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02-18-2018, 06:10 AM
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I know of no one pulling alone. When taking the test for an rv you should be permitted your spotter.
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02-23-2018, 02:28 PM
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Just replace your GVWR stickers with lighter versions. problem solved!
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02-24-2018, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonas
Just replace your GVWR stickers with lighter versions. problem solved!
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300# on either sticker would work for me. Get the printer fired up.
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02-26-2018, 10:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonas
Just replace your GVWR stickers with lighter versions. problem solved!
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LOL! I've thought about it! Probably work if you got pulled over, but definitely not if an insurance company was involved!
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02-26-2018, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MattE303
LOL! I've thought about it! Probably work if you got pulled over, but definitely not if an insurance company was involved!
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I have over 3400# cargo capacity with the Montana. My wife and I have not even used half. Could trade the F350 for an F250 and that would work by dropping the truck from 11,500 to 10,000 gvwr. Now I'm 200# over. Just not going to worry about it. That 90 backup without my spotter would take luck. Now, if I could use a semi trailer it is easier.
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02-27-2018, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptnJohn
I have over 3400# cargo capacity with the Montana. My wife and I have not even used half. Could trade the F350 for an F250 and that would work by dropping the truck from 11,500 to 10,000 gvwr. Now I'm 200# over. Just not going to worry about it. That 90 backup without my spotter would take luck. Now, if I could use a semi trailer it is easier.
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I'm in a similar situation, our toy hauler has a ridiculous cargo capacity; GVWR is 16,755, but fully loaded and ready to go we're right around 14,000lbs. Wish I could 'derate' the GVWR to 15,000; I wouldn't need a Class A license and still have plenty of room to spare.
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02-27-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MattE303
I'm in a similar situation, our toy hauler has a ridiculous cargo capacity; GVWR is 16,755, but fully loaded and ready to go we're right around 14,000lbs. Wish I could 'derate' the GVWR to 15,000; I wouldn't need a Class A license and still have plenty of room to spare.
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Don't know if Keystone thinks we haul bags of concrete or what. Even with all the storage space I have no idea where anyone could put 3400# of stuff!
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02-27-2018, 10:56 AM
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800 lbs of water, a few quads and motorcycles... at that's 2000 lbs, plus whatever living gear you've got.
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02-27-2018, 11:07 AM
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My Cougar XLite 27RKS has a cargo capacity of 2864 and it's only 31' long with a GVW of 10,000 lbs. We usually run a trailer weight of around 9000 pounds. That's putting about 1864 pounds of cargo plus a full fresh water capacity in the trailer. Some of our return trips from dry camping with full tanks (28+56 gallons) <we have small tanks> puts that potential cargo weight around 2500-2600 if we leave camp with a full fresh water tank along with full holding tanks....
Who would think that you can actually put 2600 pounds in a 31' fifth wheel?
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02-28-2018, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dcg9381
800 lbs of water, a few quads and motorcycles... at that's 2000 lbs, plus whatever living gear you've got.
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The 370BR is not a TH, just built for 2. No way we can stuff over 3400# of stuff even when we snowbird for 2-3 months.
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03-01-2018, 02:11 AM
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GVWR and CGVWR
In my state, Illinois, they also have the requirement for a non-CDL Class A or non-CDL Class B for RV's. Not surprisingly, there are quite a few people here who don't get the proper classification of license, because they simply read, RV's are exempt. But that's a separate topic.
Now, what a lot of people don't understand is, the requirement is based on the GVWR and CGVWR of their Tow Vehicle. JRTJH points this out, but people tend to miss-apply the critical factor of the RATING, not the actual weight of your TV and RV.
Likely if you have a Ford or RAM 1 ton dually (for good or bad, the Chevy/GMC models don't seem to have a rating over 26,001?), the CGVWR is over 26,001 pounds. For example, the current FORD 350 duallies are rated at 30,000+, and the RAM 3500 duallies are rated at 30,000+. Technically, if your trailer, regular or fifthwheel are rated above 10,000, yes in Illinois you would need a non-CDL Class A, and if you don't pull a trailer that heavy, they at minimum you'd need a non-CDL Class B.
So the point is, don't fret about the CAT Scales, you can simply look in a Towing guide about your truck, and it will tell you the GCVWR, and from that you would know what license you are required to have - most can do it by applying your VIN number.
So, do people do it, yes, I have full-timer relatives that drive a 40,000 pound motorhome with a Class D license (they don't tow over 10,000 pounds), which in Illinois is limited to GVWR of 8,000 pounds. I sure hope they don't have an accident. I'd hate to think what their insurance company would do if their Tiffin Motorhome was totaled.
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12-16-2018, 09:04 PM
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Quick update...I passed and a happy camper
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12-17-2018, 06:58 AM
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My thoughts are that with the growth of the RV industry and more people towing or driving RV's you will see more accidents happening. With more accidents you see more and more TV and MH grossly overloaded which starts to draw attention by various states and along with valid complaints from the trucking industry on why they are being held to a higher standard while the states turn a blind eye to the RV industry. Most regulations are written in blood which is typically caused by a few and then we all have to live with them. It's apparent that we cannot police ourselves, so eventually the government will.
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12-17-2018, 09:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by liv42day777
My thoughts are that with the growth of the RV industry and more people towing or driving RV's you will see more accidents happening. With more accidents you see more and more TV and MH grossly overloaded which starts to draw attention by various states and along with valid complaints from the trucking industry on why they are being held to a higher standard while the states turn a blind eye to the RV industry. Most regulations are written in blood which is typically caused by a few and then we all have to live with them. It's apparent that we cannot police ourselves, so eventually the government will.
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Well said. Add the immediate "cash cow" that states will get by weighing (and issuing citations) to improperly licensed drivers/overweight RV's/under-rated TV's and you have the "instant gratification" to justify implementing enforcement of weight/operator license requirements. With the increased fuel efficiency of today's vehicles, the "tax based on gallons sold" system of paying for road maintenance is ineffective. Until another system is developed, augmenting the road funds from the pockets of heavy, improperly licensed RV'ers is one way to enrich the kitty.... Once state "revenuers" realize that, it's only a matter of time......
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