Tire question......again

[Don N.]

Has anyone tried the Country Wide trailer tire? I have read many of the tire posts and am familiar with what has been given as good tires., but have not seen anyone mention Country Wide. Thank you for your input.

[Frank G]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[CaptnJohn]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:



Popcorn and beer! Thinking nothing I'd like better than being 1009 miles from home and looking to replace a tire only 9 people in the country heard of.


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[Hodgy]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Tinner12002]

Sorry guys, don't have any popcorn so I will say this, with all or should I say somewhat proven reliability of several brands that have been discussed in extreme on here and many other sites, why do people keep coming up with these no name brand tires, are they wanting to be guinea pigs for a company...wouldn't risk my RV for an adventure like that. Done.

[Frank G]

According to rvia, RV shipments for 2017 were 504,599 units. I would think the majority of these units came with tires that members of this forum consider sub par. Instead of blasting (would like to find a better word) one another, why wouldn't we, the consumers, join together and demand a better product. Until we do, nothing will change. I personally think it is out of place to demean someone who has just laid there hard earned cash on a new RV and inform them they need to buy new tires. It is also environmentally irresponsible to send all that product routed through China to American Tire Dumps. Assumption; 300,000RV's X 4 = 1.2 million Junk Tires a year.:facepalm:

[sourdough]

According to rvia, RV shipments for 2017 were 504,599 units. I would think the majority of these units came with tires that members of this forum consider sub par. Instead of blasting (would like to find a better word) one another, why wouldn't we, the consumers, join together and demand a better product. Until we do, nothing will change. I personally think it is out of place to demean someone who has just laid there hard earned cash on a new RV and inform them they need to buy new tires. It is also environmentally irresponsible to send all that product routed through China to American Tire Dumps. Assumption; 300,000RV's X 4 = 1.2 million Junk Tires a year.:facepalm:

I'm trying to understand your post.

The majority of new units came with tires that knowledgeable, experienced users consider sub par. That is a fact.

"It is out of place to "demean" someone who has just laid "their" hard earned cash on a new RV and inform them they need to buy new tires." Help me here. Virtually all of us know what the sub par tires are....look at NHTSA, websites, customer reviews..... No one on this forum demeans anyone for the tires that came on their RV....we do however recommend a change based on REAL life experiences.

As far as China to America, tire dumps etc........you're probably out there on your own.

[Frank G]

I'm trying to understand your post.

The majority of new units came with tires that knowledgeable, experienced users consider sub par. That is a fact.

"It is out of place to "demean" someone who has just laid "their" hard earned cash on a new RV and inform them they need to buy new tires." Help me here. Virtually all of us know what the sub par tires are....look at NHTSA, websites, customer reviews..... No one on this forum demeans anyone for the tires that came on their RV....we do however recommend a change based on REAL life experiences.

As far as China to America, tire dumps etc........you're probably out there on your own.

I'll stand by what I wrote, and yes I do think there have been members bullied on this tire issue. I have been on my own all my adult life and not about to change. I wish there was a better way to collect and report tire data...not in todays world.

[sourdough]

Frank,

I understand. "Been on your own all your adult life"? I've been own my own since 16 when I got married (all my adult life 50+ years ago?). Walked alleys to get coke bottles to sell so we could buy 10 cent Campbell's chicken noodle soup to stay alive.

So yes, I stand by what I say as well. I refute your assertion that members are "bullied" on the tire issue. I would encourage you to post what you think is a post "bullying" any member on what tire they have. Looking forward to your input.

[chuckster57]

Seems like tire threads can be like TV threads. I personally haven’t seen any bullying in either, but some members can be adamant in their beliefs. Best part of living in USA is you can’t be imprisoned for your point of view. Let’s keep that in mind please.

[vampress_me]

It is also environmentally irresponsible to send all that product routed through China to American Tire Dumps. Assumption; 300,000RV's X 4 = 1.2 million Junk Tires a year.:facepalm:

Or you do what I did and sell the OEM tires on Facebook. Someone up by us got 4 tires with about 300 miles on them for about $75. Made them happy, made me happy to have the new Maxxis tires. Win win.

