2016 deal or wait for 2017 ford superduty?

[Bhickey2304]

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

[CaptnJohn]

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

2017s are not out yet. There are nice rebates available now but they could get better or worse on July 6. I picked up my 2016 F350 with the 6.7 just 3 days ago.

I posted my deal here on a lariat with the ultimate package. I'll wait 3 years on the new aluminum body. Had it on my 2015 F150 without a problem but only because I needed a light truck for a short time.

The only difference noticed between the 6.7 with 3.31 and 3.55 is a slight decrease on MPG. No matter which ~ I'd spring for the 6.7. No matter if you sell or trade in 1 year or 15 years a 6.7 will be much more desirable and retain much more of it's value. BUT it is a big bite...

[BlueThunder34]

I'll put my 2cents in FWIW as I purchased a 2016 F350 at the beginning of this year and have some decent trips under its belt. 1st - go with the 1 ton, more payload (about 1,000lbs more) over the 250 and really not much more expensive than the 250, about $800 depending on your dealer. As for the 6.2L gasser vs 6.7L diesel, well it's your money and it does bump the cost up quite a bit but if you are planning to upgrade to a 5er in the future I would strongly recommend the diesel. There really is no comparison when towing, the gasser will get it done but nowhere near as effortlessly as the diesel not to mention the exhaust brake that comes with it as well. We recently just got back from a 500 mile trip through some steep mountain passes with friends who had a 2015 350 gasser and he was quite annoyed by the time we got to our sites listening to the engine screaming over the mountains while mine went over effortlessly. Upgrading now with a 2016 and taking advantage of some of those heafty rebates can really help offset the cost of the diesel upgrade vs waiting for a 2017 which will likely not have much if anything in the way of discounts.
Yes, there is a difference between 3.73's and 4.10's get the 4.10's with the 6.2L you will want more gearing for towing. I test drove both a 250 and 350 and to me the ride was identical.

[larry337]

Definitely F350 in my opinion. Very little difference in ride or price. Way more payload. But you should drive them for yourself. As for the 4.10, without looking it up and I may be wrong, I think the max tow rating is considerably higher. As for fuel economy I think you'll find the gasser is not very good anyway so I'd want the 4.10. As for the 6.7, that goes without saying. :)
As for 16 vs 17, I think that's a personal choice.

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[JRTJH]

The 2017 SuperDuty will have some "new innovations" that simply aren't available on the 2016 and older models. Things like the ability to integrate a trailer "rear camera" into the center stack display are new in the 2017 models.

As for the F250 or F350 ride, they are so close to the same "comfort level" that you'd be hard pressed to differentiate between them, so I'd suggest the F350 if your garage is tall enough to get under the door.

Now, the "biggie" is the decision between a gas or diesel. Essentially, on a 2016, the Ford rebates/sales advantages are around $10K. There will probably not be any rebates on the 2017 models during the first year, so one way to look at it is that you can get a diesel equipped 2016 for less than the cost of a gas 2017 (assuming the rebate situation is not available on the 2017). That would mean that at "trade in time" you'd probably get more "return for the investment" on the diesel equipped truck than on the gas truck. So, a "hard choice" to wait and pay more or buy now and get more truck for less money.

Decisions, decisions, decisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rbev2308]

I agree with what John says. There are some new gadgets on the 17's but I already integrated what I wanted on my 2014 like my rear camera. A friend of mine is a sales manager for Super Duty and no way will they even offer any real incentives on 17's cause they are pushing this new aluminum features and sales are up big time. You will always get a better deal on leftover stuff that has already been built and in many cases, forwarded to dealers. The MFR uses its profits as rebates to help dealers push this stuff. Anytime you get a major change like in the 2017's, you will get better deals on those 2016's...I would gladly save 10K or more on MSRP (Basically invoice plus rebates for Diesels). Me personally, I would take a diesel and unless you are pulling some insane amounts, I would stay away from the heavier gear unless you get the gasser...I have friends with the larger rear end on diesels getting 10 mpg but they tow a ton...I don't plus when I do, I am around 14,800 which is fine. Now my final push is for a DRW...I don't know I just fell in love with my dually and I can tell difference between pulling with the SRW versus the DRW. The handling is just so much better plus I like 3 good tires versus 1 in a blowout...In the end, its all personal preference I guess. Nothing like tow haul mode in cruise control and letting that diesel do its job...

