Safety and Security with RV Locks?

[Pmedic4]

We recently lost one of our sets of keys to our RV, and I contacted the dealer about getting a new set of keys. The person was very helpful :), almost too helpful. He said yes, we can get those keys, and it would take about a week, but then he said, you can go to "RVLocksandmore.com", and order the keys yourself.
My first thought was, well isn't there any validation of the model and the keys I have? Thanked the guy, and went to the website, and as he described, there were the keys for our RV, for $2.75. Codes for all common keys are listed right there, so whatever key (Fastec or GLobal Link), for any code I want, is right there for the ordering. Better yet, for $70, I could order an entire set of all keys for probably about 80% of the RVs on the market. So then you start thinking....
How secure is our RV? Yes, it would be real easy to break into most RV's without great difficulty, probably lots of damage, but hey, it's not mine so who cares!
The question is, does this bother anyone else. I've always known there are only a few unique locksets for RVs, but the ease to obtain the keys is much worse than I could imagine. :eek:

[Bluewater]

A new set of keys can be made in minute for your car or truck by just the vin in the windshield so this security thing has been bs for some time. Sad to say.

[dwyleecoyote]

You could probably install a better deadbolt. We had one on our Jayco that looked exactly like a house deadbolt. Even had the normal looking house key.

[JRTJH]

Yup, take the VIN to a car dealership and they can make you a replacement key (but it won't be chipped to start the vehicle). Most dealerships want the registration so you can prove you're really the owner, but all it takes is knowing the parts guy or the janitor or ??? to get a key to unlock the doors.

Thankfully it takes a computer program reset to unlock the chip/starting interlocks so a thief could "drive away"..... of course that can be bypassed with "lots of damage" and as stated, to the thief, "who cares about damage"......

Until the recent advent of "slam lock doors" on RV's. almost every outside access door used the same key industry wide. So if you have a CH751 key to unlock your access doors, you can get into nearly every RV in the campground. And if like many, the storage compartment also has inside access, you're into the interior as soon as you open the storage compartment door, crawl in and push up on the dinette seat or bed platform.

Security is, for the most part, a "frame of mind" more than a "real safety measure".....

[DieselMatt]

Perhaps this is just my false sense of security, but I feel comfortable at the campsites I have been to in regard to people breaking in to my trailer. Granted, I still lock everything, but I also have no fear of taking a bike ride down the road and leaving it unlocked. I'm sure that my feelings would vary based on the campsite though.

[Chipsahoy]

There are only a few sets of keys for all RV's. On one occasion, we left home and drove for about 4 hours before stopping for the night. During set up I realized I had left the keys to the fifth wheel on the kitchen counter at home!! A few camp sites over people were sitting out in thier chairs so I walked over and asked if I could borrow thier keys. They looked at me like I was nuts. They were even more astonished when thier keys opened the door. Didn't lock up the remainder of the trip and never had an issue! Only way to truly secure is to add a deadbolt or hasp and lock. I don't worry about it too much. A real thief will get in no matter what you do.

[f6bits]

I've replaced all my locks. *Especially* the storage locks since they're all the same key. The door lock is uniquely keyed. I don't want to make it *too* easy for someone to break in.

[GaryWT]

Goes back to the old saying, locks only keep the honest, honest. We generally do not lock the doors unless we are going to bed or going traveling for an entire day. There is not much in there that anyone would want.

[dandjh1958]

+1 with GaryWT. I camp by myself a lot and I figure if they want whats in my trailer, they can have it. I only lock at night and if I go out and about for the day. DH says my safety first, the trailer can be replaced.

One key works for both doors and our storage latches have the same key as our popup trailer latches.
We are lazy.....

Happy Camping!!

[TandE]

I lock my trailer when I'm away and sleeping in it. It doesn't bother me that it is easy to get a key to open it as I don't have much of value in it. I do however wish my cooler had a lock on it to keep the pesky teenagers from stealing my adult beverages though.....

Travis

[Bluewater]

Last fall I was adjusting the striker plate on my door for a better fit and was shocked when I remover the screws. They just went thru the striker and maybe 3/16 of an inch into the wood. Why in the world would Keystone use such short screws to anchor all the locking? A hard pull on the door handle would have easily pulled the screws out. Not any more...I put in some 1 1/2" long hoping they hold. Maybe those screws cost a penny more.

