Hensley Arrow hitch vs new TV

[busterbrown]

My dilemma. I've owned and pulled my 35 foot Keystone Bullet for 4 months now with relatively good comfort. My Blue OX hitch has done its job for the most part keeping the trailing tracking my TV and minimizing sway events.

But this past Sunday was a completely different story. Crosswinds were greater than 40 mph, driving 200 miles back home from our campground on Lake Michigan. The trailer sway was nearly impossible to control with corrections from my TV. (The sway being A normally 3 hour commute back took 5 hours.

Almost every pull behind that I saw was experiencing the same thing, significant sway. I saw quite a few trailers on the side of the road making adjustments to loads and hitches.

So after saying a 1000 times over to myself on the way home, "I'm buying the biggest motherf'n, heaviest truck I can tomorrow", I analysed the trailer's unsafe behavior and started to research a Hensley hitch. I reached out to them yesterday and spoke with a rep. They told me that I'm the case study they designed the hitch for. Don't know if they are just blowing smoke up my arse, but the engineering seems like it eliminates sway completely.

As I do have a capable vehicle to pull and stop the load, I'm drastically missing the component that prevents sway under extreme conditions. I'm not sure upgrading to a full ton truck will provide a resolve.

I'd rather take a $2,500 to $3,000 hit for an option that will eliminate sway vs a $40-50K hit for an option that may still not correct the problem.

Advice on the performance of these Hensley hitches is greatly appreciated. I was also wondering how cumbersome these Hensley Arrows hitches are to mount and dismount in and out of campgrounds.

[rhagfo]

All I can say is that is a pretty big sail for that TV. Hensley is a respected hitch for solving sway issues, but the big question is have you been across a set of scales with the new trailer?
Need some weights seems like you have a family of five, that in its self is a lot weight. While the trailer is light it is also long and tall!!! close to 350 sq. ft. of sail area. What did you tow before?

[TonyCO]

If you are looking at Hensley you might as well check out ProPride as well. I'm not the weight police, but with your family and nothing else in the Yukon and the trailer empty you are probably overweight at least on the rear axle and likely GVWR. Just info, not preaching.

[mwhit]

I have a Fuzion 300 Toy Hauler 35 feet long. That is a lot of wall to push in a cross wind. All I can tell you is the Hensley hitch does work, solved my sway issue and the same for my father in law on a past trailer. No smoke blowing by Hensley rep or me. The hitch stays on the trailer same with the spring bars. You have what is called a stinger you place in the receiver of the TV and back to the trailer inserting the other end into the wedge base. Lock in the (2) over center clamp arms, connect safety chains, electrical plug, break away switch and tension the spring bars using a 3/4" socket on a cordless drill, or whatever you use the extend the jacks. Good luck in whatever you decide.

[busterbrown]

Only cargo in our TV is passengers, a couple child seats and a diaper bag. Everything else is put in the trailer. Trailer weighed 7200 lbs loaded at a scale on our first trip back in April. We have since lessened the load by removing tools, equipment and non-essentials over the past 3 months. I don't have an accurate tongue weight but I'm pretty sure it's above the 10% gross vehicle weight. We did add a couple 40 lb bikes to a bike rack on the rear of the trailer. In turn, I removed the bumper BBQ and repositioned a few heavy items into the front passthrough storage compartment.

In essence, the trailer is lighter now than on our first few trips out. Since installing the hitch and bikes, I do travel with our front mounted fresh water tank about 1/3 full, helping to put weight on the tongue. Filling the tank to full on Sunday may have helped a little but I doubt any significant reduction. The only RV's pulling nicely were the 5ers. I saw the same sway out of all the pull behinds that passed me. Some were going in excess of 70 mph!! That was just seemed crazy to me.

I don't have any reluctancy to purchase a new longer wheel base 3/4 or full ton truck. In fact, I would be nice to have a bed and larger payload capacity. But opting for a new TV, will it actually solve the sway issues on extremely windy days? A colleague I work with (who's been pulling trailers for years) said it's the nature of the beast from a pull behind. He told me a Hensley or Propride hitch is the way to go if you want to keep the same TV and save your knuckles.

Still looking for real world experiences as I'm on the fence.

