The Importance of Pre-delivery inspections (PDI)

[therink]

I have learned a lot over the years as far as RV's go. Some hard lessons learned from my own mistakes and some by others as I read and participate in these great forums.
Probably the greatest lesson learned was to perform a thorough pre-delivery inspection before taking that new beautiful trailer home from the dealer lot.
Last year when I took delivery of my current fiver, I found about 12 items during the inspection. The worst was a cracked vacuum breaker under the bathroom sink that flooded the bathroom when testing the black tank flush. Other items were mostly fit and finish things, loose screws, etc. All of these items were repaired that day while I watched. This saved me a lot of time and frustration down the road.

Today, I performed a PDI for a friend taking delivery of a new (leftover) 2013 Cougar High Country 321 RES TT. We started the inspection at 3pm and ended at 7pm. Prior to the inspection, the tech stated that he went through everything on the unit twice and "all was good".

Here are a few items I found: All tires under inflated by 15psi, 12 small cracks/voids in roof caulk at front and rear roof seams, cracked air conditioner roof cover (one cover bolt missing as well), loose spare tire bracket, no door keys to the unit (really), shower pan not supported at drain with considerable flexing (would eventually crack or break drain pipe), bedroom ac fan did not work, front end cap severely faded at top 2 feet, outside shower faucet cracked and flooded bathroom under sink when water pump was turned on, stripped hinge screws on a couple interior cabinet doors and one cabinet door with large defect on wood finish. Also a couple other minor items.
Keep in mind that the tech told us he went over everything twice during the prep. Also, I de-winterized the plumbing, so I know he didn't check that. He obviously didn't check the tire pressures, but he sure made them shiny. It amazes me when you spend this kind of $, how dealerships will do the bare minimum to deliver a trailer. Well, I can say for certain that they were not happy to see me today. I am confident that I saved my friend a whole lot of anguish and believe that because they didn't take the trailer with them, these items will be corrected in a reasonable timeframe. This likely would not have been the case if they drove it home today.

Take it from me, when the dealer says they have gone through a trailer; before you hitch it to your tow vehicle and drive away, think again and spend the time go through it yourself. The PDI checklist is available on this forum and is a valuable tool.

[KanTC]

Thanks for sharing your "first-hand" experience, Steve. Glad you were able to help your friend... you did good! :D

Terri, the Chevy co-pilot :)

[SAABDOCTOR]

GREAT ADVICE!!! dealer says we went through everything: You think he checked out everything on my new trailer so i am good to go! DEALER REALY MENT WE WNET THROUGH EVERYTHING... THE CHECK CLEARED THE PAPER WORK IS SET AND SIGNED INSURANCE CAIS ALL SET FINANCING ALL SET YEP YOUR GOOD TO GO! AND THAT 1500 PICK UP WILL TOW THIS 16000LB 5ER JUST FINE. ENJOY YA'LL:banghead: READ AND PRINT THAT PDI LIST.

[GaryWT]

I guess I am just lucky. Last year when we picked up our, I spent about 30-45 minutes going through things. Did not have them hook to water or anything and everything was just fine all year. It is a great dealer so maybe they do thing right the first time.

[dtm418]

When I bought my Premier Bullet 19FB earlier this month at the last minute Camping World notified me that my Keystone warranty would not be valid unless I paid them $880 to inspect the trailer to certify its condition after transport to their store. Was I robbed?

And I still did a full inspection before but after I had more time at home after purchase I discovered some minor issues. One being the fresh water tank leaked. I took it back for the this work to be looked at and found out they knew the fresh water tank had been punctured during "the build" process with a screw and had already ordered a replacement tank.

I took my Bullet out for a quick weekend and loved it. Just having so many regrets about Camping World now. Haven't seen my trailer in ten days now as they are "waiting on warranty work approval from Keystone".

[Bombfixer]

When I bought my Toyhauler last Aug, the place I bought it from tried to tell me that a spare tire was not included in the purchase price and that I had to buy my own propane tanks and shore power cable. I called Keystone on the spot and put the call on speaker phone in their main sales office. They changed their tune real quick after Keystone got involved.

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[dtm418]

Thanks Bombfixer. I am calling Keystone Customer Service after the holiday. Been reading here and the Keystone site and there are a lot of things I am finding that my Camping World told me wrong, didn't tell me, didn't give me, or just maybe lied about.