[CaptnJohn]

Finding a 3.31 on an F250 6.7 is easy. It is also the standard on the F350but finding one ~~ I could not. All had the 3.55 at a $390 option cost. I towed often slightly over payload and once in an emergency greatly over with out a problem with a 3.31 F250. The slight fuel savings is a benefit with no negative.

[Bhickey2304]

Well I really would like a diesel but with all the emissions, fuel system issues and initial cost I just don't toe enough to justify that (believe me I would if I could at all). But those are just problems I heard in the forums which I know is a really bad source sometimes. Lol. So if I go with a diesel what are the real chances of having any issues? Thanks for the responses.

[1jeep]

My previous 2011 f250 had the 6.7 and had zero issues, it also had the 3:55 gears and I would average 17mpg empty on the highway. 11mpg towing, my buddy has a 6.2 with the 4:30 gears and he is getting 8mpg towing, he is happy with his 6.2 and most of his driving is local so a diesel wouldn't have worked for him.

I purchased a 2016 f 350 drw a few months ago, they took $12k off the sticker. I could have waited for a 2017 BUT even though it is the same drivetrain I would like to see a few years on them before jumping on board the aluminum train! As for gadgets, my previous truck was a base lariat, new one is a platinum so for me it was already a gadget bonanza and I don't feel I should have waited for more cameras.

[slow]

If the temptation of "new" can be resisted, skipping the first 2 model years is always is a wise choice. The first year always has issues and the second year is too soon for the fixes to be introduced. The third year and beyond usually has things sorted out.

[fla-gypsy]

If it were me I would go 16-Gas-4.10.

[Bhickey2304]

So to throw new wrinkle in my plan I just found out today about a 2008 6.4l 4x4 Ccsb 350. With 13,000 miles for $25k. I like the newer truck and the 6.7 is much better but it would be paid for. Decisions decisions.

[larry337]

I've owned both. My 6.4 was a reliable motor with plenty of power. But the emissions is horrible. They regens frequently, like all the time. The fuel mileage is horrible. The early 08's had radiator issues. The only way I'd consider that one is I'd you delete the DPF and run a mild tune. If you do that it would be a serious option, fuel economy and power would be similar to a 6.7. They are both smooth and sweet running engines. But the 6.7 has a smoother 6 speed auto and better electronics in the gauges. No payments is definitely a plus.

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[1jeep]

Having owned both I agree with Larry...I would still have my 08 F350 but we needed a crew cab and it wasn't.

[jsmith948]

I fail to see what difference how much you tow makes regarding which engine you choose.
Just run the numbers. Empty or loaded, the diesel will get way better fuel mileage and that savings on fuel adds up. We get, depending on wind and terrain and how fast we drive, 12.5 to 14 mpg towing and 17.3 empty city - 20 to 22 mpg empty on cruise at 60mph. The 331 are the way to go with the diesel. JMHO

[Bhickey2304]

The biggest difference is I just can't justify the cost of the diesel for the 8-10 times I tow a camper each year. I would if if I could.

[Outback 325BH]

The biggest difference is I just can't justify the cost of the diesel for the 8-10 times I tow a camper each year. I would if if I could.



Same with me. A diesel is awesome for sure, but my truck is sans trailer 75% of the time.


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[1jeep]

gas engine should do fine if it is within its rating, might be a little slower on some hills.

[Lic0rice]

If the temptation of "new" can be resisted, skipping the first 2 model years is always is a wise choice. The first year always has issues and the second year is too soon for the fixes to be introduced. The third year and beyond usually has things sorted out.

x2 I always avoid products that have just been redesigned or new for this years model. Always takes a couple of years to work out the bugs.

[Cindy_N_Gary]

I had the same thoughts about waiting for the 2017's. But the incentives on the 2016's were just too good to pass up. I was looking at F350 XLTs but with the incentives was able to get a Lariat at almost the same price as the XLT. I attached a pic of it. This one should carry us into retirement and the 5er upgrade we'd like to make in a couple of years.

