A Possible Point of Interest

[slow]

Yesterday a friend picked up his new 2017 F150 XLT 4WD Super Cab with 8’ box and heavy payload package. Showed me the payload sticker. 2557 lbs!

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Looks like there are high payload half tons out there.


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[kfxgreenie]

So now the million dollar question. Would you feel safer around that TV pulling a 10,000 LB GVWR 5th Wheel, or even a large TT, or a 3/4 ton Diesel, pulling the same trailer? One will probably be "legal" with the 5th wheel and one will not.

[Alpine]

Whoa! :confused: :bow: :popcorn:

[slow]

My friend will be fine towing his 26’ Jayco TT with a quad in the box.

Much better set up than his previous Nissan Titan.


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[hankpage]

Impressive numbers, but I'm not comfortable with load range C tires. My concern would be how light the empty tv is compared to the trailer. :confused:

[Gegrad]

Impressive numbers, but I'm not comfortable with load range C tires. My concern would be how light the empty tv is compared to the trailer. :confused:

So the guy puts LRE tires on it soon and he has a monster. That is an impressive number, and it would be 300 lbs highger with a 2WD! :eek:
It is only a double cab, not a crew, so that would make it tighter in the back for passengers, but still. That's impressive.

[5th_Wheelin]

Damn, that's a higher rating than my Ram 2500!

[madmaxmutt]

The HD Payload package makes a big difference. It seems like a great truck/trailer combination to me.

[kfxgreenie]

Damn, that's a higher rating than my Ram 2500!

Yes it is, now drop your 13K Cougar on it and see what happens. :rolleyes:

[CaptnJohn]

Just 47# lighter than the neighbors 2500 diesel


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[madmaxmutt]

Yes it is, now drop your 13K Cougar on it and see what happens. :rolleyes:

That's a strawman argument that no one is making. The trailer is described as a 26' Jayco, which will be well within the limits of this truck.

[Alpine]

So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?

[JRTJH]

Jeff,

Other than "bragging rights" along the lines of, "My little one can carry as much your big one"... I can't think of much reason to build a "big, little truck".....

Possibly it's a marketing thing for those few who refuse to buy a HD truck because they ride so much worse than a half ton?? But, by the time you add all those "HD parts", who knows ????

[slow]

In my friend’s situation, he only tows ~60 miles each way to the race track he is a marshall at, six times a year. The TV is mostly a daily driver.

He concluded that the TV purchase was the best match for his needs and WITHIN spec.

So in his situation it made sense to him not to buy a SD.

And I suspect his 5.0 will get better mileage than my 6.2 as a daily driver.

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[ctbruce]

Maybe this is what Detroit is building to pull all of those half-ton towable trailers? You just never know.

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[sourdough]

So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?


This would be my concern. Just how much of the running gear did they replace....or not? Maybe they just added about 4 springs to the spring pack and let it go at that. Then all you're doing is overloading a 1/2 ton truck. If they replaced everything it would be a HD truck.....right?

[Desert185]

Hate to be negative, but this adds to the justification for doubting the validity of the payload/GVW rating system...particularly with LRC tires. So, maybe not so impressive to me.

[mfifield01]

I don't think the LRC tires would matter in this case. The listed max GVWR of the F150 with this package is 7850. The LRC tires should hold 9880.

My question is around price. If you buy an uncommon truck, it could be priced similar to a 3/4 ton truck. You can typically get 9-12k off a truck on the lot.

[kfxgreenie]

Hate to be negative, but this adds to the justification for doubting the validity of the payload/GVW TAX system...

There fixed it for ya. :whistling::D

[madmaxmutt]

So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?

There really isn't any such thing as a 1/2 ton as far as I can tell.

Different wants and needs. Why make a Camaro and Charger; doesn't the Corvette and Challenger cover the fast crowd? Why make a Colorado, shouldn't everyone just buy a Silverado?

[Alpine]

There really isn't any such thing as a 1/2 ton as far as I can tell.

Different wants and needs. Why make a Camaro and Charger; doesn't the Corvette and Challenger cover the fast crowd? Why make a Colorado, shouldn't everyone just buy a Silverado?


Someone pulls up in a Camaro then continues to open the hood and shows you the Corvette engine, and and all the running gear and suspention that goes along with a Corvette etc. etc... most folks would ask why didn't you just buy a Corvette? :confused:

[madmaxmutt]

Someone pulls up in a Camaro then continues to open the hood and shows you the Corvette engine, and and all the running gear and suspention that goes along with a Corvette etc. etc... most folks would ask why didn't you just buy a Corvette? :confused:

LOL! So . . . We should just have CAR and TRUCK, nothing else. No reason for variety in this world.

[Alpine]

LOL! So . . . We should just have CAR and TRUCK, nothing else. No reason for variety in this world.

Wow...I give up! That is not what I said! That is what you read into it! Sorry it had to come to this, I am going to move on now! Safe travels to you and your family & Merry Christmas!

[Gegrad]

Jeff,

Other than "bragging rights" along the lines of, "My little one can carry as much your big one"... I can't think of much reason to build a "big, little truck".....

Possibly it's a marketing thing for those few who refuse to buy a HD truck because they ride so much worse than a half ton?? But, by the time you add all those "HD parts", who knows ????

I think there are also insurance ramifications for owning a 2500/3500. So if he can have the payload of a 2500 with the classification of a 1500, could save big on insurance costs.

[sourdough]

I think there are also insurance ramifications for owning a 2500/3500. So if he can have the payload of a 2500 with the classification of a 1500, could save big on insurance costs.


Are we sure about this? I'm thinking (not where I can check) but I do think my rates barely moved when I went from a '13 Ram 1500 to a '14 2500.

[madmaxmutt]

Wow...I give up! That is not what I said! That is what you read into it! Sorry it had to come to this, I am going to move on now! Safe travels to you and your family & Merry Christmas!

Sorry if I am misreading. It appeared to me in both posts you were asking why not just do what you deemed acceptable.

[Javi]

Are we sure about this? I'm thinking (not where I can check) but I do think my rates barely moved when I went from a '13 Ram 1500 to a '14 2500.My rates actually went down when I went to the dually.

Javi

[JRTJH]

My insurance rates went down when I traded the F150 for the F250 also. There are some places where registration/license plates are based on GVW so I'd guess there are some locations that would be disadvantaged by bigger (heavier) trucks, but not here.

I can say that the CAFE standards are different for trucks weighing over 8000 pounds, so along with that, there are probably different "gubmint" standards as well which would affect ownership and who pays what to whom for the privilege of owning a truck. I'm sure some of that is "weight related" as well.... That's probably why the GVW on the truck described at the beginning of this thread is 7850 pounds.....

[ctbruce]

I'd imagine if there was some kind of a insurance cost savings, it would be short lived. The Insurance Boys are pretty sharp that way.

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[Gegrad]

I do think any insurance rates would be variable depending on your location. I am not sure about here, as I have not priced it- it was just a thought that popped into my head as an explanation for having a heavy payload 1500.

I do know here in NC a 2500/3500 would get you classified as a weighted vehicle, so your yearly registration fees would be significantly higher for the heavier truck.