[Festus2]

While you are talking with Keystone, you might send an email to Marcus Lemonis, CEO of Camping World and Good Sam. He has "promised" to improve the operations and customer relations at Camping World and seems to be quite open to suggestions and experiences - good and bad - from CW customers.

His email address is: [email protected]

I'd also send a copy to the dealer of your email as well as a note indicating that you will be in contact with Keystone to discuss the $800 fee and the "threat" to revoke your warranty if you refuse the PDI.

I hope you haven't yet paid the $800 to the dealer. I think it is important that you try to maintain a civil and a reasonable working relationship with the dealer --- they are the ones that you will probably need to go through to get any warranty work done and if you come on too strong, they could make it difficult for you down the road. Be polite but be firm.

Let us know how things progress with Keystone and the dealer. Good luck with this.

[dtm418]

Since my trailer is in their shop for the warranty work I am going to wait until I get it out. I no longer trust any of them. They also promised a three year Good Sam membership with my purchase that would include a year of roadside assistance. They have yet to provide that after 24 days. The first two weeks I went there and reminded them while I shopped. They said there was accidently a Good Sam membership number attached to my trailer and they had to get that removed first. After two weeks I messaged the salesman two days in a row asking for a status update. He has ignored me ever since. I have found other places that can do the warranty work if needed later. Once I get my trailer back I am going to avoid my Camping World. They are not worth it.

I appreciate the email address. I will include him in at the right moment after I call customer service. I will keep you posted.

[TLB]

When we took delivery of our new TT last fall we had a 1.5 hour "Customer Orientation" that included going over everything from hitching to the truck & operating everything inside & outside the TT.

The tech even said if we ever have any questions to call the dealership and ask for him and he would try to help over the phone if we forgot anything we went over.

This is at a family owned dealership that has been open since 1971. I hope most of you have had great people do deal with like I have.

[dtm418]

My orientation was a little short and weird. The man became obviously perturbed when I asked a lot of questions and occasionally asked something that he said he already explained. So he just sat there while I asked questions.

The big thing was he told me how to manually move the slide which was very important to me. But I figured it out quickly once I got home. The first trip I learned what switches had to be turned on in what order and/or combination. I still love the trailer but have questions about it. So I will try and get them here in the group about my trailer.

Just disappointed in Camping World after the sale. They were good before then and they have been around so long as I shopped there for over 25 years buying present for my parents who always owned an RV.

I hope it is just my location.

[Pmedic4]

.... They also promised a three year Good Sam membership with my purchase that would include a year of roadside assistance. They have yet to provide that after 24 days. The first two weeks I went there and reminded them while I shopped. ....

I bought a TT from CW, and didn't even know they offer the "Elite" Good Sam membership. I was looking to buy several items from CW, so I joined Good Sam for the savings on the items. Then about 6 months after my purchase, I got the Elite Good Sam membership notice and material. For me, there wasn't a close Camping World, so didn't go back, even though I had a few warranty issues I ended up repairing myself - it didn't make sense to haul the TT 300 miles round trip, costing me $120 in fuel for a $50 repair. I did have one problem with the bathroom fan, and the manufacturer just sent me the part, saving the money for the fuel.

Everyone has their own issues! BTW, I traded the TT I bought from CW, and bought my 5ver from a closer, but not local, dealer. Oddly, that has been important, since I should have done a better PDI! However, the dealer has fixed the issues, and I'm pleased with the service.

Moral of the story, do a good PDI.

[Western Traveler]

When I bought my Premier Bullet 19FB earlier this month at the last minute Camping World notified me that my Keystone warranty would not be valid unless I paid them $880 to inspect the trailer to certify its condition after transport to their store. Was I robbed?".

We purchased our TT at at the Pomona RV Show in California and took delivery out of state last year. I asked the Western Area Keystone rep specifically about an inspection charge. He said Keystone did not allow dealers to charge as it was part of the service provided and that it was illegal in California to charge an inspection fee. I don't know about other states but he very firmly stated that behavior was not acceptable with Keystone.

[therink]

I was told by a CW employee that dealers receive a PDI credit from all RV manufacturers for each and every new RV on their lot. Said it starts at a couple hundred bucks for basic models like pop ups to several thousand for high end class A's. This allowance is provided for the dealer to clean and go tthrough each unit and fix all things the factory did wrong during the quick assembly.
A good dealer will spend the time and actually fix things like cabinet doors and drawers out of alignment, poor caulking, sawdust in ductwork, etc before the buyer even picks it up. Other dealers pocket the $ and hope that the buyer fixes minor things themselves or bring it back under warranty (hence double dipping). Crooked dealers pocket the credit and then charge buyers a large fee for PDI.