[jsmith948]

Same with me. A diesel is awesome for sure, but my truck is sans trailer 75% of the time.


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Don't you think 5 to 7 mph better mileage EMPTY is worth considering?

[Hansel]

My 2 cent's worth is wait till the 17's hit the lot's, then go out and get a really good deal on a 16. Go with a diesel if you ever want too sell it you will find it easier, and cost effective. Go with a F-350 you never know what might be in the future for a upgrade on a camper.

[Outback 325BH]

Don't you think 5 to 7 mph better mileage EMPTY is worth considering?



For $8k, no. Plus, I run my truck on a ton of short local trips when not pulling my camper.

Diesel guys just can't accept the fact that gassers make more sense in some situations.


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[sourdough]

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

Personally I would go for the 2016. I've bought many first year models and chances are 50/50 that you will get to find one of the glitches they overlooked during the design. Let them wait at least a couple of years to work out the bugs. There may be a few new bells and whistles but a '16 with bells and whistles is still a new truck with new bells and whistles;)

If you get the 6.2 get the 4.10. Lots of difference in towing between the two and the 4.10 should give you a higher tow rating. Gas usage won't be much different between them.

If you are "thinking" about a "smallish" 5th wheel just figure that you are going to wind up with a fair sized 5th wheel. That said, go with a 350 vs a 250 not much difference in price or ride but much better payload. As was mentioned in a previous post, if you garage your truck make sure it will fit.

You didn't bring up a diesel but it was mentioned in other posts. The initial 8-9k outlay is hard to justify if you don't tow all the time or tow heavy trailers. They tow large loads easier but get minimally better mileage towing or not vs a modern gas engine. My calculations tell me I would have to keep the truck (diesel) for at least 200k miles to "pay" for the diesel option. You will get about a $4k premium over a gas model on resale. All that said, I think anyone that wants to tow a trailer over 10k lbs needs a diesel. 10k and above just stresses a gas engine too much.

Bottom line I think is to visualize the largest, nicest trailer you think you may ever want (and yes, your wants will grow) and buy a truck that can safely and easily tow it. In this case I would go with a 350 as I mentioned, and, with a diesel because you want to move to a 5th wheel and I don't know of many, if any, of any size that have a GVW under 10k lbs.

Good luck with your decision and purchase.

[1jeep]

My buddy just bought a f350 6.2 with the lower gearing, tows a Montana and he is happy with it. most of his driving is short trips around town so he didn't want a diesel.

[JRTJH]

I have a small fifth wheel (Cougar XLite 27RKS) and towed it with a 2013 F250 6.2L (gas) truck with 3.73 gearing. Fuel mileage was about 14 solo and 8-9 towing. I've owned diesel trucks in the past and truthfully wasn't really impressed with the SuperDuty gas towing capability. I traded for a 2015 F250 6.7L (diesel) and I can tell you that the difference is towing is night and day. Mileage is 19-20 solo and 12-13 towing. Granted, there is a $8000 pricetag, but based on every 8 to 10 year old diesel with 100,000 to 150,000 miles, the resale (tradein) value is 6000 to 8000 above the trade in value of a comparable gas truck, so "in reality" it's not a "price increase" rather it's a "deposit" that you get back when you trade your truck.

I see a lot of gas superduty trucks towing "relatively small" fifth wheels, I did it too, and the difference in "noise/engine RPM/acceleration and performance between the two (gas/diesel) simply can't be compared. Of course, everyone has to weigh their options and their needs, but when it comes down to the decision of buying a 2016 (at a current 10,000 discount) and considering buying a 2017 (at full sticker price with no rebates) buying a truck that will "cost $8,000 more now and give you $8,000 more on trade" at the discount available, makes a 2016 diesel very difficult to turn down.

