Hello from Surprise, AZ!

[Danny5]

Hello everyone! New member checking in from Surprise, AZ. :D We just picked up our Keystone Cougar 28RBSWE from Camping World of Mesa.

Wish I could say it was all flowers and rainbows, but the last 2 weeks have been stressful and I am just glad the Cougar is home now. ;)

I married into an RV family, and for the last year we've been trying to get the cards to fall into place so we could have our own trailer, vs. surfing the couch in the in-laws 5er.

We bought the TV last year with the intention of getting a TT. She's a 16 Ram 1500 Crew Cab with Ramboxes.

And now, just over 1 year later, we purchased a 2017 Cougar. :cool:

All the major items were working great when we picked her up. There are some trim and fit issues, but we'll get those fixed after our first shake down run in 2 weeks. Being in AZ, we will get to enjoy year round camping. As an example, it's supposed to get to 80 tomorrow. I've felt some sorrow for those of you that have to winterize your trailers. :(

I have a mod list about a 30 items long. The biggest one is air bags, which arrive from Amazon on Sunday. We had to pull her about 60 miles from the dealer, and through rush hour traffic. I am hopeful we didn't buy too much trailer for our TV.

This noobie is grateful to hear any and all mod suggestions. :cool:

https://i.imgur.com/SAOn3RR.jpg

[notanlines]

Danny, welcome to the forum from south Florida. I can tell from the smiles on two faces that this will be the start of something good! Can we assume that cute lady standing next to you is your significant other, not just your saleslady standing in? (Am I allowed to use the word "cute" without being relieved of the $25 million dollar job I wish I had?)
Anyway, the only problem you will and probably have already encountered is your RV is one large sail. 32 feet behind you like a huge piece of plywood in the wind. If your hitch is a good quality and adjusted properly you'll do just fine. And sadly, don't look for your airbags to do much for you. You probably won't be sorry you bought them, but the performance won't change much.

[Hodgy]

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Welcome from the Alberta Foothills.

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[Danny5]

Ah yes, that is my DW. Not pictured are the DKs. I have a grown daughter, a 10yo daughter, and a 3yo boy.

All 3 of the kids want to go on trips. :D

[5J's]

Congrats on your purchase and welcome! As for your TV, that is a lot of trailer. If you feel comfortable and are within your GCWR , GVWR and GAWR then you'll be fine. I always like to err on the side of caution. Enjoy your new set up!

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[Chris P]

Welcome to the forum from New Jersey, Congratulations on the new camper and really nice TV. Big Dodge fan ! Lots of good info here.

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[Danny5]

Congrats on your purchase and welcome! As for your TV, that is a lot of trailer. If you feel comfortable and are within your GCWR , GVWR and GAWR then you'll be fine. I always like to err on the side of caution. Enjoy your new set up!

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We don't come close on any of those. Where its a little sketchy (for me) is that we are 900lbs on the tongue and we're only a half-ton truck. The axle can handle about 30% more, but the springs can't. Hence the bags.

[busterbrown]

We don't come close on any of those. Where its a little sketchy (for me) is that we are 900lbs on the tongue and we're only a half-ton truck. The axle can handle about 30% more, but the springs can't. Hence the bags.

Remember, the tongue weight on your coach is listed as 930 lbs as delivered from the production line. By the time a lead acid battery, LP fuel, cargo, food, clothing, chairs, tables, tackle gear, chocks, tools, bikes, linen, fresh water, pots, pans, and any other required "camping gear" is added to the coach, you'll be surprised on how much your tongue weight will rise. Realistically, your TW could be well over 1200 lbs when your vacation begins. Remember, air bags don't add to axle capacities. The biggest challenge to any 1/2 ton truck is its finite payload. Rams (unfortunately) aren't the strongest in this category among the truck brands. Assuming a payload capacity around 1500 lbs with predictable tongue weights, you may be overweight on each trip. Based on a quote from your initial post "I am hopeful we didn't buy too much trailer for our TV", it sounds as if you're already questioning it. Safe travels should always be a priority for anyone pulling a 9,000 lb trailer.

