The search is on!

[BirchyBoy]

We went to the RV show this weekend and found 2 or 3 different travel trailers that we really like. All are much bigger than our Passport, so our Grand Cherokee won't cut it. Like many, I wish I had made a different decision a year ago when we bought it, but times and priorities change.

We really liked a Winnebago 27RBDS and Kodiak 291RESL. Both are close to 6,500lbs dry. The Winnebago tops out at 7,700 and the Kodiak at 8,900. It is surprising how much cargo the Kodiak can carry.

We drove 3 trucks today. The first was a 2013 Ford F150 Ecoboost. It had the power, but the cargo capacity was only 1,300, which is barely more than our Grand Cherokee. It was a "Limited" edition and had lots of unnecessary stuff. The salesman said that he could likely find us a '15 with Ecoboost and Max Tow that met our needs for 5k more than used.

The second truck was a 2014 Chevy Silverado 1500 with the 6.2L engine. I didn't even know that Chevy had access to the 6.2 for 1/2 tons! It had a cargo capacity of 1,700, which is much better and would be sufficient for what we're doing for the next 5 years.

The last truck was a '11 GMC 2500HD Denali with Duramax. It had a cargo capacity of 2,700lbs which is good for most any travel trailer but not for a fifth wheel we had our eyes on at the show. It also had 108k miles on it, which is a lot to me. Lots of people say it's just broken in, but there are many, many things that still wear out even though the engine and transmission probably won't for a long time.

I'm headed to look at a couple F250's tomorrow, both gas and diesel. They are 2012/2013 with under 40k on them and a little bit less than the Denali which was 40k.

Once we've drive all of them, we'll sit down and decide where we want to be with regard to campers over the next 5 years. If there's any chance we'll get a fifth wheel, we'll focus on a diesel most likely and probably a 1 ton. That said, I don't spend a lot of time in the mountains, so a gasser should be sufficient for 80% of our towing, which is in actuality less than 10% of our total mileage.

My wife really likes the looks of the GMC's the most and the Ford's the least. Since we're a one-car household, and I work at home, she does 90% of the driving around town and her liking the appearance is very important :( She did say that the Denali 2500 didn't feel any bigger than either of the 1/2 tons we drove which is pretty great from my point of view.

[JRTJH]

Good Luck on your search for a new, bigger tow vehicle. It's always fun, even though it's usually frustrating as well !!!

One thing to keep in mind about the F150 EcoBoost, there are two packages that upgrade your towing. First is the "max tow" package that increases towing capability to somewhere around 11,000 pounds. That's a package you should consider, but, in my opinion, an even more important package, especially if you're considering a travel trailer in the "above 7,500 pound" range, is the "max payload" package. That will increase your total payload to somewhere around 2200 pounds, give you LT tires, heavier wheels and the factory brake controller is a part of that package. It incorporates trailer sway and helps handling/towing.

As for the Denali/1500 "seeming to be the same size, it's because they are. The GM products use the same cab, front clip and bed, only the "underpinnings" are different. On the Ford, the SuperDuty is a different body, wider, but ironically, the interior crewcab space is smaller than the F150... Who'a thunk ???

[CoreyC]

As for the Denali/1500 "seeming to be the same size, it's because they are. The GM products use the same cab, front clip and bed, only the "underpinnings" are different. On the Ford, the SuperDuty is a different body, wider, but ironically, the interior crewcab space is smaller than the F150... Who'a thunk ???

It's my understanding that the 2017 aluminum Super Duty will share the same cab as the F-150.

[BirchyBoy]

Good Luck on your search for a new, bigger tow vehicle. It's always fun, even though it's usually frustrating as well !!!

One thing to keep in mind about the F150 EcoBoost, there are two packages that upgrade your towing. First is the "max tow" package that increases towing capability to somewhere around 11,000 pounds. That's a package you should consider, but, in my opinion, an even more important package, especially if you're considering a travel trailer in the "above 7,500 pound" range, is the "max payload" package. That will increase your total payload to somewhere around 2200 pounds, give you LT tires, heavier wheels and the factory brake controller is a part of that package. It incorporates trailer sway and helps handling/towing.

As for the Denali/1500 "seeming to be the same size, it's because they are. The GM products use the same cab, front clip and bed, only the "underpinnings" are different. On the Ford, the SuperDuty is a different body, wider, but ironically, the interior crewcab space is smaller than the F150... Who'a thunk ???

The max tow is on my radar, but wasn't aware of the max payload option. The dealer only had a couple with the max tow and they were both Platinum models at $55k. There's no way I'm spending that much on a new truck. It might be difficult to find a truck with both of those that are used.