[dtm418]

I am going to do what I can to complain and get my money back but doubt I will have any luck.

[No K or I]

Where is the PDI checklist on this site? I'd like to review it prior to having my PDI.

[JRTJH]

http://www.keystonerv.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5129

[bdcarey]

We purchased our TT at at the Pomona RV Show in California and took delivery out of state last year. I asked the Western Area Keystone rep specifically about an inspection charge. He said Keystone did not allow dealers to charge as it was part of the service provided and that it was illegal in California to charge an inspection fee. I don't know about other states but he very firmly stated that behavior was not acceptable with Keystone.
2014 Cougar High Country 327res, purchased 3 os. ago.
3 cabinet doors (holes in the door panels) needed to be replaced, identified on inspection. CW ordered replacement, followup, cabinet vendor has canceled contract (67 customers have not had defective doors replaced.
Windows have a split in the aluminum frames in half the windows the others have been caulked. CW's response the seamless windows needed cut so they could fit.
Referred to local CW dealer for these problems.
Will go to local CW, discuss warranty, replacement of cabinet doors they will have find a vendor to make/replace like doors, stain etc. if they do not have them in stock.
Has anyone had a similar experience with success in CW correction of these deficiencies?
Will post my experience with warranty etc.

[JRTJH]

We purchased our Springdale fifth wheel from CW at Houghton Lake, MI in 2010. They went the "extra mile" with everything related to the warranty and, when the tree fell on our trailer destroying the roof, they repaired it within the insurance estimate, on time and with no problems found after the repair.

I would say that CW, Houghton Lake is an "exceptional" CW facilitiy. There are a number of members who have had "just the opposite" experiences at other CW facilities around the country.

So, I'd say that it's not really CW that needs to respond to your problems, but the service "leadership" at the local CW facility. If they do, they also will be providing "exceptional" service to you. If they "ignore your issues", then it's apparent that they fall into that "other category".

Just as people have "personality and moods" so do dealerships. How you interact with them and how they respond depends on much more than "just reporting a warranty issue".

Work with your dealership, try to understand their limitations and give them time to get a repair plan formulated. Remember, your warranty is not a CW warranty, it's a Keystone warranty. CW most likely will not "find a local carpenter to manufacture, stain and provide replacement cabinet doors" unless that's what Keystone tells them to do. Don't be too quick to blame CW for not fixing your trailer while they are working with (and waiting for) Keystone to authorize the repair and tell CW what they will pay to fix/what they will not pay to fix.

[EMCS retired]

Just finished our pre - pre delivery inspection 2014 Mountaineer 375FLF, here's our punch list.
1. the led light above the mirror on the front cap above the hitch - no one at the dealership could find the switch for it - help
2. spot on the bedroom carpet
3. spots on the kitchen floor, could be dried mud?
4. the outside top vent cover for refrigerator mounted upside down, yep the holes are actually pointing up.
5. we suspect the black/grey tank valves are also labeled wrong same as everyone else's
6. birds nest inside the hitch box
7. bathroom to bedroom door missing - robbed Peter to pay Paul on a previous sale is what the salesman told us. He better hope the new one matches
8. loose trim on the same door frame
9. 3 minor nicks/scratches on decal on front cap
10. A/C's were not observed in operation because we only had a 16 gauge extension cord stretched across the parking lot providing power
11. water system was not observed in operation
12. refrigerator turned on but did not observe it in operation
13. TV's were not observed in operation, needed batteries for remotes


the last 4 will be accomplished on our return visit next week when we take our trade in BEFORE we sign the papers. The salesman promised to be plugged into 50A and the fridge will be cold with some water in the tank. Will probably just crank up the antenna to check TV's, cable not available to connect to.
Overall not so bad but the fridge vent thing just amazes me that it passed QA, then again, maybe it didn't.

[mazboy123]

call and set up another appt. talk to the manager and schedule your review.

but you also have websites like this one too.

[JRTJH]

EMCS retired has already indicated that the dealership has been "given his punch list" and he has an appointment already scheduled to "return next week with our trade BEFORE we sign the papers." It's appropriate for him to let the dealership perform the maintenance and re-inspect the RV before signing the sales documents. Talking to the manager and scheduling a review apparently have already been done. Next week will "tell the tale" as to whether the dealership does as he expects.

