55 ft 5er......3/4 towable?

[Rusty]

Seen this in Facebook last night.....55ft 5er, 21K DRY.. 3/4 ton towable .....

Someone is reaching, we've all heard that dealers will say anything to get your money, to me this is proof!

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[Rusty]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155497671087225&id=701842224

Sorry here is the post! Getting old!

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[Outback 325BH]

How is that legal from a length standpoint. Isn't 65 feet a common maximum length of TV and trailer?


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[Rusty]

How is that legal from a length standpoint. Isn't 65 feet a common maximum length of TV and trailer?


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Honestly I have no idea J, I've seen a lot of double tows that would be pushing that limit, to the limit!

Once seen a early 80's Chevy 1/2 ton pulling a 30 something 5er, and a 20 something ftr Bayliner boat.

And honestly I don't know what the length laws are here in Canada???

[Rusty]

Just did some checking and the max length here in Alberta is 20 Meters, which to you Americans in a hair over 65 ft.

[Sandi587]

I'd like to see the 3/4 ton can tow that, legally.

[Outback 325BH]

I'd like to see the 3/4 ton can tow that, legally.



I'm guessing no SRW would qualify legally.

Unless you load the tongue way light you would crush any SRW GVWR and rear GAWR. I'm guessing no SRW has a GCWR of over 31+ lbs. Using the dry weight (which we no is light) and a 3/4 GVWR that puts you at 31k GCWR. For 1-ton SRW you are at 32.5k GCWR.

It says 21k dry. Wonder what the GVWR is?

To be legal, this is probably asking for F450 (or equivalent). Not sure why seller thinks a 3/4 is legit.

This also brings with it a different class of driver's license too for many states. For Illinois it would require a Class A non-CDL.


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[notanlines]

Sandi, just hang around a little longer....we have any number of them on this forum. Legally, ah, not so much.....:popcorn:
Any chance we smell catfish?

[Rusty]

To be legal, this is probably asking for F450 (or equivalent). Not sure why seller thinks a 3/4 is legit.

The seller is an RV Delearship/Sales in Eldorado Oklahoma, T & K Rv Sales.

[Desert185]

I'd have to get a discount just for the paint job.

[Pull Toy]

If you go to my Album, you'll see my 48 footer, circa 1980. It was a "Cab-over", so only 39 feet was on the pin. The rest went up and over the truck, like an old style moving van, It was 56 foot overall, from headlights, to spare tire. You had to watch the front overhang pulling into a tight spot, as the nose "swept wide" It had opposing slides, which were RARE back then. When open,, the living room was 11 x 16, with entertainment center (Tube type 26" TV... LOL, and a wet bar, no ice maker.!

"Those were the days!" (Archie, and Edith)

[bsmith0404]

I'm guessing no SRW would qualify legally.

Unless you load the tongue way light you would crush any SRW GVWR and rear GAWR. I'm guessing no SRW has a GCWR of over 31+ lbs. Using the dry weight (which we no is light) and a 3/4 GVWR that puts you at 31k GCWR. For 1-ton SRW you are at 32.5k GCWR.

It says 21k dry. Wonder what the GVWR is?

To be legal, this is probably asking for F450 (or equivalent). Not sure why seller thinks a 3/4 is legit.

This also brings with it a different class of driver's license too for many states. For Illinois it would require a Class A non-CDL.


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Yes with a dry weight of 21k this thing will have close to 4K on the pin and most likely over 4K when loaded. This is above even a 1 ton dually and definitely way above a 3/4 ton. RV dealerships do not look at pin weight, they simple look at towing guides to see what the max trailering capacity is.

[Javi]

Yes with a dry weight of 21k this thing will have close to 4K on the pin and most likely over 4K when loaded. This is above even a 1 ton dually and definitely way above a 3/4 ton. RV dealerships do not look at pin weight, they simple look at towing guides to see what the max trailering capacity is.

As a note.. my F350 Dually has a payload of 6062... just saying...:whistling:

[MattE303]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155497671087225&id=701842224

Sorry here is the post! Getting old!

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looks like they pulled the post, must have gotten a wee bit of critical feedback :D

darn, I'd like to have seen it, anybody grab a screenshot?

[B-O-B'03]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155497671087225&id=701842224

Sorry here is the post! Getting old!

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Gotta join facesnoop to view... oh well.