I didn't realize the GM's were the same bodies. Thanks for telling me.

[JRTJH]

It's my understanding that the 2017 aluminum Super Duty will share the same cab as the F-150.

According to info that's been released by Ford, the cab will be the same as the F150 (finally the SuperDuty will have a Super Crew Cab) but the front clip and the bed will be "SuperDuty exclusive" (Ford's words, not mine) LOL

[JRTJH]

The max tow is on my radar, but wasn't aware of the max payload option. The dealer only had a couple with the max tow and they were both Platinum models at $55k. There's no way I'm spending that much on a new truck. It might be difficult to find a truck with both of those that are used.

I didn't realize the GM's were the same bodies. Thanks for telling me.

Yup, they are two different "packages", one focused in increasing towing and one that "ups" the carrying capability. Few dealerships stock the "max payload" since there is such a small buyer segment that wants those features. I totally agree with you on the "luxury features" on the Platinum. It's "opulent" at a cost, both in dollars to buy and in payload reduction (all of that extra stuff adds to the truck's empty weight). Everyone has their own ideas of what "level of luxury" they want, but the XLT or Lariat are both very comfortable trucks with most of the features anyone would want for towing on long trips. The most noticeable difference between them is "cloth" for the XLT and "leather" for the Lariat. Otherwise, it's "bells and whistles" in the different electronics.

I know you're not looking at SuperDuty trucks, but as a comparison, you can find diesel F250 XLT's and Lariat's in the $55K range !!!!

[SLIMSHADIE]

Birchyboy, not stepping on any toes here. But I borrowed my buddies newer F150 Ecoboost with the max tow package when I blew out my driveshaft on my truck just before a labor day weekend trip. Anyways my camper is roughly 8500 loaded. The numbers were all there, but that windy weekend was a nightmare. When a semi passed by it would throw me 4-5' left or right, driving 5-10 less than the speed limit. Maybe I'm just used to driving my Dodge 3500 pulling it like its not even back there, dont need a 1 ton to pull a travel trailer, but wasnt happy with the F150. If that was my F150, I would of traded it in when I got back home.

[JRTJH]

Birchyboy, not stepping on any toes here. But I borrowed my buddies newer F150 Ecoboost with the max tow package when I blew out my driveshaft on my truck just before a labor day weekend trip. Anyways my camper is roughly 8500 loaded. The numbers were all there, but that windy weekend was a nightmare. When a semi passed by it would throw me 4-5' left or right, driving 5-10 less than the speed limit. Maybe I'm just used to driving my Dodge 3500 pulling it like its not even back there, dont need a 1 ton to pull a travel trailer, but wasnt happy with the F150. If that was my F150, I would of traded it in when I got back home.

You make a great point and yours is a perfect example of "you don't know what you don't know"...Many people who tow have only used one vehicle, so they have no way to compare towing characteristics. To them, the way their F150 tows is "just fine" and they are satisfied with the amount of sway, braking distance and gas mileage. It's only after they experience another tow vehicle that they realize a significant difference in towing. That's when "the light comes on" (so to speak). It happened to you, it happened to me, and will "eventually" happen to others. It usually takes "the experience" of towing with a larger, more powerful vehicle for most people to realize how "under-rated" their "on the verge of being overloaded" vehicle really is.

What's the "old saying" ?? If only I'd have know this earlier........

[slow]

Take a close look at the yellow sticker on the Winnebago 27RBDS for cargo capacity. The 2016 I googled surprised me as only being 833 lbs. I suspect low capacity axles and/or C rated tires since recommended pressure is 50 psi.

If you scroll through these images you will find the capacity sticker:
http://www.daybrosrvsales.com/New-Inventory-2016-Winnebago-Travel-Trailer-Ultralite-27RBDS-London-Kentucky-906276

[BirchyBoy]

Birchyboy, not stepping on any toes here. But I borrowed my buddies newer F150 Ecoboost with the max tow package when I blew out my driveshaft on my truck just before a labor day weekend trip. Anyways my camper is roughly 8500 loaded. The numbers were all there, but that windy weekend was a nightmare. When a semi passed by it would throw me 4-5' left or right, driving 5-10 less than the speed limit. Maybe I'm just used to driving my Dodge 3500 pulling it like its not even back there, dont need a 1 ton to pull a travel trailer, but wasnt happy with the F150. If that was my F150, I would of traded it in when I got back home.

Thanks for the feedback on the F150.