But, the quote does raise an interesting question. So, if it’s environmentally irresponsible to send China tires to American dumps before they have a blow out, is it also environmentally irresponsible to send them (and the other parts now broken on the camper) to the dump after they blowout?

[JRTJH]

Or you do what I did and sell the OEM tires on Facebook. Someone up by us got 4 tires with about 300 miles on them for about $75. Made them happy, made me happy to have the new Maxxis tires. Win win.

But, the quote does raise an interesting question. So, if it’s environmentally irresponsible to send China tires to American dumps before they have a blow out, is it also environmentally irresponsible to send them (and the other parts now broken on the camper) to the dump after they blowout?

Good Point, Lynette. Sending $400 worth of sub par tires to the dump or sending those tires along with $4000 worth of damaged trailer parts.... Great way to put the risk into perspective. Personally, after the tire damage I saw on my "otherwise perfectly fine" TowMax tires, I won't ever run that brand again. Any other brand that has limited to no reputation, well, I'd trust them even less than TowMax.....

[sourdough]

Or you do what I did and sell the OEM tires on Facebook. Someone up by us got 4 tires with about 300 miles on them for about $75. Made them happy, made me happy to have the new Maxxis tires. Win win.

But, the quote does raise an interesting question. So, if it’s environmentally irresponsible to send China tires to American dumps before they have a blow out, is it also environmentally irresponsible to send them (and the other parts now broken on the camper) to the dump after they blowout?


^^^^ Thanks. Trying to protect the environment, and using common sense, rational reasoning is where we need to be. All tires, coming from China, are routed to American dumps? Hmmm.....are we now saying you endorse tariffs? Embargo's on China?......I KNOW, I KNOW....just had to put it out there....no more from me (I think)....

Note: This comment had nothing to do with Lynette's post. I was directed to what she had responded tol

[CaptnJohn]

According to rvia, RV shipments for 2017 were 504,599 units. I would think the majority of these units came with tires that members of this forum consider sub par. Instead of blasting (would like to find a better word) one another, why wouldn't we, the consumers, join together and demand a better product. Until we do, nothing will change. I personally think it is out of place to demean someone who has just laid there hard earned cash on a new RV and inform them they need to buy new tires. It is also environmentally irresponsible to send all that product routed through China to American Tire Dumps. Assumption; 300,000RV's X 4 = 1.2 million Junk Tires a year.:facepalm:



The Rainier tires that arrived on my HC some would call subpar, I called them worse. From the dealer to the tire shop where Sailun were installed and the tire shop gave me $30 each for all 5. He will sell them as used tires to go on a farm or utility trailer that will not carry the weight of my 5er. The 5 Sailun tires I bought came from China and have the best reputation of all. From the safety aspect I did not care if they went to a dump, back to China, or landed on the Keystone CEOs desk.


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[ctbruce]

Back to the OP's question, that brand has not been brought up before that I recall. I would want to see a sidewall and the manufacturer code. Then you would know where and who made it. Several of the Chinese manufacturers simply switch out the dies to put a new unknown name on the same bad tires. May the buyer beware.

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[Don N.]

UUUUU, wow! I did not realize a trailer tire question was such a touchy subject. I have had the understanding that this site was for meaningful information on 5th wheels, no matter what level of "knowledge or experience". I was hoping for answers like, "No" or "Yes, here is what I know....", or "Here is a link". I've learned not to ask a tire question that's for sure. And, a reply of "popcorn and beer".......really!? Thank you ctbruce for your answer.

[busterbrown]

From my perspective, not much bullying on this forum. "Mostly" well mannered, courteous, experienced members trying to lend a hand and help a fellow Keystone owner. Compared to many of the other truck and RV forums I frequent, this site is very tame and "conservative" (for the lack of another word). I attribute it to the demographic that provide the valuable insight on these boards.