[Trent McCain]

We just purchased an new '16 F350 dually. Really didn't plan on going new, wanted a '11-'13 as we were "self financing" it and didn't want to take too long to replenish the account. Had a hard time finding anything decent. Had a '14 found that was a little more than we wanted to spend, but we were getting a newer truck with less miles and the balance of factory warranty. Our dealer tried unsuccessfully to obtain it from a Ford dealer in Denver. (dealer said we could have it, then sold it our from under my Ford dealer) We then decided to look for new. With the current rebates, we were in to a new one for $5,600 over the used '14. The '14 also did not have the factory hitch prep that I wanted, my dealer quoted $1,300 for that, so the cost to "upgrade" to new was around $4,300. I like the '17's, but not enough to justify the price at this time. The new dually will be a huge improvement over the '09 F350 SRW we traded, and should last us a long time as being 40 and still having full time jobs, my wife and I are weekend campers at best. Maybe with any luck this '16 will be like the '92-97 OBS Fords when it's time to sell, everyone will want it because it's the last year of the body style. Either way, we plan on enjoying it a long time.

[1jeep]

Congrats!

I went through the same wanted to find one a year or 2 old and the pricing was crazy on used, so for a few more $$$ I bought a brand new dually.

[Trent McCain]

This one isn't loaded quite as hard as the '14, but what options it's missing, werent options we wouldn't have probably ordered anyways (sunroof, heated rear seat, chrome pack) It's a nicely loaded Lariat 4x4 with Nav and the towing options we wanted. Plus it was close to home. The only used one other than the Denver truck our dealer found was in Georgia, and that would have been $1,000 to ship it to Kansas. So when the dust settled, it really didn't cost much. Plus as my wife pointed out, buying new, I have all the records, I pull the first trailer, I break it in, full warranty, etc. I think it will serve our needs just fine.

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[Desert185]

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

Well, its a tow vehicle, so I would get the 2016 diesel 350.

-End of year discounts offset the cost.
-Diesel 350 power and exhaust brake will cover future trailer upgrades.
-Longevity. The diesel will last longer than the gasser, so amortization will lower the costs.
-Better fuel mileage will also help.
-3.73 gears would be my choice over 4.10's for obvious reasons.
-Its primarily a simple, TV capability issue for me and the diesel will do what the gasser will do when not towing, but not necessarily vice versa. When the towing, the gasser will always be a compromise.

[1jeep]

only gear choices on a 2016 f350srw diesel are 3:31 or 3:55, unless you go dually then 3:73 or 4:30

the 3:55 with 20" wheels does fine towing and daily driving fuel economy, my previous f250 had them.

[Desert185]

only gear choices on a 2016 f350srw diesel are 3:31 or 3:55, unless you go dually then 3:73 or 4:30

the 3:55 with 20" wheels does fine towing and daily driving fuel economy, my previous f250 had them.

If that's the case, 3.55's would be my choice. I went from 265/75-16 to 285/75-16 on my TV and could feel the slight difference the resulting gear ratio change made. I would not want 3.31's with 20" tires (low profile or not) while towing a heavy trailer.

[1jeep]

pretty sure the tires ford uses on the 18" and 20" wheels gives it almost the same OD of just over 32". My previous f250 with 3:55 and 20" wheels never ran out of power towing my 15k lb trailer, it was just really lacking in the payload department.

[CaptnJohn]

pretty sure the tires ford uses on the 18" and 20" wheels gives it almost the same OD of just over 32". My previous f250 with 3:55 and 20" wheels never ran out of power towing my 15k lb trailer, it was just really lacking in the payload department.

My 2016 F250 with 18" wheels and 3.31 tows a 10,500# 5er just fine ~ My 2016 F350 has the 20" and does great on about 13,000# 5er. I would be just as happy with the 3.31 BUT in order to have the 11,500 GVWR the 3.55 (at $390) and the 20" tires/wheels (at $13??) list price was needed. Problem with the F250 is over payload with a 9800# dry 5er and hitch.
BTW ~ really like the Husky 5er tailgate over stock and will be adding a back up camera to it soon.

[CWSWine]

It is interesting that the 2017 F350 SRW has a GVWR of 11,400 and a 2016 F350 SRW has a GVWR of 11,500 for loss of 100 lbs. Weight savings of going to aluminum body was eaten up by frame and drive train upgrades ended up being about 300lbs so net gain in payload of about 200lbs. I was hoping that Ford would increase the GVWR like Ram(12,300lbs GVWR) did to increase the payload.