Good point on the wind effect. I have towed my trailer (27ish with tongue) with my Yukon and my Grand Cherokee without any issue. I was talking with the Winnebago rep and my wife about towing a longer camper and how it would be subject to more wind push. That alone may be enough of a reason for us to go with a 3/4 ton truck.

[BirchyBoy]

I know you're not looking at SuperDuty trucks, but as a comparison, you can find diesel F250 XLT's and Lariat's in the $55K range !!!!

Sorry, that $55k was tongue-in-cheek. I wouldn't pay $55k for any car or truck at this point in my life. $40k is the high end, and I'm finding several F250's that a few years old in my range.

[Javi]

Sorry, that $55k was tongue-in-cheek. I wouldn't pay $55k for any car or truck at this point in my life. $40k is the high end, and I'm finding several F250's that a few years old in my range.
As a note : I paid $38k out the door for the '15 dually in my signature. If you don't have to have butt warmers, big screen info centers and fancy wheels you don't have to spend $60k+

[BirchyBoy]

As a note : I paid $38k out the door for the '15 dually in my signature. If you don't have to have butt warmers, big screen info centers and fancy wheels you don't have to spend $60k+

Good point Javi. As said above, all of the bells and whistle add cost as well as weight. My wife has said that she likes all of the stuff but also knows that most of it is just fluff. As long as the truck is comfortable for 3-4 hour stretches of time, we'll be happy.

[JRTJH]

I just did a "build your own" on the Ford website for an XLT, 4x4, 3.73 axle ratio truck. The F150 EcoBoost was 43,750 (sticker) and the F250 6.2l was 43,655. So, basically, at least when it comes to "sticker price" the F150 and a comparable F250 are pretty much the same price.

Now, the question, as you say, is: "How much fluff" do you want/need" ???

[Javi]

Good point Javi. As said above, all of the bells and whistle add cost as well as weight. My wife has said that she likes all of the stuff but also knows that most of it is just fluff. As long as the truck is comfortable for 3-4 hour stretches of time, we'll be happy.
Well, besides the usual PS,PB, & A/C, I have power windows, power door locks, power and heated mirrors, tilt steering, plus CD & Sync with steering wheel controls. Not sure what else a person would need in a truck.

And after some searching I found one with vinyl seats and floor mats, sounds odd to some folks but I often get very dirty at work and play so leather or cloth is not a plus for me.

[michael_h]

I don't get blown around like that with my 150

[B-O-B'03]

... The dealer only had a couple with the max tow and they were both Platinum models at $55k. There's no way I'm spending that much on a new truck. It might be difficult to find a truck with both of those that are used...

Just because they list for 55K, does not mean that is what they sell for.

The sticker on our 2013 Platinum was 52K, we got it for 37.9 + TT&L.

It is an awesome truck, feature wise and the wife's daily driver (she loves it).

We knew we were going to be getting a small trailer, ended up with a 22RBPR, so the F150 worked out perfect for us.

-Brian

[bsmith0404]

Just a couple thoughts, yes 100k miles sounds like a lot and yes parts wear out, but I'm sitting at 135k on my duramax and have only replaced 1 NoX sensor and 1 EGT sensor. Other than that, it's like a new truck, steering suspension, accessories, everything working like the day I bought it (I did change the shocks). Personally, I wouldn't pay $40k for a Denali, I'd look for an SLT or Chevy LTZ. If you don't care about leather, look for an SLE or LT. You should be able to get under 50k miles on a duramax in the $40k range and you still have warranty up to 100k miles. Denali's are very nice, but you pay for that.

As for the blowing effect. I've towed many different trailers with my dually, the worst was a 19' TT. It was just too light and passing trucks would blow it all over. I felt it badly even with a dually. I found the best towing trailers were anything above 27' and 8,000 lbs. Yes you have more surface area to be affected by winds, but the extra weight helps keep them settled. My 40' 15k lb 5er has very little movement in wind. When I was transporting, I stayed away from the small trailers. I just didn't like the feeling of them being blown around when I was driving 11 hours a day, every day. In the TT class, the ones with the new aerodynamic front tow like a dream, much better handling and better mileage than the shoe box looking trailers. 5ers, I haven't found one that doesn't tow great. That's just my personal opinion after towing about everything you can think of for over 40k miles last year.

[RGene7001]

[QUOTE=bsmith0404;191664]

As for the blowing effect. I've towed many different trailers with my dually, the worst was a 19' TT. It was just too light and passing trucks would blow it all over. I felt it badly even with a dually. I found the best towing trailers were anything above 27' and 8,000 lbs.

This confirms my long intuitive aversion to small single axle trailers. Always see them swaying around the road and the worst was a popup behind old model Explorer...