-Brian

[bsmith0404]

As a note.. my F350 Dually has a payload of 6062... just saying...:whistling:

Interesting, most 3500/350 duallies have a GVWR of 13,000 lbs. With a payload of over 6k that means your truck weighs less than 7k???? Is your GVWR higher than 13k? My duramax weighs in at just about 9k, my 2500 duramax was just over 7k

[Javi]

Interesting, most 3500/350 duallies have a GVWR of 13,000 lbs. With a payload of over 6k that means your truck weighs less than 7k???? Is your GVWR higher than 13k? My duramax weighs in at just about 9k, my 2500 duramax was just over 7k

GVWR is 14K

[Outback 325BH]

As a note.. my F350 Dually has a payload of 6062... just saying...:whistling:



Well... if those are 7k axles that is 21k. If using 20% percent pin, that is 26,250 GVWR... which is 5,250 pin. Guess that works OK for a 1-ton DRW.

What is that, around 40,000 GCWR?


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[bsmith0404]

GVWR is 14K
That's still a very light weight crew cab dually, must have helium in the tires

[Javi]

That's still a very light weight crew cab dually, must have helium in the tires

Nope... just no butt warmers...:D

[Bolo4u]

I'd like to see the 3/4 ton can tow that, legally.


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[Rusty]

looks like they pulled the post, must have gotten a wee bit of critical feedback :D

darn, I'd like to have seen it, anybody grab a screenshot?https://flic.kr/p/WgtXRs

Here's one shot of it.

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[Rusty]

looks like they pulled the post, must have gotten a wee bit of critical feedback :D

darn, I'd like to have seen it, anybody grab a screenshot?https://flic.kr/p/WgtXRs

Second shot.

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[Tom N OH]

I can tow that with a '90 S-10, no problem! One ton my azz....:whistling:

[bsmith0404]

I can tow that with a '90 S-10, no problem! One ton my azz....:whistling:

You must have airbags:D

[SummitPond]

Just for grins, here is SpaceCraft's web site. They have a 20 minute video giving a tour of a 57 foot custom 5th wheel. I can't imagine what it costs!

http://spacecraftmfg.com/

[B-O-B'03]

Just for grins, here is SpaceCraft's web site. They have a 20 minute video giving a tour of a 57 foot custom 5th wheel. I can't imagine what it costs!

http://spacecraftmfg.com/

They look pretty heavy too... triple 18K axles, solid wood cabinetry, Corian counters :eek:

Definitely 1/2 ton tow-able ;)

Someone buy one and give us the full report

-Brian

[JRTJH]

SpaceCraft was the "inside back cover ad" in the old "Trailer Life Magazine" nearly every month during the mid 70's. Seems the "cab-over fifth wheel" was their "star ship" during those years. We looked at them when we lived in Denver, but having a 3/4 ton Dodge pickup and a 20' Jayco travel trailer was all we could afford at the time. Besides, trying to tow something that big for 2 people and a miniature Dachshund, well, it didn't make sense.....

My guess is that the 55' fifth wheel in the original post pictures is a "custom build trailer" probably for a carnival/travelling circus family. I'd guess it was towed by something much larger than a 3/4 ton truck, probably more like a medium duty Freightliner, Kenworth or ???

[Bolo4u]

At the RV park where we stayed on our first stop in Montana, this rig pulled in the next day. Yes, that is a smart car on the TV.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170809/f02513324d0ff94378e33c4d55754781.jpg
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[Jayruger22]

At the RV park where we stayed on our first stop in Montana, this rig pulled in the next day. Yes, that is a smart car on the TV.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170809/f02513324d0ff94378e33c4d55754781.jpg
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Now that's legit, where do I get that setup. ;)


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[MattE303]

As a note.. my F350 Dually has a payload of 6062... just saying...:whistling:My 02 has the white "MFG By Ford Motor Co" sticker, but is too old to have the yellow one like that with the payload (when did those start, 06?). Where is that sticker normally located on Super Duty's? I'd like to look at the numbers next time I check out trucks at the dealer.

[Javi]

My 02 has the white "MFG By Ford Motor Co" sticker, but is too old to have the yellow one like that with the payload (when did those start, 06?). Where is that sticker normally located on Super Duty's? I'd like to look at the numbers next time I check out trucks at the dealer.

Mine is located on the center post..

[JRTJH]

On Fords, open the driver's door and it's on the right body door pillar about mid point.

[Outback 325BH]

My 02 has the white "MFG By Ford Motor Co" sticker, but is too old to have the yellow one like that with the payload (when did those start, 06?). Where is that sticker normally located on Super Duty's? I'd like to look at the numbers next time I check out trucks at the dealer.



No need for a sticker. Just weigh your truck and subtract that from your GVWR. That is what payload is.

The sticker becomes irrelevant the second you drive your truck home; it is merely an "idea" of what your payload is.