[slow]

I tow my shorter 23 RB with a F250 (with electronic sway control) and a ProPride since we make a long annual road trip plus long weekend treks. Twice a year (spring and fall) I pull with a Reese WD hitch w/o mechanical sway control from and to indoor storage. Some would say they are the opposite ends of the hitch spectrum.

I definitely notice a difference with cross winds. With ProPride, I do not notice the wind and can comfortably snack and have a sip of tea as I drive, whereas with the Reese it is noticeable and more comfortable with both hands on the steering wheel, but not white knuckle.

As others have said, a heavier TV with more wheel base should be considered. And if you can pull it off, also get a ProPride for worry free towing.

BTW: hitching and unhitching with the ProPride is quick and entertaining to our campground neighbours. Very simple once understood.


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[CaptnJohn]

Yes it will help ~~ but will become an albatross when you upgrade to a heavier TV and 5er in the future. I wish I had bought a F350 long before I did. It would have saved a ton of $$ on TTs, options, an F250 and much else.

[RGene7001]

40 mph is a very strong wind, in fact it is in the tropical storm range. I would not be towing in such wind. Period. No matter if this is a TT, 5th wheel or MH.
Hensley will likely help with sway but it will not prevent anyone from getting blown of the road or bridge, which can happen even with a loaded 18 wheeler.
My setup is almost fifth wheel stable, I almost never feel passing trucks or moderate winds, but when I came across severe thunderstorm recently I could feel it as well.
Your Yukon Denali is way bigger and heavier than my ML, but long rear overhang, soft suspension and tires kill its stability with TT; and 35 feet of trailer is not a joke. You should optimize your setup, weight distribution and sway control, your tow bar should be as short as possible to minimize rear overhang, tires should be inflated to the maximum pressure according to the sidewall; auto manufacturer's pressure recommendations from the gas tank door is for comfort, not for towing in most cases. Hensley will definitely help with comfort if you can afford it in terms of $$ and extra payload it requires, but eventually everything has its limitation, even the Hensley.
Good luck

[xcntrk]

Yes it will help ~~ but will become an albatross when you upgrade to a heavier TV and 5er in the future. I wish I had bought a F350 long before I did. It would have saved a ton of $$ on TTs, options, an F250 and much else.

This!!!

I bought and used a ProPride for 2 seasons. Works great for what it does, but no hitch will make up for an inadequate tow vehicle. Ended up with a 1-ton truck anyway (mostly for the payload aspect) and yanked a 33' trailer around with a ProPride.

2 additional points to consider: first is that the second-hand market for Hensley/Propride is pretty good. The hitch is just as good used as new, easily rebuildable or reconditions, and is a good way to cut the cost in half if you're uncertain how long you'll use the product. So search craigslist for used and monitor as they pop up. Can usually get the whole system from anywhere between 600-900 bucks. Second point is don't rule out a 5th wheel. If you don't like trailer sway, go 5'er and don't look back. The other poster commented on 1-hand driving, I'm constantly blow away by how stable and straight tracking the 5'er load is compared to bumper pull. It's a totally different experience!

[Outback 325BH]

Put a $50 anti-sway bar on it. Makes a huge difference. Anti-sway bars do what the gimmicky "sway control" features of otherwise good WD systems dream of (not talking about Hensley type hitches).


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[busterbrown]

Put a $50 anti-sway bar on it. Makes a huge difference. Anti-sway bars do what the gimmicky "sway control" features of otherwise good WD systems dream of (not talking about Hensley type hitches).


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I don't know if installing a larger, beefier sway bar to the rear of the TV will make much of a difference in my case. Cross winds will still exert lateral forces on the rear of the trailer inducing sway conditions. It might help a loose TV rear end in a controlled turn but I'd have to be convinced it would severely dampen the sway I experienced last Sunday.

[Outback 325BH]

I don't know if installing a larger, beefier sway bar to the rear of the TV will make much of a difference in my case. Cross winds will still exert lateral forces on the rear of the trailer inducing sway conditions. It might help a loose TV rear end in a controlled turn but I'd have to be convinced it would severely dampen the sway I experienced last Sunday.



A "larger, beefier one?" Sorry, I didn't realize you already had one.