I do see where someone coming from another forum will assume their inquiries or recommendations may (or even will) get attacked. Go check out some of the big truck forums or even that CW forum and you'll get a sense of some of the "bullying" that goes on.

But on this site, the responses tend to be fair, honest, and respectful, even on the "touchy" subjects. YMMV.

[notanlines]

Buster is absolutely on the money. I joined a diesel forum back when we had water in the fuel problems and I simply asked why a person would "chip" a brand new truck. One would have thought I had slapped someone's momma. After the word "stupid" was directed at me, more than once I might add, I simply deleted my membership. The Keystone forum members are fairly mild.

[CWtheMan]

Has anyone tried the Country Wide trailer tire? I have read many of the tire posts and am familiar with what has been given as good tires., but have not seen anyone mention Country Wide. Thank you for your input.

Search and you may find.

https://www.countrywidetire.com/

[ctbruce]

It's not really you (anybody that asks about tires) it's the endless asking about tires of various manufacturers and "what do you think about..." questions. There is nothing wrong with the questions and I for one would rather have them asked before someone spends a lot of money.
What almost always happens is a fight ensues, people get upset, nothing gets solved we shut down the thread before it escalates out of control. Thus the popcorn and now popcorn and beer comments.
So ask away in th full confidence that you'll get answers, opinions, and nobody may know much about your particular brand. That won't stop the answers and opinions, and that's ok too. Everyone has a chance to speak their mind.
What you'll find on here is that the most positive comments have come on 4 brands: Sailun, Maxxis, Carlisle and just entered the market a year ago, Goodyear Endurance. Others, while potentially not bad, are not as trusted as the brands. YMMV and the final choice is yours.
I'm glad my previous post helped. That's why we're all on here as we all had the same questions at one time.

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[jsmith948]

Haven't heard anything good or bad about Countrywide tires. The OEM tires that come on most new trailers are built in China and most (some more than others) have developed poor reputations as to quality.
Our 2012 Cougar came with ST225-75-15D Power King Towmax tires. We made one trip to the northwest with these tires. After about 3000 miles, we noticed cracks in one of the sidewalls. Having read numerous threads about these "China bombs", we switched to E rated Maaxis 8008 tires and had great service from them. When they timed out, we switched to E rated Carlisle tires and had great service from them as well. We put about 23000 miles on the rig after getting rid of the Towmax and had zero issues.
Now, our new trailer came with Trailer King D rated tires. Have read numerous posts/threads regarding these tires and they appear to have a worse reputation than the Towmax. So, here we go again. Towed the trailer home from Tuscon and have made two short trips to the coast for a total of about 900 miles. Planning on a trip up through the northwest, glacier Park, Grand Tetons, SIL's house in Northeast Nevada and then back home. We will definitely replace the Trailer Kings with either Carlisle or Maaxis before the trip. I have to agree with what some others on here have stated. We have a $500 deductible on our insurance - why not spend the $500 on better tires and avoid the possibility of damaging the trailer. JMHO:)

[Carrottop]

Not to add to this debate but, to comment on the landfill piece, there have been many strides in tire recycling and not nearly as much ends up in land fills as before. There is still a lot that does but they are being used as a fuel for cement plants in the kilns and as filler in asphalt as an example. There are many other applications but not as mainstream yet.

[CWtheMan]

Not to add to this debate but, to comment on the landfill piece, there have been many strides in tire recycling and not nearly as much ends up in land fills as before. There is still a lot that does but they are being used as a fuel for cement plants in the kilns and as filler in asphalt as an example. There are many other applications but not as mainstream yet.

Up to 25% of new tire compounds come from recycled tires. Especially from foreign tire manufacturer's.

[CWtheMan]

Special Trailer (ST) tire brand names. Why are so many unknown and so many others unpopular. There is a link there. The unknown might just be the unpopular with a new name and new start. Same mold, same mix, new name and maybe even a different USA wholesaler. The one thing on that mold they can’t change? Its plant location code.

Just one application of a popular tire being used at or near its maximum capability can quickly put it in the unpopular category.

Since this is about trailer tires let’s look at the method used to select them.