[Ken / Claudia]

Unless you are willing to pay hundreds more for better locks, doors, keys that is what we have. I am not concerned. Even with better locks and keys, a 20 dollar pry bar will get any crook inside, fast and cause hundreds or higher cost to repair.

[hankpage]

Many of us on this forum say that "Google is your friend". Well, search for "Bump Key" or the name of any lock you may have on your home and you may be surprised how many videos on you-tube you will find on how to open the locks on your home. (most of the videos are made by teenagers with too much time on their hands) As mentioned, locks only keep honest folks out. A heavy screw driver or small pry-bar can open a RV door faster than the key and with little noise. The truth is the best security lock is a Rottweiler and some of them become big pussy-cats when they smell a tasty treat.

[denverpilot]

Most locks only keep the honest out on most things. The CH751 is used on a LOT more things than RVs. Some of the keys used on some of the gear I work on in telecom and radio infrastructure projects haven't changed in my lifetime. Same key everywhere. It's not even a secret.

[SAABDOCTOR]

REMEMBER LOCKS ARE FOR HONEST PEOPLE! THE 1911 IS FOR THE STOPpING THE BAD GUY! John is right that dealers ask for a registration before cutting a key. and the newer systems on the cars require the car be present to "code" the new key. my Saab and Volvo scaners require a security access before i can program keys. Again it keeps the honest ones out. the thief will just tow the car away and chop it for parts.

[limey]

On a LOT of RVs, the door locks are immaterial. Our Montana was broken into in the "secure" storage facility it was in. They got in through the storage access. Yes, it was locked, but even when locked, the latch is spring loaded. The storage doors on the Montana have two locks - the thieves simply pushed the latches up using something flexible (a credit card will work), then removed the laundry hamper and entered the RV through the floor hatch! They stole the TV and DVD player (breaking it in the process). They obviously knew what they were doing and broke into several RVs that night.

Upside - Progressive had a check in my hand for replacements within three days and there was no structural damage. Others were not so lucky with broken cabinetry and a missing catalytic converter on a newish class A!

[Ken / Claudia]

As a auto theft Det. I had a case that would be written into a story. But, point is 17 year old car theft ran a chop shop. He stole all high dollar vehicles. He could disable a Lexus alarms and tow them away from the owners driveway. He got 6 in PDX. Those keys at that time were 275 and up, lazer cut and done be dealers only. As a informat, he taught my auto theft unit how it could be done.

[rschad]

I have a vantage 29rls. It has two doors and a locking cover on the font window that raises up when open. They each lock and are all keyed differently. So with 3 different keys does that mean I can open most keystone trailers?

[SAABDOCTOR]

are we plannig something?:rolleyes:

[hankpage]

I have a vantage 29rls. It has two doors and a locking cover on the font window that raises up when open. They each lock and are all keyed differently. So with 3 different keys does that mean I can open most keystone trailers?

We are not talking only Keystone ....... just about ALL trailers use the same locks.

[JRTJH]

I have a vantage 29rls. It has two doors and a locking cover on the font window that raises up when open. They each lock and are all keyed differently. So with 3 different keys does that mean I can open most keystone trailers?

FASTEC Lock Company makes almost all the entry door locks for every RV manufacturer. There are 50 key codes. HF301 - HF351. S0 if you have three HF keys, chances are you can open one in every 16 RV's in the campground. LOL

That being said, you might be able to open every one on the first row and none on the back row... That's what makes it fun to walk up and try <YIKES> :eek:

Here's the website in case you might want to buy a complete set (plus the master). The set is only $56 and pretty much guarantees that you can open every RV, even on the back row..... LOL

http://www.fastecindustrial.com/products/default.html

Oh, if you don't already have a spare set of keys hidden away in a magnetic box somewhere under your RV, this website is an excellent place to order spare keys for "legitimate" purposes...... :cool: You can also order the key and master cylinder to replace the ones in your current locks so all of your locks are opened by one key. Makes it easier for you "AND" the thief to get in during a rainstorm

[Steve S]

This is funny, when I bought my trailer there was one key that looked odd compared to the others. About a week later the dealer called and asked if I had this key and I asked why and he said it was a master key for the lot.
They said they would send someone out to pick it up and they never did.
I keep meaning to bring it with me when I go to buy stuff but as I never lock my doors I never carry keys.
Oh and I'm waiting for someone close to post that they bought a new BBQ for their TT so I can go scoop it one day!:p:surprise:

[Pmedic4]

Thanks for the feedback. Like most of you on here, I've had many RV's, not realizing before the ease in obtaining any key. In some ways, someone breaking in and stealing the TV and DVD player isn't that big a concern, because it is all replaceable.
It all gets down to being in some remote campground, and some guy with the same key in the middle of the night decides to make the midnight visit:eek: cause he didn't want to walk all the way to the outhouse.