[BirchyBoy]

I'm leaning towards an F250 or F350 with the 6.2L gas engine. I have found one that has the CNG kit installed and is dual-fuel. Does anyone here have experience with this system? It isn't something that I was looking for and it does add a premium to the vehicle price.

[JRTJH]

It's my understanding that the "factory Ford option" for CNG/Propane is composed of different valves/valve seats and a "dual fuel intake manifold" (ie: engine changes) and that the actual CNG/Propane tank, fuel lines, regulator, etc are NOT included. Cost is listed on the Ford website as $315.

If the vehicle you're looking at has been "converted by the dealer" to actually operate on CNG/Propane, then he has added the "missing components" at a "substantial cost". Don't forget that there are very few places to refuel with CNG and propane is not yet "taxed for highway use" in many areas (making it difficult to find for "legal use").

Don't forget that with an F250, payload is a factor for potential fifth wheel use and any added weight from the CNG/Propane system will come at a cost in vehicle potential use as a tow vehicle as the payload will be substantially less than a "flex fuel" (unleaded/E-85) fueled vehicle.

Also, I believe the towing limitations are significantly reduced on the CNG/Propane fueled vehicles when they are being operated on CNG/Propane, so you may not be able to actually tow when using that fuel system.

I'd do a heck of a lot of research before buying an alternative fuel vehicle as a primary tow vehicle !!!!!

ADDED" Here's an article you might find interesting: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/06/cng-test-drive-ford-f-250-sd-bi-fuel.html

[BirchyBoy]

It's my understanding that the "factory Ford option" for CNG/Propane is composed of different valves/valve seats and a "dual fuel intake manifold" (ie: engine changes) and that the actual CNG/Propane tank, fuel lines, regulator, etc are NOT included. Cost is listed on the Ford website as $315.

If the vehicle you're looking at has been "converted by the dealer" to actually operate on CNG/Propane, then he has added the "missing components" at a "substantial cost". Don't forget that there are very few places to refuel with CNG and propane is not yet "taxed for highway use" in many areas (making it difficult to find for "legal use").

Don't forget that with an F250, payload is a factor for potential fifth wheel use and any added weight from the CNG/Propane system will come at a cost in vehicle potential use as a tow vehicle as the payload will be substantially less than a "flex fuel" (unleaded/E-85) fueled vehicle.

Also, I believe the towing limitations are significantly reduced on the CNG/Propane fueled vehicles when they are being operated on CNG/Propane, so you may not be able to actually tow when using that fuel system.

I'd do a heck of a lot of research before buying an alternative fuel vehicle as a primary tow vehicle !!!!!

Thanks for the info. I found out that the particular dealer I was looking at only sells "branded title" vehicles. Theft recoveries, insurance payouts, etc. Not going to even look at it.

[Tbos]

Good luck on your hunt for a new TT and TV. We upgraded to a 2810BH. The difference in space is amazing. Still tow with a half ton but wish I had a 3/4 or 1.

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[bsmith0404]

I'm leaning towards an F250 or F350 with the 6.2L gas engine. I have found one that has the CNG kit installed and is dual-fuel. Does anyone here have experience with this system? It isn't something that I was looking for and it does add a premium to the vehicle price.

I am now working at a dealership that sells Fords, the Ford salesmen are telling me that people who are buying the 6.2 are very upset with their mileage while towing, 7 mpg. The dealership only has one 6.2 on the lot and an entire row of 6.7s. I don't have any knowledge or experience of the CNG kit.

[HDCVO]

Keep in mind, that TORQUE is where towing power comes from. A 6.2L gas has 405 Lb/ft at 4,500 rpm. A 6.7L diesel has 860 Lb/ft at 1,600 rpm. A 6.2 turning 4,500 rpm is going to require more fuel than a 6.7 at 1,600 and still have less than half the pulling power.
Ken

[BirchyBoy]

Keep in mind, that TORQUE is where towing power comes from. A 6.2L gas has 405 Lb/ft at 4,500 rpm. A 6.7L diesel has 860 Lb/ft at 1,600 rpm. A 6.2 turning 4,500 rpm is going to require more fuel than a 6.7 at 1,600 and still have less than half the pulling power.
Ken

Thanks. For me, it's the trade off between the increased purchase price and potential repair costs vs long term fuel costs. The age-old battle, I know.

[slow]

I am now working at a dealership that sells Fords, the Ford salesmen are telling me that people who are buying the 6.2 are very upset with their mileage while towing, 7 mpg. The dealership only has one 6.2 on the lot and an entire row of 6.7s. I don't have any knowledge or experience of the CNG kit.