[Danny5]

Payload listed at 1600lbs. So sounds like we will be ok. I dumped the 60 gallons of fresh water the dealer loaded and towing today was much better.

Thanks for the... uh... thoughts???

[sourdough]

Danny, pulled up the 28rbs and looks like it has a gvw of 8200 lbs. Having been there and done that I can say that is going to be on the edge of having too much trailer. Probably could get by with it but probably won't be the optimum towing experience.

The way my trailer is configured and loaded I come in at about 12% tongue weight and it pulls perfectly. I carry about 1/3rd tank fresh water in the event I need it while traveling; the tank is at the back of the trailer. Where you are in the weight spectrum I would suggest you travel with it empty as well unless it is situated in a position on the trailer where it might improve some sort of towing "issue" with some ballast added to it.

Payload, and just the fact that it is a 32' trailer behind a 1/2 ton would be my primary worries. If you had, say, 1000 lb tongue weight (a tad over 12%) that would leave you 600 lbs for all the things busterbrown listed above. 5 folks and the other stuff will eat up 600 lbs. in a heartbeat meaning you will be where so many have been.....leaving everything at home because you can't load it due to weight constraints.

The length of the trailer will try to wag the truck like a dog does its tail. There are some things you can do about it but it will still be there; get a GOOD weight distribution hitch with sway control. I use an Equailzer and some promote the Hensley but they are very expensive. Bad roads will bounce you all over. Air bags will help with that. You also need to upgrade the tires on the TV to LTs. The max pressure on my 1/2 ton OEM tires was 44 psi and I can tell you that at that pressure we sometimes felt like we were on the end of a whip.

Another consideration is the drivetrain of the truck. Hopefully you have the 5.7. If you don't, you need another truck. If you have the 5.7 you want 3.92 gears. If you have 3.55, the truck will do it but I wouldn't say how long the tranny will last if you pull a lot - it will shift its little heart out unless you lock out the upper gears.

So, for your original thought; "you're hopeful you didn't buy too much trailer for your TV", I would say you are at the very limit IF you watch what you load. Of course, you might find a new 3/4 ton on sale about this time of year. ;) :hide: Good luck and congrats.:)

[Danny5]

HA HA HA

A lot of doom and gloom in my future. Most people like throw a lot of shade at the half tons, and never really sure they deserve it.

For the record, our Ram has all the goodies and is rated to tow 10690, and we do have a G2 equalizer hitch.

This post was meant to be me, being new to towing, and being nervous, and not a lack of faith in my equipment. I understand that unless I have the latest 3/4 ton and a big diesel, most people are dubious. I get that.

Yes, still nervous, but getting more confident with each day. Thank You!

[sourdough]

I posted a long narrative of the problems with your situation.....you are dubious. As a self described newbie you are confident in your equipment; without knowing specs or anything else except that you think that 1/2 tons get a bad rap and yours can "tow" 10,000 lbs. There is a reason for the bad rap.

Further, you state that you have an Equalizer hitch....a G2....beginner hitch. For the size trailer you have you need the 4 point....minimum.

I won't waste your time or mine to further explain your problems. You need to dig into what's required to safely tow a large trailer....not just bravado through it with "I think". Your life, your family and others depend on it. It's YOUR responsibility to know the facts.

[Danny5]

Ok, let's see if we can salvage a conversation and maybe meet somewhere in the middle.

As they say, assuming things makes an *** out of you and me. So, let's not assume that I was dumb enough to buy something my truck couldn't tow and then post about it here.

Second, I asked for modification suggestions. If you have them, let's hear them!

Third, I like your mention of tire pressure limitations. I checked and my TV tires can only handle 44psi. This is an upgrade we'll be making soon. Thanks for that call out.

And with that, I hope YOU have a good night. :)

[Hodgy]

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Danny5, again welcome to this forum.

You will work it out with the "help" from everyone on this forum. Some of us have no experience (me), and some of us have a lot of experience.