[1jeep]

maybe they fattened it up by adding more weight in the form of technology, cameras do weight something....I have been suffering with just one camera....lol

[RICamper]

Just purchased a 2016 Ford F350 Crew Cab 4x4 Platinum with 6.7L Diesel, 3:55, and 20" wheels. Dealer took 12K off sticker price without hesitation. I've had others over the years, but this is my first "real" truck. Will let the "aluminum" trucks settle out for a few years...

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[BlueThunder34]

I finally got to put my hands on and drive the 2017 and meh... lots of new gadgets and the frame is fully boxed which is nice but overall I wasn't all that impressed, at least not enough for the $75k sticker:(. I'm a die hard Ford fan boy but I just wasn't all that impressed, I walked away still content with my 2016 which is unusual for me as I always seem to want the new stuff that comes out. Maybe we are just reaching the point where all of these new heavy duty trucks are more than capable of adequately handling what the normal consumer will throw at them and all that is left now is bragging rights?

[JRTJH]

[QUOTE=BlueThunder34;211882]I finally got to put my hands on and drive the 2017 and meh... lots of new gadgets and the frame is fully boxed which is nice but overall I wasn't all that impressed, at least not enough for the $75k sticker:(. I'm a die hard Ford fan boy but I just wasn't all that impressed, I walked away still content with my 2016 which is unusual for me as I always seem to want the new stuff that comes out. Maybe we are just reaching the point where all of these new heavy duty trucks are more than capable of adequately handling what the normal consumer will throw at them and all that is left now is bragging rights?[QUOTE]

I think there's probably more truth than speculation in your statement about bragging rights !!! From my "first impressions", it looks more like they added "bells and whistles" and a beefier frame, otherwise, it's still got that "Ford look"... After 40 years of driving Ford's, I'm satisfied with my 2015 and probably won't look at the new models any more, I'm satisfied and so is my curiosity.

The October issue of Trailer Life has a very informative "first look article" on the new SuperDuty. In it, they "more or less" explained the "upgrades/new truck design" as necessary to keep "upping the ratings". They said that the current 2016, the 18th year since a major revision, had reached the maximum capacity and the current platform wouldn't support upping tow ratings/payload without adding more weight to the frame (which would deduct from payload, a catch-22), so to keep "upping the ratings to stay ahead of GM/RAM, they needed to redesign the platform. Speculation is that this platform will carry Ford through a number of model years and "one-upping the best in class" claims. They also made a statement I hadn't seen before about the aluminum bed. Trailer Life says that it's thicker aluminum than the F150 bed and more "dent proof"... I wonder if that's a result of GM's toolbox ad ???

Take a look at the article if you get a chance, it's interesting.

[BlueThunder34]

I'll have to give that article a read. Too bad they don't put useful Gadgets in the trucks now, like how about a weight sensor for the bed or hitch that could feed to the driver info and tell you if you are exceeding weight ratings? Too much liability I guess, however I would rather more useful tools vs 7 cameras, back up assist and adaptive cruise control, etc. you things we used to do when we opened our eyes and drove our trucks:D. I know I'm being cynical.

[JRTJH]

That's not being cynical.... Like you, I'm of the generation that actually learned to drive a manual transmission and stuck my arm out the window to signal a turn. Today's trucks with a "back up knob" on the dash to "assist in backing a trailer???? What's wrong with turning around, looking out the back window and actually knowing how to "back up a trailer" ??? Some "new technology" is helpful, but much of it seems to be more "dumbing down" than "help for the driver"... Maybe it's aimed at increasing sales to people who don't know "squat" about towing???

My dad, way more years ago than I care to remember, told me that if I could keep the tractor between the rows (without tearing up the bean field) that he'd let me drive his pickup. Three speed, on the column, starter button on the floor under the accelerator, no key, just turn the ignition switch on, and... forget a heater, air conditioner, power anything, one tail light and, as I said, "stick your arm out the window to signal a turn while downshifting after double-clutching, into second gear while "in the turn" and accelerating out of the turn while upshifting to high gear again (all while rolling up the window to keep the rain out of the cab).....