As for the door that was "moved to another unit," it seems we're all for it if it benefits us, but object if it doesn't. If we are buying a model with a damaged door, we "expect" the dealership to "take one from that RV" so ours is complete, but when we're looking at the "donor RV" as the one we're buying, we "get upset" that the dealership would "steal from us" to fix an "unknown RV." At this point, let's expect that the dealership has a replacement door in the dealership's inventory or can get one by next week. Otherwise, EMCS retired has a decision to make.

Having access to "websites like this one" give members the opportunity to "voice their experiences" but do little to effect an "unknown dealership" or even "Keystone management teams" to aspire to better service. It's lofty to think we can affect "Keystone mentality" by posting here, but in reality, to my knowledge, Keystone (in any level of employment) has never responded to any post on this forum. I wouldn't expect EMCS retired's reports of his experiences to change that any more than I'd expect Keystone to "jump onboard the customer service train" because of a post on this website.

Check the disclaimer at the bottom of every webpage, it will explain the "association" (or lack of association) between Keystone and the Keystone forum.

[Idaho Blue]

Would love to use the PDI, but I can't seem to locate it on the forum. Any chance you could post a link or directions to finding it? Thanks

[sourdough]

Would love to use the PDI, but I can't seem to locate it on the forum. Any chance you could post a link or directions to finding it? Thanks


You NEED to use the PDI. If not the single most important item that needs to be done before the sale, it is close. Here's a link:

http://www.keystoneforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5129

[hornet28]

Just bought a 5th wheel used and was very surprised to have some dealers showing dirty trailers and charging a buyer $1000 to clean and check that things worked as they should. One salesmen made the comment " cleaning them would be like putting lipstick on a pig" I was looking at units more than a year or two old but come on why have a dirty trailer on the lot unless it just came in or it's a backrow as is special. Instead I used that $1000 too buy more trailer from a private owner who had enough pride in what he was selling that it was clean and he was more than willing to show that things worked and how. I did my own inspection the same as you should even buying from a dealer including checking the condition of the roof

[Idaho Blue]

Best wishes on your purchase. Some dealers and salespeople make me see red!

[flybouy]

Just bought a 5th wheel used and was very surprised to have some dealers showing dirty trailers and charging a buyer $1000 to clean and check that things worked as they should. One salesmen made the comment " cleaning them would be like putting lipstick on a pig" I was looking at units more than a year or two old but come on why have a dirty trailer on the lot unless it just came in or it's a backrow as is special. Instead I used that $1000 too buy more trailer from a private owner who had enough pride in what he was selling that it was clean and he was more than willing to show that things worked and how. I did my own inspection the same as you should even buying from a dealer including checking the condition of the roof

For me personally I'd rather be presented with an untouched trade in (whether it's an rv, car, boat, whatever) than the prettied up version for several reasons.
1. I'd like to know if the unit is/was rodent infested vs smelling Lysol and air freshener.
2. I'd rather open a door, or hood, battery box and see dirt, oil or corrosion and know that maintenance has been ignored rather see how pretty it looks hiding the facts.
3. Cost - paying the dealer is more costly in that labor rates for cleaning are high and covering up problems looming after purchase will bite and sting.
4. Negotiating - I have personally been more successful at negotiating a lower cost by listing defects that are obvious vs ones hidden by "lipstick".

This methodology works for me and doesn't mean it will for you. I am fortunate enough to have enough knowledge and experience to make a case by listing the defaults and what the remedies will require and the cost of same. It's my opinion that there are renters and there are homeowners. If you're a renter you call a number when the toilet leaks, a homeowner tries to fix it themselves. In my opinion folks who by Rv's, cars, or boats should by new if they are unfamiliar with the workings (much like the renters previously mentioned). Purchase new and when the warranty expires trade it in and by another new one and do nothing in between as far as maintenance is concerned as it will not be cost effective.
If you are the homeowner type that your purchase decision will be more flexible and successful if doing repairs are more your forte. YMMV

[travelin texans]

IMHO ask up front if a dealer is charging the buyer for the PDI on either new or used rvs, if so go somewhere/anywhere else to purchase.
On the last 2 I've bought I'm the one that should've been paid for the PDI it that was the case, the folks knew absolutely nothing about them, I was teaching them how appliances & other equipment operated.
If they were charging $1000 to clean up a trade before you drove off with it, I'd of almost nicely told them where they could shove it.