The trailer is built to maximum specifications. The GVWR is the maximum amount of weight the trailer is built to support, including all options and cargo.

The amount of weight the axles MUST support when added to the trailer manufacturer’s recommended tongue weight for that trailer MUST not be less than the trailer’s GVWR.

The tires fitted to the trailer’s axle (s) must have a load capacity equal to the certified GAWR of the axle they are fitted to. Here is where maximums and minimums get confusing, to some. The GAWR set by the vehicle manufacturer for each axle is the maximum total load allowed for that axle. Tires fitted to that axle must provide, at the minimum, a load capacity - via tire inflation - that supports the maximum loaded axle.

This is what a trailer manufacturer can do with that fitment. Install and certify the axles at 5080# GAWR each. Then fit two tires to each axle rated at 2540# of load capacity at 65 PSI.

If an owner has a situation anywhere near that fitment they need to direct their finger pointing in the direction of NHTSA, who allows that sort of fitment all the time.

When tires fitted to that situation fail early, they are normally replaced with others just like them but with a higher load range. Those replacements last much longer, the owner is happy and says what good tires they are as opposed to the OE tires, which in their own right, may be just as good but were a product of misapplication (?).

Another culprit of early trailer tire failure is abuse. Abuse by the delivery driver. Abuse by the dealer or seller. The Trailer sits around for a few months in the same spot never having its tires properly inflated. Seller decides to take it to a RV show. Shines the tires and sells the unit. New owner pops some tires on the way home with the new trailer. I would wonder about their inflation pressures for that trip.

[sourdough]

Not to add to this debate but, to comment on the landfill piece, there have been many strides in tire recycling and not nearly as much ends up in land fills as before. There is still a lot that does but they are being used as a fuel for cement plants in the kilns and as filler in asphalt as an example. There are many other applications but not as mainstream yet.


John,

Speaking of other applications for tires;

There is a place in NM, somewhere outside Nogal if I recall, where someone actually built the walls of their home with what appeared to be filled, old tires. Took be aback when I first saw it and had to back up to check it out....yep, walls of tires and the other half of the house was built into the mountainside.

[Carrottop]

That's cool. I will have to google it and try to find it. We frequently go down to MN and that is something I would want to check out.

[notanlines]

http://www.messagemedia.co/millelacs/community/features/the-living-breathing-house-built-of-tires/article_cd9c8bd2-7c40-11e7-a2a4-afea5d2434f5.html

Ask and you shall receive.....(Doesn't work with the IRS)

[rhagfo]

Your 5er has a GVWR at 10,000#, have you considered upgrading to LT tires. This would require switching out to 16" rims, but far superior tire and carcass construction. Rated for less weight, but for much higher speeds, meaning to me at normal highway speeds much better tire.

Otherwise do what about 90% on here go with Maxies.

[Bolo4u]

Or stick with a GOOD quality, known brand (Maxxis, Sailun, Carlisle) ST tire, and not need to buy rims. If your existing rims are sufficient for the pressure of the next higher load rating than you currently have, that's an option you have too.


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[sourdough]

Your 5er has a GVWR at 10,000#, have you considered upgrading to LT tires. This would require switching out to 16" rims, but far superior tire and carcass construction. Rated for less weight, but for much higher speeds, meaning to me at normal highway speeds much better tire.

Otherwise do what about 90% on here go with Maxies.


I have to chime in and say that there are MANY options with ST tires that are optimal for your situation that don't require buying new rims and don't require you to drive at excessive speeds to feel like you're taking advantage of those new LT tires.....with less weight rating.....???:)

[rhagfo]

I have to chime in and say that there are MANY options with ST tires that are optimal for your situation that don't require buying new rims and don't require you to drive at excessive speeds to feel like you're taking advantage of those new LT tires.....with less weight rating.....???:)

I did not state I drive at excessive speed! I stated that the LT tires do have a lower weight rating, but in my case the tires are rated to carry that weight at 106 mph, this says to me at 60 to 65 mph I have carrying capacity reserve even if I am running at the tires max weight.