Like everyone else, I have my original CH751, which opens every compartment on standard quality RV's.

[Jimmerinwi]

[QUOTE=Pmedic4;113630]some guy with the same key in the middle of the night decides to make the midnight visit:eek: cause he didn't want to walk all the way to the outhouse.QUOTE]
That's when he gets introduced to "Mr. Glock!"

[SAD]

If I am gone, my RV is not locked. Yall hep yall selfs.

If I'm sleeping, only the man-door is locked. Gives me 15 seconds advance notice before my "friend" cones out to solve problems for me.

[Kristi]

When we did our walk through, the tech told us not to keep anything in the storage bays that can't be replaced, because so many keys are interchangeable.

SAD- that sounds like DH's attitude. :D

[outwest]

A few weeks ago, one of the sets of keys to trailer was misplaced and the other was locked inside trailer. I couldn't remember if I could enter via the outside storage or not, but figured was worth a shot. So, I took a different key than the CH751, inserted it into outside storage compartment's lock, and used it to simultaneously rake the pins and apply tension. Within 10 secs it was unlocked.

As it turned out, I couldn't enter the trailer that way without doing damage, but was nonetheless an "educational" experience regarding the OEM lock. Not only are the CH751s commonplace, they're also super easy to pick.

Replacing mine with the harder to pick tubular locks http://www.ch751.com Sure, a thief can still use a prybar, but...

[denverpilot]

If anyone wants to see how hard it is to defeat them...

My deadbolt was jammed. 5 minutes with a cordless drill and a Phillips screwdriver...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/30/munyrezu.jpg

Note: If you really wanted in, and didn't care about the door or noise, 2 minutes with a sawsall around the lock...

It's just thin aluminum and foam around it...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/30/tequ8ena.jpg

If you're counting on that to "protect" anything inside... Good luck! :)

[chgo_spartan]

We recently lost one of our sets of keys to our RV, and I contacted the dealer about getting a new set of keys. The person was very helpful :), almost too helpful. He said yes, we can get those keys, and it would take about a week, but then he said, you can go to "RVLocksandmore.com", and order the keys yourself.
My first thought was, well isn't there any validation of the model and the keys I have? Thanked the guy, and went to the website, and as he described, there were the keys for our RV, for $2.75. Codes for all common keys are listed right there, so whatever key (Fastec or GLobal Link), for any code I want, is right there for the ordering. Better yet, for $70, I could order an entire set of all keys for probably about 80% of the RVs on the market. So then you start thinking....
How secure is our RV? Yes, it would be real easy to break into most RV's without great difficulty, probably lots of damage, but hey, it's not mine so who cares!
The question is, does this bother anyone else. I've always known there are only a few unique locksets for RVs, but the ease to obtain the keys is much worse than I could imagine. :eek:

We just got a new trailer and I noticed the outdoor storage keys have the exact same number on them as the trailer we traded in, which is a completely different manufacturer, so I'm guessing the master key is the same too. Kinda scary, glad we have a dog when we camp.

[hankpage]

We just got a new trailer and I noticed the outdoor storage keys have the exact same number on them as the trailer we traded in, which is a completely different manufacturer, so I'm guessing the master key is the same too. Kinda scary, glad we have a dog when we camp.

There is no master key ... 90% of all storage compartment keys (and other access hatches) are the same CH751 key.

[chgo_spartan]

There is no master key ... 90% of all storage compartment keys (and other access hatches) are the same CH751 key.

Sorry, by master key, I meant the black plastic covered door key. I'm assuming those are probably all the same too.

[hankpage]

Sorry, by master key, I meant the black plastic covered door key. I'm assuming those are probably all the same too.

I think there are about fifty different keys from two manufacturers but if you give the key number they will sell anyone a new key or a master ..... so they might as well be all the same.

[HappyCamperMN]

Sorry, by master key, I meant the black plastic covered door key. I'm assuming those are probably all the same too.

Our 31BHPR has two doors. Each door has a different key. Actually, both keys operate the normal door lock of either door. But when it comes to the deadbolt in the door, only they key for that door operates the deadbolt.