[sourdough]

For me personally I'd rather be presented with an untouched trade in (whether it's an rv, car, boat, whatever) than the prettied up version for several reasons.
1. I'd like to know if the unit is/was rodent infested vs smelling Lysol and air freshener.
2. I'd rather open a door, or hood, battery box and see dirt, oil or corrosion and know that maintenance has been ignored rather see how pretty it looks hiding the facts.
3. Cost - paying the dealer is more costly in that labor rates for cleaning are high and covering up problems looming after purchase will bite and sting.
4. Negotiating - I have personally been more successful at negotiating a lower cost by listing defects that are obvious vs ones hidden by "lipstick".

This methodology works for me and doesn't mean it will for you. I am fortunate enough to have enough knowledge and experience to make a case by listing the defaults and what the remedies will require and the cost of same. It's my opinion that there are renters and there are homeowners. If you're a renter you call a number when the toilet leaks, a homeowner tries to fix it themselves. In my opinion folks who by Rv's, cars, or boats should by new if they are unfamiliar with the workings (much like the renters previously mentioned). Purchase new and when the warranty expires trade it in and by another new one and do nothing in between as far as maintenance is concerned as it will not be cost effective.
If you are the homeowner type that your purchase decision will be more flexible and successful if doing repairs are more your forte. YMMV


I agree with your first paragraph; the 2nd one, not so much.

I am a homeowner; bought my first one before I turned 21 and have owned at least one since; had 4 until 3 years ago now have 2 working on one I hope in the somewhere near future. I can wrench on cars, boats and bikes as well as do most anything that building a house requires. I have the knowledge and ability to repair most anything I come across, but, I DO NOT buy vehicles, boats or RVs used. I've never had success with buying used anything so stopped when I was about 25. I will say that I have bought older vehicles to rebuild as toys; CJ7, Ramcharger, Bronco etc.

Buying used works for some folks and they don't mind the inconveniences of it failing then fixing it. I do not have the patience for it because it always happens at the most inopportune moment and causes problems for not only me but those with me; ie; getting stranded with a failed fuel pump on a Sunday returning from the mountains with friends then laying in the parking lot of a Ford dealer soaked with gas while replacing it (the lead salesman there was my friend and went with the parts guy to set one out for me when I finally made it to the dealership). I had made the mistake of keeping that vehicle until it had over 90k - not any more. The same reason I will not keep tires on a vehicle past 40-50k - don't want the hassle of a failed tire.

Just saying that not ALL folks that buy new vs buying used are "renters" that are unfamiliar with the "workings" of whatever. Nor do those like me have to "call a number" to have someone else fix it. My belief is just don't have the issue in the first place, or don't buy something just to wait to see what breaks. I know there are those on both sides of this fence and that is as it should be. JMO

[travelin texans]

I've said this a hundred times, if you're not physically able, have NO mechanical abilities, don't own tools or don't mind the dealerships having your rv on their lot far more than you do, DON'T BUY A RV, there WILL ALWAYS be something to fix.

[flybouy]

I agree with your first paragraph; the 2nd one, not so much.

I am a homeowner; bought my first one before I turned 21 and have owned at least one since; had 4 until 3 years ago now have 2 working on one I hope in the somewhere near future. I can wrench on cars, boats and bikes as well as do most anything that building a house requires. I have the knowledge and ability to repair most anything I come across, but, I DO NOT buy vehicles, boats or RVs used. I've never had success with buying used anything so stopped when I was about 25. I will say that I have bought older vehicles to rebuild as toys; CJ7, Ramcharger, Bronco etc.

Buying used works for some folks and they don't mind the inconveniences of it failing then fixing it. I do not have the patience for it because it always happens at the most inopportune moment and causes problems for not only me but those with me; ie; getting stranded with a failed fuel pump on a Sunday returning from the mountains with friends then laying in the parking lot of a Ford dealer soaked with gas while replacing it (the lead salesman there was my friend and went with the parts guy to set one out for me when I finally made it to the dealership). I had made the mistake of keeping that vehicle until it had over 90k - not any more. The same reason I will not keep tires on a vehicle past 40-50k - don't want the hassle of a failed tire.

Just saying that not ALL folks that buy new vs buying used are "renters" that are unfamiliar with the "workings" of whatever. Nor do those like me have to "call a number" to have someone else fix it. My belief is just don't have the issue in the first place, or don't buy something just to wait to see what breaks. I know there are those on both sides of this fence and that is as it should be. JMO

I think maybe you didn't understand, or I didn't make it clear enough but if you reread the last sentence I said the "homeowner type" has more options in buying new or used. I've done plenty of both in buying new and used and had success and failure in both. What I'm trying to convey is that if you have no mechanical aptitude, are unable or unwilling to pay someone else to do it for you, then perhaps buying used without a warranty or with a limited warranty either in scope or term may not be a good decision.