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[notanlines]

Naw, we don't need no stinkin' stickers......uh, you spoke about the GVWR. I'm kind of wondering why you don't just make up your own. After all, you just made up your own payload.:rolleyes::horse:

[Outback 325BH]

Naw, we don't need no stinkin' stickers......uh, you spoke about the GVWR. I'm kind of wondering why you don't just make up your own. After all, you just made up your own payload.:rolleyes::horse:



Huh? That is what payload is: GVWR minus actual truck weight.

Since your truck changes weight all of the time, payload is a moving target. That is why the sticker isn't very accurate.

Are you disagreeing with that?


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[notanlines]

"The sticker becomes irrelevant the second you drive your truck home" That's the part I guess I just didn't understand.

[Javi]

"The sticker becomes irrelevant the second you drive your truck home" That's the part I guess I just didn't understand.

The reason the payload is constantly changing is that everything you put on or in the truck decreases the available payload.... put enough stuff on or in and payload will be "0"... Payload is the registered GVWR less ACTUAL weight...

Add a hitch and it decreases the payload, add a passenger, it decreases the payload, kick the passenger to the curb, the payload goes back up... :D

[xcntrk]

Unless you add air-bags, then you can double your payload. :facepalm:

[MattE303]

No need for a sticker. Just weigh your truck and subtract that from your GVWR. That is what payload is.

The sticker becomes irrelevant the second you drive your truck home; it is merely an "idea" of what your payload is.


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I have weighed my own truck and I know exactly what my "legal" payload is, but as I made very clear in my post, I'm interested in the payload sticker because I want to look at new trucks, and it would be nice to have some idea where they are on payload for comparison purposes... or do you bring your own scales with you and weigh them at the dealership? :rolleyes:

[chuckster57]

I would think the number to look at when comparison shopping is the GVWR. Which one can carry the most.

[jimthemosaicguy]

I was amused by their claim of towable with a 3/4 ton. I didn't have a problem accessing their link a few days ago. However, the link is no longer available......I had a good chuckle about their claim. They claimed it could be towed with a 3/4 ton. But they didn't say whether you could control it or more importantly stop it! I'd be curious to know whether the dealer actually pulled it with a 3/4 ton farther than across their parking lot. Also, what's the story about that nasty smash on the corner. Just being bitchy and not expecting a response.


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[jimthemosaicguy]

Oh I forgot....are there many campgrounds that have the space to park it?


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[MattE303]

No need for a sticker. Just weigh your truck and subtract that from your GVWR. That is what payload is.

The sticker becomes irrelevant the second you drive your truck home; it is merely an "idea" of what your payload is.


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I would think the number to look at when comparison shopping is the GVWR. Which one can carry the most.

You start with GVWR, but trim level can make a big difference on otherwise comparably configured (same GVWR) trucks. For example a F350 LB CC Diesel Lariat will weight a lot more than a F350 LB CC Diesel XL. My understanding is that the yellow payload sticker is specific to each individual truck (as it left the factory), so it should reflect that weight difference. Am I wrong about that?

[ScotnBev]

The GVWR is the max weight of a vehicle, and typically it's the same across the vehicle classrs; 2017; F250 - 10K, F350 SRW 11,400, F350 DRW 14K (similar for the other brands).

The cargo capacity is specific per vehicle, cargo = GVWR - actual vehicle weight. EVERYTHING added to the vechile is cargo, fuel, passengers, pets, snacks, hitch, pin weight, etc. The GVWR is a legal limit. Cargo capacity tells you what that specific vechile can carry - let's know how much less you can carry with the heated butt warmers.

There is nothing you can do to legally change the GVWR. Remove the butt warmers and you can an additional 3 pounds. [emoji3]

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[xcntrk]

You start with GVWR, but trim level can make a big difference on otherwise comparably configured (same GVWR) trucks. For example a F350 LB CC Diesel Lariat will weight a lot more than a F350 LB CC Diesel XL. My understanding is that the yellow payload sticker is specific to each individual truck (as it left the factory), so it should reflect that weight difference. Am I wrong about that?No, this is right.

When I bought my 1-ton SRW, I focused on GVWR coming in at 11.5k. Then I realized the trim level I selected (2nd from the top) ate away significantly at the payload. A base trim rig in my same model has like 50% more payload before meeting GVWR because the rig weighs less without the burden of all bells and whistles from the upgraded trim.

[MattE303]

No, this is right.

When I bought my 1-ton SRW, I focused on GVWR coming in at 11.5k. Then I realized the trim level I selected (2nd from the top) ate away significantly at the payload. A base trim rig in my same model has like 50% more payload before meeting GVWR because the rig weighs less without the burden of all bells and whistles from the upgraded trim.

Thanks for the clarification. What is the payload on your truck per the sticker? Are you within GVWR given the pin weight of your Fuzion? Asking because I'll be looking at very similar truck and the pin weight on my Carbon is within a couple hundred pounds of your Fuzion.