FYI: I made a 7000+ mile trip to the east coast last fall and averaged 10 mpg US (calculated) with our 2015 6.2 at 65 mph. I am NOT light on the gas pedal and was willing to spend money to make time.

At 5000 km (3000 miles) the truck "woke up" and both performance and fuel economy improved noticeably. The 7 mpg reports by the dealer may be during the first 3000 miles.

[BirchyBoy]

FYI: I made a 7000+ mile trip to the east coast last fall and averaged 10 mpg US (calculated) with our 2015 6.2 at 65 mph. I am NOT light on the gas pedal and was willing to spend money to make time.

At 5000 km (3000 miles) the truck "woke up" and both performance and fuel economy improved noticeably. The 7 mpg reports by the dealer may be during the first 3000 miles.

I have read good reviews on F250 related sites regarding the overall 6.2L fuel mileage. It certainly isn't a Civic by any stretch, but I could live with the mileage.

One of the biggest complaints I've read is from people that don't understand the torque management system that is employed. As I understand it, acceleration is slowed until the engine hits a certain RPM, to reduce wheel slippage and such.

[JRTJH]

We had a 2013 F250 with a 6.2l gas engine. Solo mileage was between 14 and 16 depending on how and where we drove. Towing ranged from around 7 to around 12, depending on speed, headwinds, altitude, etc. In about 15,000 miles of towing we averaged roughly 9.1MPG towing our 31' fifth wheel that weighs in between 8500-9500 pounds depending on how we load for any specific trip. The reason we traded for a new diesel was only partly based on towing requirements. For me, the major deciding factor was "I want" not "I need"..... I'll probably never see the "positive return on investment" based on the $9,000 added cost of the diesel, but I'm happy with it and for me, that's a plus. Actually, other than transmission shifting, increased tachometer readings and different "downhill braking systems", I was just as happy towing with my gas truck as I am with my diesel truck. The objective (camping) was/is being accomplished with either fuel source.

IMHO, all the manufacturers make both gas and diesel equipped vehicles because there's no "right/wrong" answer that meets every need. For some buyers, gas is a better option, for some diesel is better. I'd suggest looking at what "fits your needs" and make informed decisions on what to buy. It's not all about the towing aspect, especially if the vehicle is a primary means of transportation for the family. Weigh all the factors and buy what meets your requirements.

[dcg9381]

Running on propane is like running on E85 - less energy per unit, which means lower power, everything else being equal. Some vehicles can take advantage of it - as the fuel is less volatile - the effective octane is higher, so you can add more timing or more boost. Regardless, MPG will be less, but the cost is less.

I've converted one vehicle to E85 and the costs didn't wash, largely due to a not-so-great margin on E855 down here.

You'll see some non-factory duel fuels (Diesel / Propane) that are capable of big power... But efficiency isn't an issue.

[slow]

I have read good reviews on F250 related sites regarding the overall 6.2L fuel mileage. It certainly isn't a Civic by any stretch, but I could live with the mileage.

One of the biggest complaints I've read is from people that don't understand the torque management system that is employed. As I understand it, acceleration is slowed until the engine hits a certain RPM, to reduce wheel slippage and such.


Yes the traction control system prevents wheel spin and results in it feeling lethargic when not towing. I do not experience it when trailering since there is no traction shortage, so the rig accelerates fine.

BTW: If you want to spin your wheels, the traction control can be turned off.

One reason to go F250 diesel is that the receiver capacity of only 12500 lbs / 1250 TW with WD on the F250 gasser limits the TT to just over 8,000 lbs @ 15% TW if you want to stay within all specs. The diesel receiver rating is 14000 lbs / 1400 TW, so a TT closer to 10,000 @ 15% TW is still within specs. If going FW, then diesel is again a better choice because of larger frontal area than TT, IMO.

For our 23RB at about 6000 lbs loaded, the F250 gasser is more than enough truck. If I wanted a heavier TT or a FW, I would have gone diesel.

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[Model A Driver]

You make a great point and yours is a perfect example of "you don't know what you don't know"...Many people who tow have only used one vehicle, so they have no way to compare towing characteristics. To them, the way their F150 tows is "just fine" and they are satisfied with the amount of sway, braking distance and gas mileage. It's only after they experience another tow vehicle that they realize a significant difference in towing. That's when "the light comes on" (so to speak). It happened to you, it happened to me, and will "eventually" happen to others. It usually takes "the experience" of towing with a larger, more powerful vehicle for most people to realize how "under-rated" their "on the verge of being overloaded" vehicle really is.

