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Chillaxin' III
06-11-2016, 04:21 AM
Hey guys,

I'm relatively new to this forum; but like all forums I join--I try to jump right in and get involved!

I've been researching other people's threads about adding / replacing / modifying their factory speakers, and I wanted to start an all-inclusive speaker thread all by itself...without the need to "search" and read dozens of pages to get to some sort of speaker-related discussion.

So here goes:

I have a 2015 Keystone Bullet 310BHS. It came equipped with some really LOUSY speakers. A brand called "Pummel Drive". (?) They suck, they have tiny little magnets, and they're certainly not "pummeling" anything (especially not with BASS). So I replaced the two interior speakers today.

THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR SPEAKERS ARE IN FACT 5.25". The interiors (with the twist-off white grilles) have a FRAME that is CLOSE to a 6.5", but not quite. They are a larger frame with a smaller 5.25" speaker housed in them.

I replaced my interior speakers with a pair of Boston Acoustics SE65 6.5" coaxial (2-way) speakers. They feature poly cones and a rubber surround, and a textile (not Mylar, titanium or aluminum) dome tweeter, for softer highs without being tinny or harsh. Since Boston recently stopped producing car audio components; I got them for half price ($65 vs. $120).

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_204147_0_e4ae1ed2e5b8e89437d33dbf15a6a6e7.jpg

ON MY CAMPER, I HAD 3" OF ROOM BEHIND THE CEILING FOR "MOUNTING DEPTH"--WHICH IS A LOT. YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE MORE IF YOU COMPRESS THE FIBERGLASS INSULATION SLIGHTLY.

I had to enlarge the stock openings by about 5/16" and I did this with a cordless jig saw with a shortened (cut-off) blade tip to minimize the chances of contacting any other wiring, fiberglass insulation or roof structure while cutting. The ceiling panels in these campers are made from a light weight Luaun plywood, and cut very easily. I used a fine-toothed saw blade made for thin metal; so it wasn't too aggressive. In fact, the new cut line (circle) that I drew intersected all 8 original screw mounting holes--so the old mounting holes were all cut out when I enlarged the opening.

I drilled 4 new pilot holes and voila! They look amazing, sound phenomenal, and are actually lower-profile (grilles) than the stock speakers, to ensure clearance (1") under the slide-out room's wooden trim frame. The bass will improve in a few days, after the voice coils and rubber surrounds are broken-in; as with all high-end speaker drivers.

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_204147_1_157ca2831dbb949b1fd00624571c1ad6.jpg

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_204147_2_d6e2a34d256820eb28cdd6aa7ca1f42a.jpg


The exteriors are 5.25" with a standard frame and grille size. I will be replacing the two exterior speakers with higher quality marine speakers this week.

THIS IS A VERY EASY MODIFICATION, GUYS!

Please help me add to this thread with your replacement speakers specs, installation details, pictures, etc. Thanks guys!

--Rob

Tbos
06-11-2016, 07:28 AM
Looks nice. Thanks for the details.

bitten
06-11-2016, 10:17 AM
Following your topic

tgoodwin321
06-11-2016, 04:16 PM
Following this too. Thanks for the info. The last thing the DW would want me to throw more $$ at but always looking for ideas.

Camping Buddys
06-11-2016, 06:20 PM
Nice job on the speakers.

Dave W
06-12-2016, 03:37 AM
Nice set of speakers. Too bad that you couldn't have replaced that very light wiring. I did something similar on our last 5er but with using a decent SONY home theater system in-a-box but always thought that it was limited by that wiring. A few years later, my hearing and $$ hearing aids don't make that mod a worthwhile investment:(

MissJordan
06-22-2016, 06:21 PM
Following as well, our speakers suck As well!


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Lariatbob
12-02-2016, 11:48 AM
Along the same lines- Does anyone have suggestions to replace the terrible Jensen cd/dvd/tuner system?

srvnt
12-08-2016, 10:25 PM
Anything is better than the cheezy stockers.

rdhouston
10-15-2019, 08:48 AM
Old thread, I know but I feel a bit sad for the lack of response the OP got.

The stock a/v is pretty, however the thing is really pricey. I only use it for Bluetooth interface with the outdoor speakers now.

I installed a Sony DVD player, not an expensive one in the slot next to where the original radio is.

Then we started watching movies and when the AC would kick on you couldn't hear a thing.

So I bought a Vizio sound bar / subwoofer (model 3821) combo and installed that in front of the TV. Puts out great sound, rocks the trailer, we can hear movies, and I'm probably aggravating the campground neighbors.

Now I want to go back to the original speakers in the interior, and replace those adding two additional to the to the B Channel so maybe we can get a pseudo surround sound out of it inside. It would really just be for music. Matter of fact I might just run it towards the front into the bedroom.
Next will be replacing the outdoor speakers as those are terrible, too.
Stay tuned

RVGator
10-27-2019, 03:30 PM
I took off the stock outdoor speakers which did not sound good at all and replaced them with 6.5” kicker marine speakers. Found a pair of surface mounts on amazon so I didn’t have to drill any holes and boom. Done. Up next are to replace the interior ceiling mounted ones that are 5” I believe.