Somewhere in the middle you will find your way. Enjoy the trip, glean what is helpful and useful to you. This is a community that stands behind you and the journey you are on.


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[Danny5]

Thanks!

I am currently working on a list that is 40 lines long. Anyone have any advice on how to permanently mount items to the walls? Other than Oscar Rivets? :D Those things are crazy expensive!!!

[sourdough]

Ok, let's see if we can salvage a conversation and maybe meet somewhere in the middle.

As they say, assuming things makes an *** out of you and me. So, let's not assume that I was dumb enough to buy something my truck couldn't tow and then post about it here.

Second, I asked for modification suggestions. If you have them, let's hear them!

Third, I like your mention of tire pressure limitations. I checked and my TV tires can only handle 44psi. This is an upgrade we'll be making soon. Thanks for that call out.

And with that, I hope YOU have a good night. :)


I'm not going to harp on this all night long but....you posted the query " I am hopeful we didn't buy too much trailer for our TV". Not a question, a concern from a newbie thereby prompting responses. So, I was not assuming you were "dumb enough" to buy something your TV couldn't tow....you already stated you didn't know . so..... Nuff said.....work on your modifications - and new tires, and a hitch and..... I hope YOU have a good night as well.

[Hodgy]

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[Tinner12002]

Whew!! Thought that was going to get out of hand there...lol. All kidding aside, welcome to the forum, lots of great info and good people on here! I would recommend the air bags just to help stiffen the ride some and help get your headlights back down where they need to be. You shouldn't need much air in them to do the job. Other than that, go slow get used to your equipment and happy camping!

[notanlines]

At risk of being repetitious, THIS is the kind of conversation that keeps a large number of members coming back. There is a disagreement, opinions are given, slightly harsh words are exchanged and then all is well. I like it. I'm betting that the OP actually does look a little closer to what equipment he has. It is how we all learn after all.

[5J's]

We don't come close on any of those. Where its a little sketchy (for me) is that we are 900lbs on the tongue and we're only a half-ton truck. The axle can handle about 30% more, but the springs can't. Hence the bags.Hey Danny, I'm debating the bags my self. What bags are you debating? On board compressor? Keep us posted on the mods I probably enjoy surfing those conversations the most. I'm also debating the sulastic springs to soften up my unloaded ride. Happy Trails my friend!

[ctbruce]

We don't come close on any of those. Where its a little sketchy (for me) is that we are 900lbs on the tongue and we're only a half-ton truck. The axle can handle about 30% more, but the springs can't. Hence the bags.Welcome to the forum from Kansas City, MO! Glad you're here!

You've already been beat on pretty good about weights, truck size, etc. One thing that was not addressed was tongue weight. I'm guessing, with a half-ton you have 1000lbs limit on your receiver with a WDH. Something to be aware of as you start to add weight to the front of your rig.

I went through exactly the same thoughts in my mind when I bought my Impact. PM me if you want to discuss. If not, happy camping. Best to you and your family.

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[Chris P]

Hello everyone! New member checking in from Surprise, AZ. :D We just picked up our Keystone Cougar 28RBSWE from Camping World of Mesa.

Wish I could say it was all flowers and rainbows, but the last 2 weeks have been stressful and I am just glad the Cougar is home now. ;)

I married into an RV family, and for the last year we've been trying to get the cards to fall into place so we could have our own trailer, vs. surfing the couch in the in-laws 5er.

We bought the TV last year with the intention of getting a TT. She's a 16 Ram 1500 Crew Cab with Ramboxes.

And now, just over 1 year later, we purchased a 2017 Cougar. :cool:

All the major items were working great when we picked her up. There are some trim and fit issues, but we'll get those fixed after our first shake down run in 2 weeks. Being in AZ, we will get to enjoy year round camping. As an example, it's supposed to get to 80 tomorrow. I've felt some sorrow for those of you that have to winterize your trailers. :(

I have a mod list about a 30 items long. The biggest one is air bags, which arrive from Amazon on Sunday. We had to pull her about 60 miles from the dealer, and through rush hour traffic. I am hopeful we didn't buy too much trailer for our TV.