What's the "old saying" ?? If only I'd have know this earlier........

My old F150 and trailer sway badly on I 75 toward Florida. In June a gust of wind moved the entire rig [both pieces] into the next lane. I dread when semi trucks approach from behind.

[CaptnJohn]

My old F150 and trailer sway badly on I 75 toward Florida. In June a gust of wind moved the entire rig [both pieces] into the next lane. I dread when semi trucks approach from behind.

Two things I found helped a little towing a TT was opening a window on both sides of the TT. I think it helped equalize the suction. When being passed by a larger vehicle just a little more gas, not gaining more than 1or 2 mph. Even with the bolt on sway control these things helped.

When I bought a new Equalizer WD hitch with sway control nearly all sway was gone. Now I have a 5er and rarely notice being passed and it takes a good broadside wind to feel it.

[BirchyBoy]

One reason to go F250 diesel is that the receiver capacity of only 12400 lbs / 1240 TW on the F250 gasser limits the TT to just over 8000 lbs @ 15% TW if you want to stay within all specs. The diesel receiver rating is 14000 lbs / 1400 TW, so a TT closer to 10000 @ 15% TW is still within specs. If going FW, then diesel is again a better choice because of larger frontal area than TT, IMO.


Thanks for mentioning this. The F250 gas has a 1250 WDH limit on the receiver. That 1,250 is after the distribution system has been applied? I hope it doesn't mean the weight of the hitch prior to distribution.

[slow]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160222/a34b7a837f1263d810662874c9d78074.jpg

This for my 2015 F250 gasser.


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[CaptnJohn]

Gas / diesel ~~ Everything from purchase, to fuel, to maintenance is more expensive on the diesel. It starts with the $8500 option price and never ends. Off highway finding fuel can be a drag at times. Lower payload too.

Still, I bought a 2016 diesel F250. Hauls our 5er just fine but close to payload capacity. Could have found a lighter pin or bought a 1 ton but this is the last camper. This is my daily driver too. Fun to drive. Stable towing. Both were a perfect choice.

Everyone makes their choice ~ just make it a safe one.

[BirchyBoy]

My checkbook just gave birth to a 2005 Ford F-350 CC LB RWD with a 6.8L V10 engine and 5 speed auto. Who's good at making vroom vroom sounds?

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_194997_0_9feb6c44b21b0260c6d99d23293f9b5d.jpg

I had been working with a local Ford dealer and then shifted gears. The salesman looked this vehicle up in OASIS and found that it had been serviced at the big Ford dealer in town for the majority of its life. I had a pre-purchase inspection done and a few things came up, including a rear pinion seal and front wheel bearing. The seller took care of them and I'm picking it up tomorrow.

Here's the camper it'll be pulling:

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_194997_1_1ae61322e6a45a2f367819ef3fa3accd.jpg

[JRTJH]

Congratulations on the new truck AND new trailer !!! I suppose, for you, it'll almost be like "starting over from scratch" with all the possibilities for mods, additions and goodies you'll have to learn to say "no, not now" LOL

Enjoy your new rig and let us know how it's going as you get a feel for how it tows and how it camps !!!

[BirchyBoy]

Thanks! Will do for sure. I'm going to have some more PM done on the truck before I hook the camper up. New diff fluid, maybe plugs/coils, etc. And definitely some M/S tires. It has pretty aggressive tires on it right now.

[CaptnJohn]

Best of luck with the new rig ~~ now go have fun

[BlueThunder34]

Nice truck and trailer!! Congrats!

[sourdough]

Since you're going to put it into a towing environment, and don't really know what all it has done in the past, I would drain the diff and put in a magnetic plug if it doesn't have one (so you can monitor what's happening back there). Then change engine oil and filter (drain into a new steel pan and look at what's in the oil - unless the seller changed-add a magnetic plug to the oil pan as well), new plugs, new fuel filter(s), and air filter.

I think for sure I would have the tranny drained and refilled - they can do that quickly and fairly inexpensively any more. Brakes are critical for towing; at the least pull the wheels and check the pads/rotors, shoes/drums (probably need to look at the brake cylinders as well - they have a tendency to start leaking after a few years). If it were me I would just replace them all to be on the safe side. Along the lines of braking I would drain the brake fluid and refill with new. Many times overlooked but it makes a world of difference if the brake fluid is shot....and it does "wear" out. Next I would drain the coolant and replace (excellent time to see what the radiator looks like inside). Depending on what package the truck had when it was built this might be a good time to just slap on an aftermarket tranny cooler. At the same time I would replace the thermostat and radiator hoses (hoses are a weak link on an old vehicle - don't ask me how I know). Inspect your U and/or CV joints for wear/play/damage. Shocks, ball joints, drag link etc. etc. etc.