But yes, it is what they do. They provide a considerable amount of resistance. I have one on a 38 ft TT and the control is significant.


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[busterbrown]

I found a re-manufactured Hensley Swift Arrow hitch for about $1100 less than new. Hensley has a 60 day buy back guarantee and will help with installation and initial setup. I will attempt to get it installed tomorrow as our next voyage is in 6 days. I do NOT want a repeat of last Sunday's drive home. My knuckles still hurt.

I'll write a nice update to its performance and ease of use after next week's trip. Hopefully, I can help other members in their quest for safe travels.

[TonyCO]

Awesome. Thanks and good luck with the hitch and trip!

[CaptnJohn]

I found a re-manufactured Hensley Swift Arrow hitch for about $1100 less than new. Hensley has a 60 day buy back guarantee and will help with installation and initial setup. I will attempt to get it installed tomorrow as our next voyage is in 6 days. I do NOT want a repeat of last Sunday's drive home. My knuckles still hurt.

I'll write a nice update to its performance and ease of use after next week's trip. Hopefully, I can help other members in their quest for safe travels.

Hopefully, you never find that much crosswind again.

[busterbrown]

Just picked up the Hensley SwiftArrow hitch directly from their factory and will be installing later today or tomorrow. It's been a pleasure dealing with the Hensley people. Their rep was very patient with me as I only asked 1001 questions. Great customer service so far. They even have a 24 hour support line in case you need help hitching or unhitching at 3 am on a Sunday morning. Can't wait to get this thing on and make our first trip with it. :D

[rhagfo]

All I can say is that is a pretty big sail for that TV. Hensley is a respected hitch for solving sway issues, but the big question is have you been across a set of scales with the new trailer?
Need some weights seems like you have a family of five, that in its self is a lot weight. While the trailer is light it is also long and tall!!! close to 350 sq. ft. of sail area. What did you tow before?

Just asking again, been across the scales yet??? Hensley can only fix so much. :banghead:

[capri180]

I experienced your situation last Fall. At the time we were towing a 35' TT with new half ton Ram, utilizing an e2 hitch setup. We had everything across the CAT scales and were within limits fully loaded, so we felt we were good to go. Towed all Spring & Summer with no issues whatsoever. However, on the way home from our final camping trip of the season we encountered a lot of wind and horrible sway. The worst came from a crosswind blast...one moment we were in the center of the lane and in the snap of your fingers we were pushed beyond the rumble strips and very near the guard rails. I was shaken, my wife in tears, and we got off the interstate the very next exit to calm our nerves. We made it home without incident but immediately started looking into the Hensley.

Ultimately after tons on online research, we determined that our truck was too light (despite the numbers) and our e2 hitch was inferior. We upgraded to a new 3/4 ton diesel and Reese dual cam hitch assembly. Talk about a night and day difference! No more sway for any reason...wind, tractor trailers passing, going over rough overpasses, etc. Towing the TT became what it should have been all along, a pleasure on our way to pleasant weekends away from reality.

We have since switched over to a 5er and again, what a difference compared to towing the TT even with the dual cam Reese! We are very close to embarking on a 2 week trip to Colorado and I could not imagine travelling over 1500 miles each way with anything other than the 5er.

Good luck with your Hensley and let us know how you make out!

[sourdough]

IMO you just have too much trailer for too small a vehicle. In fact, I was just looking at a Denali like yours in a parking lot thinking about your initial posts. That is a small vehicle for a 35' trailer. I don't think there is any way you can prevent sway or push with that much "sail" behind you - Hensley or not; particularly in heavy winds.

We upgraded to a 2500 (from a 1500) with an Equalizer hitch and it make a world of difference. In our country (W TX) a 40mph wind is common. With our first setup it would push us and cause sway. That doesn't happen now. Like one poster said, I can now drive with one hand and enjoy the trip no matter what's happening outside. We make a trip to FL every year (about 1300 miles) and it's now an enjoyable adventure vs a white knuckle affair.

[busterbrown]

I'm going to give this Hensley hitch a chance to see how it holds up for the rest of the season. We have a 400 mile (800 r/t) trek up to the UP of Michigan this week and some small 100 mile trips for the late summer/fall. This week will be the big test going over the Mackinaw bridge. I hope it's windy.