Those days are long gone and now, radar tells us if anyone is in the left lane (so we don't even have to look at the side mirror any more) while the "adaptive cruise control" slows the truck while we're "texting our order" to the service department at the Ford dealership, or maybe it keeps us from "rear-ending the car in front of us" while we're trying to figure out the "in-dash instructions for the trailer back assist device ..... :confused:

[ctbruce]

This is great. I read the article in Trailer Life and have to admit. It caused some truck envy in me. I'm a Chevy guy (and don't drag this down into the mud of a Chevy vs. Ford vs. Ram argument ) and looking to buy a new 3500 in the spring but dang, those numbers on the Ford, impressive! Thanks for bringing me back from coveting my neighbors Ford and realizing that I don't know how to use all of my current bells and whistles let alone multiple cameras! But really, these numbers are insane. At least no one would have to worry if they had enough truck any more.

Chip Bruce, RPh
Kansas City, MO
2016 Fuzion Impact 312
2015 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ
WELL....THAT WAS FUN!

[old timer]

I have adaptive cruise in my 12 Taurus SHO and it's dangerous. I wish I could get rid of it. As for something to tell you how much weight is in the bed not sure if that would even make any difference to some people from what I have seen. I love my truck it handles my trailer just fine. Plenty of power however I would like more. (doesn't everybody) LOL As for gadgets wish they made the ones in the truck work better before they add new ones. Another thing is updates to Sync. Why does the motor have to be running just to install the software and why does it take so long?
As for adding weight capacity. The only thing they can do is make the differential bigger with larger axles. They do have them in the 450 550 truck size. However the drive line would have to change for the heavier loads. Not sure the transmission in the 250/350 are the same as the big brothers.

[larry337]

A fully loaded Platinum Edition stickers for EIGHTY TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS! How bout they keep the adaptive cruise control and offer adaptive pricing instead, I'll tell em my budget and they can adapt accordingly!!!!! HAHAHAHA! [emoji1]

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[chuckster57]

And I just keep on keepin on in my mechanical turbo'd IDI. Biggest upgrade: removed the AM/FM cassette for a CD player.

[Timon]

Yes, the Ford does have some nice toys but they are missing some basics such as no optional factory air springs to keep the ride level. I think I'm still going with the Ram 3500 mega cab but I do wish it had the longer 6' 9" SB of the Ford. I can also put cameras on the 5er for a lot less that the Ford factory camera system and it's one that I can leave on rather than the Fords turning off one you're going forward.

[mtofell]

I've been casually shopping and am in a somewhat similar position to the OP. While the gadgets on the 2017 are nice, the price on the 2016 (especially as the year comes to a close) are nicer, IMO.

I'm currently in a 2014 Ram and am still in amazement with all the technology. I have to say with all of the bells and whistles a lot of the stuff is nice but not totally necessary. The features I find the most useful are the backup camera and rear sensors. I feel that is a real safety item and makes backing out of parking spots with a full size truck A LOT easier.

I well may just plug along with my current truck unless I get a wild hair and find myself bored, and in a dealership the week after Christmas trying to steal an "under powered" 2016 :) :)

[byrdr1]