This noobie is grateful to hear any and all mod suggestions. :cool:

https://i.imgur.com/SAOn3RR.jpgCheck out Etrailer when you get a chance .They gave a lot of tow vehicle stuff that may help your situation.

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[Danny5]

Hey Danny, I'm debating the bags my self. What bags are you debating? On board compressor? Keep us posted on the mods I probably enjoy surfing those conversations the most. I'm also debating the sulastic springs to soften up my unloaded ride. Happy Trails my friend!

I bought Air Lift 1000 Series air bags from Amazon

http://a.co/iQAndh8

Not currently considering an onboard compressor. These bags are rated to a max of 35psi, so any old cheap 12v compressor will work. Heck, I have a factory one in my Chevy as it didn't come with a spare. :lol:

This is probably one of the best riding trucks I've owned, it's almost luxurious. Rides better than my Chevy for sure. :D

I've been known to write up my mods. Depends on the interest, and whether or not it's been shown before.

Here is a write up I did on my Bak Revolver Tonneau cover:

http://www.ramforum.com/f41/rambox_revolver_x2_install_review-99624

[Hodgy]

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Danny I am also going to install air bag helpers for my TV. The Hellwig #6012 are the only "approved" NO DRILL I could find for my truck. Although Firestone have #2250 for 2500 & 3500 HD NO DRILL that looks like they would fit.

Just watching the prices right now and if they come on sale will grab a set and install them in the spring.


http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/hellwig-6012-air-bags-99-06-silverado-sierra

I was going to install the Schrader valves on the licence plate like I have seen done before. But I ran across this video where they put them on the 7 way connector, I like that better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMa32Nmmiig


Good write up on the Tonneau cover, lots of photos, I like that.


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[Danny5]

Those are nice looking Hodgy. More like the conventional bags I am used too. The Air Lift are like air shocks all grown up. :lol:

[sourdough]

My original post about the truck/trailer combo with explanations and examples was given due to the stated concern that the trailer might be too big for the truck. As I said, I think it will work you just have to be careful in how you load it. Not trying to preach or be argumentative - just trying to be what I thought was helpful; sorry if it was taken otherwise.

As far as AirLift 1000s on a Ram 1/2 ton I have done that. The biggest issue I had was installing them in very cold weather. I had to heat them up to make them pliable enough to push into the coil springs. You will want to extend the springs (don't remember if that was in the instructions or not). Just be sure you secure the truck when suspended with jacks/jackstands etc. I did not remove the wheel/tires but should have; it would have been easier. I did not run individual lines to each bag; I teed it so I could air it up in one shot. The bumper on my 13 had a plastic strip right above the bumper and that's where I placed the air valve - on the side near the plate light.

You are going to have a great time with DW and the kids in the new trailer and I wish you the best. Just keep in mind some of the things I said about the towing. You will feel the semis passing. Bear that in mind - it's the nature of the beast with a long trailer and a 1/2 ton. And yes, the Ram 1/2 tons do have a nice ride...but, that can also be an issue when trying to support that trailer so don't forget to upgrade the tires and check your hitch/bumper rating - it will probably be OK but could be close.

Edit: AND Welcome to the forum! Lots of good folks and info here and we DO care about those and their families that join looking for fun, safe travels.

[Danny5]

Thanks Danny!

I've watched a few install videos, and I have access to a lift. We had *record* heat yesterday, 84 degrees, so cold weather should be a non issue ;) I am going to do the zip-tie method, where you compress the spring and zip tie it all folded up to insert into the coil spring. Jury out on the single air fitting per bag or together as one. Would probably prefer them together, but if the T-fitting doesn't come with the kit, I am not going to worry about it.

Heading out to Wally World today to get the required equipment in a few. Sewer hose, water hose, black flush hose, surge protector, and maybe some other goodies. The mod list is growing!!! :D

[sourdough]

I just looked at the installation instructions for your truck and it appears it is different than when I installed mine. I did not have a bump stop inside the spring and the air hose came out of the top through an existing hole. I just compressed the bag and pushed it through the side of the extended spring. Looks like a lift is going to be very handy. I also looks like it comes with the tee.