I had the truck out on the interstate 3 days ago after installing the HA for a brief test run. Wow, the truck drove like a tank. It felt like the tow vehicle and trailer became one. I ran it up to 70mph for about 8 miles and I was smiling! 1 finger on the steering wheel was the only thing I needed. The constant minor steering adjustments weren't required.

I can't wait to get it out on the open road with some significant crosswinds and passing big rigs. So far, I'm extremely impressed. I had to make adjustments to the chain length on the spring bars. And no one told me about the "hensley bump"! Always leave the brake controller in B2 mode. Had to make adjustments to the gain on the P3 for the trailer to lead. It scared the "bejesus" out of me when I had the boost off coming to my first stop.

If I can safely run this rig for a few years and enjoy the road, it will have been worth the $2K investment. I would like the biggest "F'in" truck I could afford but it would sit 6 months of the year. In a few years, we'll be in a better position for a full ton truck. Maybe one of the auto manufacturers will reassess the trailer hauling market and bring back a HD SUV (with a diesel).

As far as weights, I'm sure I'm close to capacity on payload with the new hitch, right about 1560 lbs. The trailer is loaded properly and weights in way under the GVW limits. The truck accelerates greats and stops on a dime. If the sway is grossly eliminated, I'll be happy. In a few years, payload will go up, our interests will change (probably look for a toy hauler) and will do what every other RV family does, upgrade!

Thanks for all the comments. I'll have a nice write up of the Hensley after we get back from upper pennisula of Michigan next week. If it's a miserable experience, I have 60 days to return the hitch. I'm hoping its not!

[xcntrk]

I forget to mention the Hensley bump. And for those wondering, this where the trailer can run up onto the pivot head of the Hensley under heavy braking. Basically the TV stops shorter than the TT and as a result the trailer runs up onto the converged link pivot head (as if in a turn), until the head reaches full swivel limit and makes a "thud" usually felt as a bump to the TV.

Sounds like you have it covered with more braking power on the trailer. You actually get used to it after a while. After I later upgraded to a 1-ton truck while still pulling a TT with ProPride, the Hensley bump would happen and you could hear the thud but the truck wouldn't budge. Like a toy bumping into a tank :D

[slow]

I must of lucked out with my brake controller settings because I never experienced the "bump". That suggests. It can be avoided with proper settings. Keep adjusting until it no longer happens.


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[busterbrown]

I must of lucked out with my brake controller settings because I never experienced the "bump". That suggests. It can be avoided with proper settings. Keep adjusting until it no longer happens.


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I think I've tweaked my brake controller as the bump is virtually non-existent now.

[busterbrown]

Ok, I thought I would see significant improvement with sway tendencies of my TT. I was wrong. I experienced complete resolution. Our 800 mile voyage was so relaxing pulling the Bullet that I let my wife drive almost the entire way home. ;) Her words exactly, "It's so easy to drive". I concur.

The Hensley keeps the trailer in linear alignment with the TV that it's next to impossible to feel the trailer pull laterally. It just doesn't happen. The big rigs, the crosswinds, the down grades: none of these factors influenced the trailer. The TV does seem more stout and heavy pulling at 65 MPH.

Initially, I was intimidated with hooking and unhooking the trailer. But after about 3 practice attempts, the process has become as easy as hitching the Blue Ox. There is a learning curve, but it's very short one. Takes about 2 minutes in total to get the trailer secured to the TV.

I did stop at a cat scale and was able to get the rig weighed. With a full tank of gas, 2 babies, one 1st grader, my wife, myself, and a couple small coolers, the payload was about 25lbs under capacity. Not much wiggle room, but under none-the-less. Trailer weighed about 7440 lbs, 400 lbs under the GVW. Tongue weight was around 850 lbs, about 11.5% of the trailers GVW. The Blue Ox pnly weights about half as much as the Hensley Arrow giving me more payload. But the stability of the Hensley was so worth losing a 100 lbs of payload.

Overall, I wish I just purchased the Hensley Arrow when I bought the trailer. It would have saved me a few dollars and a many white knuckles. Even the rep at Hensley told me that the Arrow was most applicable on rigs like mine. I completely agree.