The majority of ST tires while having a 300# to 400# rating advantage, but only to speeds to 65 to 75 mph. In addition most don’t trust their ST tires to anywhere near their rated capacity. I am running my LT’s at 82% of rated capacity how many feel safe with running ST’s at 82% of capacity?

[Tinner12002]

I have to chime in and say that there are MANY options with ST tires that are optimal for your situation that don't require buying new rims and don't require you to drive at excessive speeds to feel like you're taking advantage of those new LT tires.....with less weight rating.....???:)

There you go with that poking stick again! Lol!!

[KHBama]

I'll stand by what I wrote, and yes I do think there have been members bullied on this tire issue. I have been on my own all my adult life and not about to change. I wish there was a better way to collect and report tire data...not in todays world.

yes... I asked a question about tires one day and got nothing useful from the 1st 10 posters, mostly "popcorn" posts and some smart a** remarks. Finally some posters chimed in with actual experience from the tires I asked about, some good some bad. That is all we can ask for when we post a question (especially people who are fairly newbies)

[sourdough]

I did not state I drive at excessive speed! I stated that the LT tires do have a lower weight rating, but in my case the tires are rated to carry that weight at 106 mph, this says to me at 60 to 65 mph I have carrying capacity reserve even if I am running at the tires max weight.

The majority of ST tires while having a 300# to 400# rating advantage, but only to speeds to 65 to 75 mph. In addition most don’t trust their ST tires to anywhere near their rated capacity. I am running my LT’s at 82% of rated capacity how many feel safe with running ST’s at 82% of capacity?

I'm sorry if you misinterpreted. I didn't say you drove at excessive speed. In your original post (from memory) you said the LT's offered less load carrying ability but a higher speed rating....and in this case it would require new wheels. The only positive point out of that is that you can run at higher speeds, which isn't recommended pulling a TT. So that was what my comment alluded to. I wasn't trying to "poke" you.:)

As far as LTs giving a higher speed rating and lower load capacity my take is this (right or wrong); a higher speed rating refers to a tire's ability to "hold together" at speed from centrifugal force.....bonding to the carcass more or less and the compounds/designs required to do this. When driving a sports car or hot rod it's extremely important that the tread stay connected to the carcass of the tire at high speeds or if you're inclined to do a burn out - or cars/trucks running down the highway at higher speeds. The load capacity refers to a tire's ability to ....."carry/hold" a specific amount of weight - 2 different things to me. The ST then takes that "carrying" capacity and tries to complement it with a suitable speed rating that takes into account what the tire was designed for -carrying a large load. Therefore, IMO you get a stouter "load carrier" but not so much a sports car tire.

You may not agree with this but it's what I've come to think from everything I've read and observed about tires over the years.

[CWtheMan]

I did not state I drive at excessive speed! I stated that the LT tires do have a lower weight rating, but in my case the tires are rated to carry that weight at 106 mph, this says to me at 60 to 65 mph I have carrying capacity reserve even if I am running at the tires max weight.

The majority of ST tires while having a 300# to 400# rating advantage, but only to speeds to 65 to 75 mph. In addition most don’t trust their ST tires to anywhere near their rated capacity. I am running my LT’s at 82% of rated capacity how many feel safe with running ST’s at 82% of capacity?

You really need to clear something up here. Your trailer was most likely certified by Keystone to use standard LT tires. Isn’t that what’s on the trailer’s certification label?

Note: 1. A tire’s durability factor does not have anything to do with its ability to carry the maximum load listed on its sidewall. 2. The speed at which a tire can carry its maximum load is determined by its speed rating (letter), it’s a durability vs. capability thing.

[rhagfo]

You really need to clear something up here. Your trailer was most likely certified by Keystone to use standard LT tires. Isn’t that what’s on the trailer’s certification label?

Note: 1. A tire’s durability factor does not have anything to do with its ability to carry the maximum load listed on its sidewall. 2. The speed at which a tire can carry its maximum load is determined by its speed rating (letter), it’s a durability vs. capability thing.