That's not being cynical.... Like you, I'm of the generation that actually learned to drive a manual transmission and stuck my arm out the window to signal a turn. Today's trucks with a "back up knob" on the dash to "assist in backing a trailer???? What's wrong with turning around, looking out the back window and actually knowing how to "back up a trailer" ??? Some "new technology" is helpful, but much of it seems to be more "dumbing down" than "help for the driver"... Maybe it's aimed at increasing sales to people who don't know "squat" about towing???
My dad, way more years ago than I care to remember, told me that if I could keep the tractor between the rows (without tearing up the bean field) that he'd let me drive his pickup. Three speed, on the column, starter button on the floor under the accelerator, no key, just turn the ignition switch on, and... forget a heater, air conditioner, power anything, one tail light and, as I said, "stick your arm out the window to signal a turn while downshifting after double-clutching, into second gear while "in the turn" and accelerating out of the turn while upshifting to high gear again (all while rolling up the window to keep the rain out of the cab).....
Those days are long gone and now, radar tells us if anyone is in the left lane (so we don't even have to look at the side mirror anymore) while the "adaptive cruise control" slows the truck while we're "texting our order" to the service department at the Ford dealership, or maybe it keeps us from "rear-ending the car in front of us" while we're trying to figure out the "in-dash instructions for the trailer back assist device ..... :confused:
I too learned to drive a 3-speed stick at age 14, NO AC and then learned to drive a 3 on the tree. Never drove a tractor until I was an adult but I want one(small Kabota) now so bad to play around with on my 1-acre piece of land :).
BUT after this summer's trips out to mid west and back twice towing the 5er. I have learned that my ole' 2003 7.3PSD is not that bad plus its paid for.
I spent the better part of over $2K getting it ready for these trips and it has proven to be well-spent money. ALL Amsoil fluids in everything that takes fluids. MY truck now is fully synthetic.
BUT I do still look at every new Ford truck that passes me by or as I pass the dealerships. And I am jealous at the folks who have been able to upgrade.. Just me ..
HAHAHA
randy

[BlueThunder34]

I too learned to drive a 3-speed stick at age 14, NO AC and then learned to drive a 3 on the tree. Never drove a tractor until I was an adult but I want one(small Kabota) now so bad to play around with on my 1-acre piece of land :).
BUT after this summer's trips out to mid west and back twice towing the 5er. I have learned that my ole' 2003 7.3PSD is not that bad plus its paid for.
I spent the better part of over $2K getting it ready for these trips and it has proven to be well-spent money. ALL Amsoil fluids in everything that takes fluids. MY truck now is fully synthetic.
BUT I do still look at every new Ford truck that passes me by or as I pass the dealerships. And I am jealous at the folks who have been able to upgrade.. Just me ..
HAHAHA
randy

I'm jealous yours is paid for!!:D I can't wait for that day to come for me, no truck pmt will be glorious "bouncey:

[Lundy]

I recently ordered a 2016, the tipping point for me was the cab sharing they are using now. I have driven an f150 for the past 15 years, I didn't want to sit in that same cab again. I had the chance to sit in a SD 2016 and then immediately go sit in the 150 and said "NO Way". I know they say the numbers are similar, but it sure didn't feel that way. Plus I just didn't like the front end of the 17, it looks like Ram and Chevy had a baby. FWIW.

[malabarbob]

I checked with Ford dealer today. The 2017's are coming the end of November and they have no idea what rebates, if any. Right now, its $10,000 off on a 2016.
We just bought a 2016 Laredo but I really want the 4-camera system on the 2017 or on a 2016 Platinum. Dealer is shopping around to find a Platinum. I'm taking the $10,000 discount.

[CWSWine]

Here is a yellow payload sticker off a 2017 Platinum Edition diesel crew cab.

[1jeep]

is that a 350srw? if so I really don't see where they gained much, if anything.

[mfifield01]

I checked with Ford dealer today. The 2017's are coming the end of November and they have no idea what rebates, if any. Right now, its $10,000 off on a 2016.
We just bought a 2016 Laredo but I really want the 4-camera system on the 2017 or on a 2016 Platinum. Dealer is shopping around to find a Platinum. I'm taking the $10,000 discount.
I saw some of 17's at a dealer while driving by over the weekend. I also saw a 17 DRW yesterday driving down the road.

[CWSWine]

is that a 350srw? if so I really don't see where they gained much, if anything.

yep a SRW F350 -- but now it's like 20,000 towing capacity under the new standards. Now that salesman say Heck yes you can tow that 19,000 lbs 42 foot toyhauler with SRW F350. No Problem LOL

[1jeep]

im curious what the new 350drw are, mine is rated for just over 26k lbs towing.

[notanlines]

Just wait until y'all see the goofy looking decals that Ford is putting on the hood of the diesels. It'll make you want to stick your finger down your throat.

[1jeep]

yeah im good on the 2017, ill suffer with my 2016. I did just finally look at fords website and see the 350drw tow rating is now where the 450 used to be but the gvwr is still the same so on paper really no big gain.

I have more than enough truck and cant imagine towing a 5th wheel that is tipping the 20k mark.