[slow]

Glad to hear that it has all worked out for you.

They truly are incredible to tow with and can only be appreciated by experience. You should be able to completely eliminate the bump. Keep tweeting.

Coming out of the Rockies yesterday, we had strong cross winds. I did not even notice them. After coming over a ridge, I noticed in my mirror a trailer a quarter mile back, swaying across two lanes. Luckily it was not catastrophic and he was able to get it straightened out.

I have no idea what his set up was, but at that moment I was happy I had the ProPride.



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[xcntrk]

Great to hear the Hensley is working for you! That sway can be a real concern and it sounds like the Hensley has helped to curb the problem.

Keep an eye on that payload subject. If you embark on numerous outings per year (dozen or more) and are at the top of your vehicle limits each time out, you should really start thinking about a more capable tow vehicle. "You can never have too much tow vehicle, but you can easily have not enough".

[busterbrown]

After coming over a ridge, I noticed in my mirror a trailer a quarter mile back, swaying across two lanes.

That was my experience 3 weeks ago. I don't know how many people I made soil themselves! I know I needed a clean pair of underwear when I got home. Loving the Hensley now!

[thewhitehat]

Good deal! I couldn't recommend the Hensley more. And as you now know, the high price is a small price to pay for your life and for peace of mind.

[Outback 325BH]

The biggest problem I see with modern WD systems (not Hensley types) with "built in" sway control is people don't use a sway bar. The manufacturers have sold the idea that a sway bar is not needed. Maybe true for shorter rigs, but not true for longer ones. The sway control built in to these WD systems pale in comparison to an actual sway bar.


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[busterbrown]

Good deal! I couldn't recommend the Hensley more. And as you now know, the high price is a small price to pay for your life and for peace of mind.

Driving through my RV storage lot today, I noticed only 3 other trailers with either Propride or Hensley Arrows attached. This is out of some 300 units I drove by. Is it just a high price point or lack of knowledge of the brand? I question why I wouldn't see more considering how well they actually work.

[TonyCO]

Driving through my RV storage lot today, I noticed only 3 other trailers with either Propride or Hensley Arrows attached. This is out of some 300 units I drove by. Is it just a high price point or lack of knowledge of the brand? I question why I wouldn't see more considering how well they actually work.



Has to be the price in my opinion. My Andersen No Sway works perfectly, but if money wasn't an object I would definitely step up.

[busterbrown]

Has to be the price in my opinion. My Andersen No Sway works perfectly, but if money wasn't an object I would definitely step up.

I had the impression that my $550 Blue Ox hitch would be great at minimizing trailer sway. It did the job in ideal driving conditions. But it would require me to have two hands on the wheel at highway speeds making frequent (albeit small) steering adjustments. It wasn't until this past week when driving with the Hensley did I appreciate how relaxing the drive can be. One handed on the steering wheel, passing big rigs as I crest the hill at highway speeds without any lateral movement of the trailer. That was the safety and drivability factor I was searching for! It's like the tow vehicle and trailer have wheels on the same frame rail.

We're planning a trip to Tennessee at the end of the month and I can't wait to see how the rig handles the Smoky Mountains.

[busterbrown]

Two weeks ago, we returned from our Michigan to Orlando, FL (Fort Wilderness) trip pulling our 35 foot, 7000 lb sail. I-75 southbound for 16 hours I though might be a challenge. Boy, was I wrong.

Ohio greeted us with construction lanes on many miles of its interstate. Anyone who pulls a rig in narrow construction lanes with concrete barriers for shoulders knows how nerve racking the drive can be. The Hensley performed awesome in and out of these construction zones as my trailer stoutly stayed behind my truck inches away from the big rigs in the adjacent lane. I never had a single moment of unease or fear even on the most narrow segments of the temporary road bed.

Kentucky and Tennessee brought on the hills. Not as extreme as driving to the Eisenhower tunnel along the I-70 corridor in Colorado but a nice test of the rigs ability to crest a hill with trailer traffic and crosswinds. Again, the trailer did not exhibit any sway. A confident "one hand on the steering wheel" approach without the sore white knuckles. The Hensley arrow had completely changed our driving experience.

