing: It's me and I'm entitled".... So they leave their trash for "someone else to clean up"....

Not all (by any means) but far too many, do the same with their dog droppings (minus the lipstick on most).... When it becomes an obstacle course to take a grandkid to the playground, "doggy owners" have overstepped their welcome.

Yes, I own a dog, 60 pounds of "bird hunting genius" and yes we take him camping with us. You'd never know he's in the trailer, and most people walking by don't even see him sitting under my lawn chair, but bet your bottom dollar, he's watching them..... As for his "droppings", we have a "doggy bag dispenser" that we hang on his leash so we're prepared to pick up anything he might dispose of on our walks.

At $15 for 1000 bags, it will last longer than our camping season: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Waste-Bags-Dispenser-Leash/dp/B00NABTGY2/ref=zg_bs_3052413011_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=VHTNF2DC86TXYPBN9PFE


Good point! Anyone that owns a dog and takes it to a public area needs to do what you describe; put the doggy bag dispenser on the leash (that the dog should be on at all times when out and about) and use it ANY time there are droppings.

When we are camping it's generally a give away that the folks don't usually pick up after their dogs if they don't have one. Some stick a bag in their pocket, or.....just don't take one - unacceptable.

Where we winter we have several friends with dogs and we all carry our little bag "dispensers". We also watch those that don't carry them, or bring back a little bag of "treasure".:lol: Some of the folks talk to/confront them, our friend from MI that stays next to us picks it up and puts it on their steps and I will either say something, or if it's late I'll take a flag and put it by the pile and direct the owner to it the next day.

There are rules pertaining to the removal of the droppings in literally every park I've ever been in. And, as John said, it is ridiculous when it gets to the point that you, the kids or grandkids have to walk around like you're trying to negotiate a mine field. As I've told folks, and the owner of that particular park has as well; if you can't clean up after the pet, they don't belong there - don't bring them. To me it's the ultimate in rudeness and inconsideration to leave the "stuff". Lot's of dogs leave lots of stuff; lots of stuff equals lots of stinky, nasty shoes and lots of aggravated folks.

[notanlines]

Some of y'all might get away with taking one bag with you when you walk your pal, but our doxie will fool you in a minute. He'll drop a prize in three different places as soon as he finds out you only have one bag.
One other thing I might mention. If any of you think that dogs and cats aren't all that big of a deal in the RV world, just walk into any Camping World. You will find that 15% to 20% of the retail floor space is devoted to pet supplies.
Straight "scoop."

[sourdough]

Some of y'all might get away with taking one bag with you when you walk your pal, but our doxie will fool you in a minute. He'll drop a prize in three different places as soon as he finds out you only have one bag.
One other thing I might mention. If any of you think that dogs and cats aren't all that big of a deal in the RV world, just walk into any Camping World. You will find that 15% to 20% of the retail floor space is devoted to pet supplies.
Straight "scoop."

Wow! So ours isn't the only one that can count how many bags are in the dispenser! How do they know that??:lol:

[gearhead]

My sister has a pet snake.
I'm considering it.
But the leash?
WHAT?? It's my "comfort snake". I'm entitled.

[JRTJH]

Where do you put a leash on a snake??? Oh never mind, I won't be around to see it anyway......
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/running-around-smiley-emoticon.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

[gearhead]

It could be my "therapy snake". Help myself and others get over their snake phobia.
Leash? Maybe a mouth piercing with kinda like a hog nose ring.
Thinking out loud here.....
Here, you can feed him this mouse. Oh that makes you uncomfortable too eh?

[LuvsPalmTrees]

JRTJH - I have actually walked up to someone and given them a bag off of my dispenser on my leash and said - "Oh - I see you don't have a bag, here, now you can clean up after your dog - over there." I get some snarls but they usually will pick it up. I get mad when people let their children walk the dog and not pick up the mess. If you walk the dog you should be able to clean up after it.