If you get the surge guard get a good one. They make some that cost $150 or so but they don't do a lot for you. The more expensive models have all kinds of safeguards, monitors and readouts to tell you what's going on; faults, incoming voltage, amps used etc. Invaluable to have and ours has saved our bacon multiple times.

Get the little L connector for the water hose to reduce strain on your fresh water inlet, a water pressure regulator, inline water filter, a length of TV coax (if you intend to be at an established campground and use TV), a clear elbow for the sewer outlet (extremely helpful), a black tank flush water hose (label it as such), adapter/connector for the sewer connection, chocks, hitch locks, .......the list is endless but those will probably get you set up:D

[chuckster57]

Just an FYI- the list of mods/must haves NEVER ends! :facepalm:

[Danny5]

Just an FYI- the list of mods/must haves NEVER ends! :facepalm:

That can't be right. At some point, you sell it for a new one. Right? :lol:

Look what came in while at Walmart!!!

http://i65.tinypic.com/1071e02.jpg

Install took just over 2 hours in my garage. We don't need no stinking lift! :cool:

Set the pressure in the middle at 20psi (5-35psi range). Rides pretty stiff. Might air down a bit if DW complains. :hide:

[travelin texans]

Thanks!

I am currently working on a list that is 40 lines long. Anyone have any advice on how to permanently mount items to the walls? Other than Oscar Rivets? :D Those things are crazy expensive!!!
I've used 3M Command strips to hang most everything, if 2 should hold it I put 4 & be sure to clean both surfaces with alcohol. So far in 5 years of fulltime travel nothing has fallen off the walls or shelves.

[sourdough]

That can't be right. At some point, you sell it for a new one. Right? :lol:

Look what came in while at Walmart!!!

http://i65.tinypic.com/1071e02.jpg

Install took just over 2 hours in my garage. We don't need no stinking lift! :cool:

Set the pressure in the middle at 20psi (5-35psi range). Rides pretty stiff. Might air down a bit if DW complains. :hide:

Don't remember exactly but I think unloaded I ran about 5 or 10 psi. Makes a better ride (like OEM). Air up for towing or carrying stuff. Probably in the pamphlet??

[Danny5]

Spent the morning modding the Cougar. Although my mods were pretty minor ones;


Ran heater for 20 minutes to remove new heater odor
Moved spare tire so baggage door can open
Added screen door handles to both doors
Taped up A/C unit intake and blower compartments
Blocked end of vent ducts with foam so there is no wasted A/C
Installed step carpet on first step of stairs
Installed LEDs at all marker lights
Labeled all keys so I know where they go (4 keys, really?)


Decided to order a peel and stick toilet paper holder rather than drill holes in the cabinetry. :ermm:

I had bought a black bin from Wally World to put all sewer stuff in, but it turns out it's too big for either baggage compartment. Back to the drawing board on that one. :facepalm:

[Danny5]

Hey Sourdough, I finally have the trailer at the house and wanted to show you the 4-point hitch we have. I believe it's not the "cheap" model?

https://i.imgur.com/Mgdy53r.jpg

[sourdough]

Hey Sourdough, I finally have the trailer at the house and wanted to show you the 4-point hitch we have. I believe it's not the "cheap" model?

https://i.imgur.com/Mgdy53r.jpg


Danny5, from what I can see isn't that an e2 wdh? If so, I'm pretty sure that is only a 2 point friction sway control. With a 32', 8200 lb trailer on a 1/2 ton I would sure want a 4 point system. Is that one made by Fastway?

[66joej]

^Agree with Sourdough it does not look like my E4 at the hitch ball end.

[Danny5]

Just got back from our shakedown. You're right, it's a 2-point sway control. I shall exit, stage left!

[sourdough]

Just got back from our shakedown. You're right, it's a 2-point sway control. I shall exit, stage left!


While exiting stage left, you might want to find a 4 point sway control.....:D