Georgia didn't challenge us much. Although, I didn't like driving through Atlanta around 5pm on a weekend day. But not due to anything towing related. It was interstate gridlock on a hot Friday afternoon. Now, I can appreciate Detroit's rush hour much more.

After a relaxing night at a full hook up site 60 miles into Florida, we began the next day with a early dash to Fort Wilderness via the Florida Turnpike. I had no idea that I would soon be testing the limits of the Hensley on the FTP.

Cruising at 65 mph in the right lane and about 40 minutes from our destination, a pickup truck (in the left lane but in front of us) ran over the mangled remains of an entire semi truck tire. That tire catapulted directly in front of my truck. I swerved left as I would have made contact it if i moved the rig right. A car next to me was attempting to pass me at this exact moment on the left. I corrected my initial action and steered right to avoid a side impact. At 65 MPH and with split second directional changes, my trailer just followed along as if it was locked in place on my truck's frame rails. This recovery would have never happened with my Blue OX sway pro hitch. In fact, it could have been catastrophic for the TV and trailer.

This was the only time during the trip that my knuckles were ghostly white, but for the most obvious reason. Since that event, my DW and I are absolutely positive that the Hensley Arrow was our saving grace and wouldn't think twice about purchasing it again.

[slow]

Glad to hear that you were able to safely maneuver your rig to avoid an accident.

The articulating hitches (Hensley or ProPride) are truly a different towing experience that is difficult to convince others of that have not experienced it themselves. Well worth the money IMO as well.

[busterbrown]

The articulating hitches (Hensley or ProPride) are truly a different towing experience that is difficult to convince others of that have not experienced it themselves.

You're absolutely right. Until someone uses a Hensley or Propride for themselves, they can only relate to their current hitch setup and experience. I am so glad that I took the risk and shelled out the money. This was by far the highlight of my aftermarket RV product purchases.

[Waldo_2001]

This has been said but here is my experience.

First camper 30 ft with 2011 F-150 with Max Tow package. Pulled ok but still had sway with Equalizer hitch/ Then Tried Anderson Hitch / still not happy. Changed tires to 10 ply. That helped quite a bit. Bought the Pro Pride set up and it made all the difference in the world. Very happy and then bought a 35ft trailer. Now the F-150 was to small for the trailer. Now have a F-250 with the Pro Pride and all is well. Your Tow vehicle is way to small to tow what you have safely no matter the hitch. The hitch will be a band aid to a bigger problem of to big of a camper and to small of a tow vehicle. Just my rant

[busterbrown]

This has been said but here is my experience.

First camper 30 ft with 2011 F-150 with Max Tow package. Pulled ok but still had sway with Equalizer hitch/ Then Tried Anderson Hitch / still not happy. Changed tires to 10 ply. That helped quite a bit. Bought the Pro Pride set up and it made all the difference in the world. Very happy and then bought a 35ft trailer. Now the F-150 was to small for the trailer. Now have a F-250 with the Pro Pride and all is well. Your Tow vehicle is way to small to tow what you have safely no matter the hitch. The hitch will be a band aid to a bigger problem of to big of a camper and to small of a tow vehicle. Just my rant
We are within the capacities of our tv and trailer. When the kids get older and we want to haul more payload, an upgrade will be in order. As for now, the truck pulls better than I would have ever anticipated. Not my rant...

[Ken / Claudia]

First off, I am glad the maneuver around debris worked out. That is what nearly everyone does. That is natural. That is normally the worst thing to do. Without writing a chapter on how to maintain control of a moving vehicle. We train to drive over debris because any sudden movement of steering or braking can and will cause a loss of control at highway speeds. Those movements are overly done because of the panic. Besides you will never know 100% the lanes are clear next to you. In a panic you cannot take time to check. Advice to avoid a crash, take foot off throttle, any steering that must be done must be slowly. Better to go straight. After impact, start braking, testing the brakes slowly by only small amount of pressure. Drive to shoulder and check out vehicle damage. You will never do any of that safe stuff unless you train at it or, always think about it before it happens. By that I mean, have a plan before, trying to remember what to do at the event is to late.