Well it is a 2005, no tire certification label, just a GVWR label inside a cabinet above the sink.
It came from the factory with the 235/85-16E’s per the build sheet I got from Keystone after purchase used.
This is a fact you should be aware of tire/payload sticker was not required until 2006.
The abuse an LT tire takes on a TV is far worse than it takes on a trailer. Many blame instances of curb scuffing, potholes, and hitting bad RR crossings for blowouts on ST tires, while I try to avoid these I don’t worry when it does happen.
As to weight capacity, seeing how my LTs have a 3,042# capacity good to 106 mph, I would believe that at 65 to 70 mph they are capable of supporting more than that at the lower speeds. I don’t expect them to support any more than their rated 3,042#, in fact they are only supporting 82% of that when fully loaded with 10,000# on the two axles.

[Tinner12002]

yes... I asked a question about tires one day and got nothing useful from the 1st 10 posters, mostly "popcorn" posts and some smart a** remarks. Finally some posters chimed in with actual experience from the tires I asked about, some good some bad. That is all we can ask for when we post a question (especially people who are fairly newbies)

Well I have to say that yes, sometimes I will have a smart a** remark to make about an issue but I try not or at least I don't intend for it to be degrading to the poster. I think most that are familiar with my posts are also aware of that. You have to realize that sometimes a post comes through that has been beat to death time and time again on this forum and so many others so when another question comes up about the same topic, it gets a little humorous because we know where the post is going after seeing it, though that doesn't mean it may not a valid question. I know sometimes looking for previous posts on topics can be sometimes hard to find unless you post an exact word phrasing. The thing is, no one on here tries to or intends to devalue or degrade someones posts or questions to intentionally upset or poke fun as you say to the poster. We do try to seriously help everyone we can with issues they have on their RVs as we have the ability or knowledge to. Some on here are way more knowledgeable than others which is a good thing for the different posters asking questions but we all have nothing but good intentions in trying to help each other and newbies as well because that's why were here. Whew, with all that being said, I will still try and throw out a funny every now and again to get a smile or to try and lighten up a heated conversation, so sit back and enjoy what you read here, don't take things personal and we'll all have a great time reading and answering and educating ourselves with all the different posts and questions regardless of the number of times they've been asked!

[CaptnJohn]

These tire threads are great. They never end while they should be so easy. The could be over with sanity quickly. Sailun , Goodyear (G614 only), maxxis, or Carlisle. Those are proven. If people go up 1 LR with a proven product they should be fine. Note, we should appreciate those paying GY to test Endurance over the next 4 years.


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[CWtheMan]

Well it is a 2005, no tire certification label, just a GVWR label inside a cabinet above the sink.
It came from the factory with the 235/85-16E’s per the build sheet I got from Keystone after purchase used.
This is a fact you should be aware of tire/payload sticker was not required until 2006.
The payload sticker has nothing to do with tire size. That's one of the purposes of the vehicel certification label.
The abuse an LT tire takes on a TV is far worse than it takes on a trailer. That's mostly because they are on drive and steer axles and are designed for them. The only entity that has the authority to say it's an appropriate fitment on other vehicles is the vehicle manufacturer. Many blame instances of curb scuffing, potholes, and hitting bad RR crossings for blowouts on ST tires, while I try to avoid these I don’t worry when it does happen.

As to weight capacity, seeing how my LTs have a 3,042# capacity good to 106 mph, I would believe that at 65 to 70 mph they are capable of supporting more than that at the lower speeds. I don’t expect them to support any more than their rated 3,042#, in fact they are only supporting 82% of that when fully loaded with 10,000# on the two axles.

On the record, no one will officially say a LT or ST tire with a 3042# maximum load capacity really has a higher load capacity. However, there are two standards for measuring a tire's load capacity. For all ST & LT tires the Load Range formula is the official number. For all passenger tires it's the load index formula. So for the LT235/85R16 LRE tire the maximum load capacity is 3042#. If a load index number of 120 was used for that same tire it would be 3086#....It's just how the industry works.