Yakburger
11-06-2019, 10:58 PM
I replaced the stock (crap) speakers with a pair of Polk speakers and they certainly made a huge difference. I plan to replace the thin wires with real speaker wire when I upgrade the Furrion stereo and the Pummel Drive TV this winter. I plan to put in a good quality CD/Stereo to replace the Furrion (no DVD). For movies I will replace the PD TV with a good Samsung and use my Blu Ray player for movies using the TV speakers. They're not too bad (much better than the ones on the stock TV). I did this in my Jayco and it worked great. (The Polk speakers also were in the Jayco).

oldognewtrick
11-12-2019, 06:30 PM
I just replaced the ceiling speakers with some JBL's. I had a pair of BOSE cube speakers I put under the tv shelf and tied them into th "B" button on the system. What an improvement it made. Next up is replacing the outdoor speakers.

ajk170
01-04-2020, 04:08 PM
I too replaced the living room speakers and the outdoor speakers with something a little better and we added a soundbar when we upgraded the TV to a slightly larger LG. I found that I had to enlarge my living room holes by .25" house the new speakers. The outside speakers were these



And the Inside speakers were these:
[URL="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BF6HWCM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1" ("https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MCGEYM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1"[/URL)

foldbak
01-04-2020, 05:35 PM
Yamaha sound bar. We dont even use the ceiling speakers. Sounds amazing!



https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YAS-108-Built-Subwoofers-Bluetooth/dp/B07D73HMVR/ref=asc_df_B07D73HMVR/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312115315632&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1956065700618633662&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032484&hvtargid=pla-556278162397&psc=1


Sonos 5 for outside.



https://www.amazon.com/Sonos-Play-Ultimate-Wireless-Streaming/dp/B014LFINIA/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2Y13H7U2A9RPX&keywords=sonos+5&qid=1578188161&s=electronics&sprefix=Sonos+5%2Celectronics%2C204&sr=1-2

Bill-2020
01-28-2020, 06:32 PM
Yamaha sound bar. We dont even use the ceiling speakers. Sounds amazing!



https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YAS-108-Built-Subwoofers-Bluetooth/dp/B07D73HMVR/ref=asc_df_B07D73HMVR/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312115315632&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1956065700618633662&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032484&hvtargid=pla-556278162397&psc=1


Sonos 5 for outside.


https://www.amazon.com/Sonos-Play-Ultimate-Wireless-Streaming/dp/B014LFINIA/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2Y13H7U2A9RPX&keywords=sonos+5&qid=1578188161&s=electronics&sprefix=Sonos+5%2Celectronics%2C204&sr=1-2

Let me get this right--- you used to us the ceiling speakers for the TV audio? If so, how? A setting on your headunit?

JRTJH
01-28-2020, 07:46 PM
Let me get this right--- you used to us the ceiling speakers for the TV audio? If so, how? A setting on your headunit?

Use an RCA patch cable (usually red and white) connect the audio out on the TV to the AUX in on the back of the stereo. Then select AUX on the stereo function and adjust the volume. If you have 4 ceiling speakers, L/R will adjust left and right balance and FADE will adjust front/rear volume/balance.

If your TV doesn't have audio out connections, you can make/buy a "modified RCA patch cable with a "headphone jack" on one end and just plug the headphone jack into the TV headphone plug and the other end into the stereo AUX in plugs.

Bill-2020
01-29-2020, 04:29 PM
Ah, ok. I understand. Thanks.

Nitram987
02-13-2020, 04:19 PM
Sorry. I haven't read the entirety of this thread but today when I checked the factory wiring of my Furrion powered Pummell speakers, and they were definitely wired out of phase (i'm an electrical engineer with an ohmmeter in hand). My advice -- check yours.

Hey Louie
02-17-2020, 10:42 AM
My question would be if I keep the Furion head unit and just replace the outdoor speakers will I be able to hear a noticeable difference or do I need to replace both?

flybouy
02-17-2020, 11:57 AM
My question would be if I keep the Furion head unit and just replace the outdoor speakers will I be able to hear a noticeable difference or do I need to replace both?

Replacing the speakers should make a difference. Since it's a subjective change (unless you go thru a LOT of testing with some expensive test equipment) the average person should hear a an increase in bass response as that is the weakest sound in an "inexpensive" speaker.

Replacing both with a "higher quality" level of equipment would make an even "larger" improvement.

Captainf2
02-17-2020, 12:44 PM
Let me know your choice for outdoor, never had any luck with the factory ones

Bill-2020
02-17-2020, 01:35 PM
What?! Wired out of phase?! No way, not a chance. (Ahem, can you hear the sarcasm in that?!) I love my Keystone, but something that simple is just sloppy and lazy workmanship. I’ve been in the electronics manufacturing industry for 30 years and that’s nearly as simple as it can get, wiring a speaker. But then again... so was cutting the ABS drain pipe correctly from the sink to the gray tank, a simple thing, and that got screwed up and leaked all over. I’ll go
Check those wires now.

Hey Louie
03-02-2020, 07:08 PM
After searching for a while I ordered these today.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P0PF8C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Looks like these are an older model that have been replaced by DB522's. Limited my selection to diameter as I did not want to cut into the sidewall. Also ordered some 1 inch spacers as these are a little too deep. Weather permitting I'll get them installed this weekend and give an update.

Bill-2020
03-03-2020, 05:00 AM
I found a pair of Kenwood two-ways on Crutchfield a week or so ago. Upon removal of the old ones from the ceiling, I found one of the two speakers wired out of phase. And the original white grills also fit over the new speaker frames so I didn’t have to paint the new grills white to match. New speakers sound better. As good as $45 speakers would, mind you.

Hey Louie
03-08-2020, 04:30 PM
25491

Installed theses this weekend. Polk Audio DB521's. Definite improvement over the factory speakers.