Just lots of things to play with on your new truck. It used to be a lot of fun for me but I can't get around under one like I used to. Congrats on the new rig and hope you have a blast.

[CWSWine]

Little late for a comment but my neighbor has F150 Max Tow and Max Payload and it rides is terrible. We both agree that rides lot worse then my F350 to the point that if you hit big bump it bounces and rattles the truck. Ford just tried to up the payload on truck that to light making to stiff for decent ride. Just the Max Tow rides lot better than my F350 but adding the Max Payload hurts the ride.

[BirchyBoy]

Since you're going to put it into a towing environment, and don't really know what all it has done in the past, I would drain the diff and put in a magnetic plug if it doesn't have one (so you can monitor what's happening back there). Then change engine oil and filter (drain into a new steel pan and look at what's in the oil - unless the seller changed-add a magnetic plug to the oil pan as well), new plugs, new fuel filter(s), and air filter.

I think for sure I would have the tranny drained and refilled - they can do that quickly and fairly inexpensively any more. Brakes are critical for towing; at the least pull the wheels and check the pads/rotors, shoes/drums (probably need to look at the brake cylinders as well - they have a tendency to start leaking after a few years). If it were me I would just replace them all to be on the safe side. Along the lines of braking I would drain the brake fluid and refill with new. Many times overlooked but it makes a world of difference if the brake fluid is shot....and it does "wear" out. Next I would drain the coolant and replace (excellent time to see what the radiator looks like inside). Depending on what package the truck had when it was built this might be a good time to just slap on an aftermarket tranny cooler. At the same time I would replace the thermostat and radiator hoses (hoses are a weak link on an old vehicle - don't ask me how I know). Inspect your U and/or CV joints for wear/play/damage. Shocks, ball joints, drag link etc. etc. etc.

Just lots of things to play with on your new truck. It used to be a lot of fun for me but I can't get around under one like I used to. Congrats on the new rig and hope you have a blast.

Thanks for all the pointers. I can't do anything like that due to where I live, but I'll definitely have some of it taken care of ASAP and then the rest soon after.

I had a pre-purchase inspection done and things were generally good. The inspector did field tests of oil and transmission and said they were good. He did find a couple things. The dealer had to replace the differential pinion seal and one front bearing. I'll ask them if they fully drained the differential or not. I'll also ask about the other fluids, etc. I'll definitely have the brake fluid flushed.

[Tbos]

Have fun and enjoy the truck and the trailer.

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[sourdough]

I don't recall where you are in CO, if I ever knew, but be sure you find out if they checked the brakes, who/how they checked them and what they found. Most places in CO you are going up or down so if you are going to depend on their check make them tell you exactly what they checked and what they found. Congrats on the new rig and hope you have tons of fun.

On a side note: You had birchyboy, your pit bull mix that appeared to live only 7 years? Was that from birth to death? I have a mix that I love dearly and she's going on 6 (she "found" me to rescue). I love her like I do my kids and worry about what happened to your pup every time I read your caption.

[BirchyBoy]

On a side note: You had birchyboy, your pit bull mix that appeared to live only 7 years? Was that from birth to death? I have a mix that I love dearly and she's going on 6 (she "found" me to rescue). I love her like I do my kids and worry about what happened to your pup every time I read your caption.

Birch was 5 when I rescued him from a shelter in Maine. He was bonkers...his original name was Crackers. Whenever he was left alone, he would spin in a circle and bark until he was exhausted. Then he'd fall over and lick/suck on his hind leg.

He was with me through my divorce back in '05 and we moved to CO together. He went everywhere with me...everywhere. He's one of the reasons that my wife (that I met out here) fell for me because every time I showed up, Birch was in the back seat of my Acura with his head hanging out.

He was the best dog ever and will always be missed.

[sourdough]

Thank you. My Ginger is attached to me at the hip...she's my shadow, alarm clock, worrier, watch pup and in general "take care of dad" pup -with lots of kisses to make sure everything is OK! Thanks for sharing and I'm sorry for your loss.

[byrdr1]

My checkbook just gave birth to a 2005 Ford F-350 CC LB RWD with a 6.8L V10 engine and 5 speed auto. Who's good at making vroom vroom sounds?