[hornet28]

I still think a dealer should be cleaning them up and making sure things work unless it's an as is deal. I'm 74 and I can't begin to count how many cars and trucks I've had but I've only bought three new. As far as buying from a dealer maybe a dozen including the new ones were bought from a dealer. if you don't know how to look past the "Lipstick" you might have a problem. I learned to do that years ago. If you don't mind taking the hit as soon as it's driven/pulled off the lot fine I don't care to do that. The last truck, 02 Chevy HD, I bought new I kept for 11 years only got rid of it because I wanted to go to a diesel, the one I have now

[Poppy]

Like TexasTraveler, I think I should have been paid for the PDI. We didn’t buy our 5er at CW, but at another dealer. When it came time for the walk, It was obvious the guy knew nothing about campers. He was showing us, this is the stove and refrigerator is here. This is the vent fan and you turn it on with this switch. DUH!
He couldn’t turn on the TV or radio, but”they work”.
When we were walking around the outside, he showed us the central station where the water and electric hooks up. This little plug at the bottom, you can unscrew it if it gets flooded, to let the water drain.
He showed us where to hook up the black tank drain, then began to walk down the length of the trailer saying the grey tank drain should be here somewhere.
We wasn’t sure whether to feel sorry or laugh at him.
The PDI only lasted for about 15 minutes. I had to ask about hooking and unhooking to the truck. It’s my first 5er.

[Life-in-Him]

Residue everywhere. Only hand laying flat space between tires & floor. Roof leaks when new. Bearing seals blown causing brakes to grab. Defective brake drum (keystone fitted only this 1 item), sail switch bad, floor cracked, doors stick closed need body slams to open, shower doors come off in travel, ceiling vent leaks, shower skylite leaks, cracks & scratches of all skylights, all window seals leak, tv not tied down so it swings in travel, ceiling vents fall down, spare tire blew up on mounting rack, spring shackles broken, lug nuts loose 1 week after delivery, stabilizer arm bent, belly pan sagging 10", tank drain handles loose & came off, water hammer on closing any valve, slide screeches, slide binding, slide seals leak, under seat drawer disintegrated, amost all trim inside has pulled loose, screen door closures broken, sharp corners on bedroom closets, furnace ducts full of wood chips, bathroom sliding door keeper broken, shower not screwed down, table flanges all loose, antenna mount loose & broken, missing calk around all doors & windows, front cap lighting strips loose, bad tires,. Had to add mor/ryde shackle system, suspension system risers to get 3" tire to floor clearance, replace defective spare tire, clean & lube all window tracks, clean & lube all slider parts, replace wheel bearing seals, replace all 4 bad tires after 3,000 miles

[wiredgeorge]

Residue everywhere. Only hand laying flat space between tires & floor. Roof leaks when new. Bearing seals blown causing brakes to grab. Defective brake drum (keystone fitted only this 1 item), sail switch bad, floor cracked, doors stick closed need body slams to open, shower doors come off in travel, ceiling vent leaks, shower skylite leaks, cracks & scratches of all skylights, all window seals leak, tv not tied down so it swings in travel, ceiling vents fall down, spare tire blew up on mounting rack, spring shackles broken, lug nuts loose 1 week after delivery, stabilizer arm bent, belly pan sagging 10", tank drain handles loose & came off, water hammer on closing any valve, slide screeches, slide binding, slide seals leak, under seat drawer disintegrated, amost all trim inside has pulled loose, screen door closures broken, sharp corners on bedroom closets, furnace ducts full of wood chips, bathroom sliding door keeper broken, shower not screwed down, table flanges all loose, antenna mount loose & broken, missing calk around all doors & windows, front cap lighting strips loose, bad tires,. Had to add mor/ryde shackle system, suspension system risers to get 3" tire to floor clearance, replace defective spare tire, clean & lube all window tracks, clean & lube all slider parts, replace wheel bearing seals, replace all 4 bad tires after 3,000 miles


This thread was sort of ancient when someone popped in a month ago. Why are you posting this stuff? Is this your trailer I am guessing and since there is no context for this long list of issues, why list them? Just venting a little or is there some other point? Just curious.