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_195048_0_9feb6c44b21b0260c6d99d23293f9b5d.jpg

I had been working with a local Ford dealer and then shifted gears. The salesman looked this vehicle up in OASIS and found that it had been serviced at the big Ford dealer in town for the majority of its life. I had a pre-purchase inspection done and a few things came up, including a rear pinion seal and front wheel bearing. The seller took care of them and I'm picking it up tomorrow.

Here's the camper it'll be pulling:

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_195048_1_1ae61322e6a45a2f367819ef3fa3accd.jpg

Sweet times two.. Truck and camper.
Enjoy your new toys.. Truck looks great and I love the topper, miss mine with the 5er. BUT that's the trade off.
I glad to still you on here too. You contribute much to the forum.
Have fun,
randy

[BirchyBoy]

Sweet times two.. Truck and camper.
Enjoy your new toys.. Truck looks great and I love the topper, miss mine with the 5er. BUT that's the trade off.
I glad to still you on here too. You contribute much to the forum.
Have fun,
randy

Thanks times two! This is among the best forums I belong to.

I'm conflicted on the topper. It's nice and will give lots of storage room. I'm trying to decide if I want to build a sliding system for storing stuff, or take it off and put a tonneau cover on. I prefer tonneau covers, but that would take away a lot of room.

[sourdough]

I use a bak flip folding hard cover on my truck. It's invaluable for protecting your gear and keeping it locked up. The topper might be just as versatile but I would wonder if it is going to limit access to the tailgate only. If so, you might have to crawl into the bed to get things out since the tailgate will not lower with the trailer hitched, if it's like mine. The bak flip folds up to the back of the cab and you can access stuff from the sides. A tonneau would probably do the same.

[slow]

If you decide to keep the bed cap, tie a rope to each of your cargo boxes/totes that you then slide toward the cab of the truck in the bed, leaving the free end of the rope near the tail gate. Then there is no reason to have to crawl into the bed of the truck to retrieve anything. Just pull it back when required and give it a push forward to put it back in its place.

I do this with multiple totes designated for different contents. One for tools, while other totes are for extra hardware and repair supplies, life jackets / bike accessories / helmets and two for fire wood.

[Tbos]

Thanks times two! This is among the best forums I belong to.

I'm conflicted on the topper. It's nice and will give lots of storage room. I'm trying to decide if I want to build a sliding system for storing stuff, or take it off and put a tonneau cover on. I prefer tonneau covers, but that would take away a lot of room.
I'd be inclined to leave it on for a season and see how it goes. It does give you extra height in the bed for storage. The ropes on the totes is a good idea too.

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[sourdough]

Excellent point on the ropes! Flat didn't think about it. We use them all the time on totes/ice chests etc. in the bed of our truck so I don't have to flip the top open. You may really like the added height after you use it a while.

[BirchyBoy]

Here's a pic of the new ride and camper. The previous owner had a fifth wheel hitch mounted in the bed but didn't leave the hitch. I'm going to reuse those holes to build a sliding platform for the bed. Now I just need to go to Ace and figure out the bolt size.

http://www.keystoneforums.com/attachments/photobucket/img_195667_0_14bdc115002cc571bdbc109f4f966457.jpg

[JRTJH]

SWEET looking rig !!! I'm sure you'll enjoy every aspect of towing, well, except for the frequent stops at gas stations <wink>

Enjoy modifying your truck bed. Let us know what (and how) you make it more useable....

[BirchyBoy]

SWEET looking rig !!! I'm sure you'll enjoy every aspect of towing, well, except for the frequent stops at gas stations <wink>

Enjoy modifying your truck bed. Let us know what (and how) you make it more useable....

Thanks! Will do.

My plan is to keep outside chairs, tools, etc. in the truck. We'll see how well it goes.

[sourdough]

After packing your trailer with all the stuff that goes in it you should be able to put all kinds of stuff in your truck - especially with the topper.

We carry our lawn chairs, bbq grill, tables, ice chests, compressor, some tools, fishing gear, leveling blocks and anything else that comes to mind (I'm sure I'm missing some stuff). My last trip into a very remote area I carried the above along with 6 5 gallon jerry cans of gas and 5 ice chests loaded.

Good luck on getting things sorted....and have fun.

[T3/T4 Hybrid]

Thanks times two! This is among the best forums I belong to.

I'm conflicted on the topper. It's nice and will give lots of storage room. I'm trying to decide if I want to build a sliding system for storing stuff, or take it off and put a tonneau cover on. I prefer tonneau covers, but that would take away a lot of room.

You will find its your best friend at times and other times its your worst enemy. When I got my new TV I did not option to get another topper. Everyone has a different level of what they can live with and without. I choose the without this time. :D Good luck on the new purchase! :cool: