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10-10-2018, 11:48 AM
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Water heater exhaust melted water port
On our first outing with our Springdale Mini 1750RD, we found what appears to be a small design flaw.
When I went to hook the fresh water hose up, I realized it would lay over the hot water heater exhaust. No problem, I'll just tilt it to the side and it's not there. No sweat.
However the lanyard for the fresh water fill was apparently too low and melted right off. Has this happened to anyone else or am I just special? Is there anything anyone thinks I could do to fix this? I was thinking of getting some sheet aluminum and bending it to make a small angled heat shield and using pop rivets to attach to the water heater door.
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10-10-2018, 12:17 PM
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I would discuss it with your dealership service department and make sure they know the problem. Also, it might be good to identify it to Keystone so they are aware of the issue and can look at it from a design/engineering point of view. They may not even be aware that there is a potential problem. You can contact Keystone on their website. Along the top is an "OWNERS" tab, click on that and then click on the "CONTACT US" tab. It will open a page where you can identify the problem to Keystone.
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10-10-2018, 06:49 PM
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Looks like they made a change on the 18,my water hookup is in the rear,they must have put water tank in the front, mines under the dinette.
I like the water tank in the back , with it full in the front it will increase tongue weight if full.what were they thinking
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10-11-2018, 04:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fourfourto
Looks like they made a change on the 18,my water hookup is in the rear,they must have put water tank in the front, mines under the dinette.
I like the water tank in the back , with it full in the front it will increase tongue weight if full.what were they thinking
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That's exactly where it is. I don't know what they were thinking but I don't like it at all. We lost any storage under the bed now since there's wiring and a tank in there now.
I will definitely be contacting both the dealer and Keystone. Not sure what they can do other than make some kind of heat shield/diverter. We did find an article somewhere that it may be possible to turn down the temp so maybe that's a possible fix. Not sure yet so we'll have to see.
Thanks for all the info and I've already got some great ideas for mods on the trailer from seeing others posts.
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10-11-2018, 04:52 AM
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Jacket, don't go for the "turn down the temperature" idea. You end up with warm water and the exhaust from the heater is still the same temperature. It might not run as long, but the exhaust temperature is still the same.
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10-26-2018, 03:21 AM
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I didn't see your post after a search, so I posted the same problem. I just contacted my dealer (with pictures) and will seek their response.
What happened in your case?
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10-31-2018, 05:03 AM
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Update
Glad to know I'm not alone! So Keystone said to bring it in to repair depot so the issue can be documented because they'd never heard of the issue before. I have an appointment for November 6 to bring it in to Camping World. Not my first choice of places but it's the only repair place within 100 miles. We'll see how it goes there and what they and Keystone decide.
How did yours go?
I did find an interesting kit from Camco that can make the water heater electric. You replace the drain plug with a heater rod and then plug it in. It doesn't heat up as fast as gas but no exhaust that way. It's a possible fix if Keystone and Camping World let me down. Here's the link to it and might be a possible solution if all else fails.
https://www.amazon.com/Camco-Hot-Wat.../dp/B0024ECCJW
I'll keep you updated on what I figure out as soon as I have anything.
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10-31-2018, 08:57 AM
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Keystone is saying that the bug screen is causing the melting. I find this hard to believe as the exhaust heat would still be coming out of the same place.
I guess I am on my own.
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10-31-2018, 09:18 AM
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That's easy, remove bug screen. Get a new cap and run the water heater. Take photos or back to dealer after it melts again. See if they have any other reasons besides bad placement of plastic near heat.
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10-31-2018, 09:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken / Claudia
That's easy, remove bug screen. Get a new cap and run the water heater. Take photos or back to dealer after it melts again. See if they have any other reasons besides bad placement of plastic near heat.
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Yep, but they also don't have a better way to keep bugs out of the hot water heater, except to charge me when it happens to fix/clean things up.
I let them know that they suggested the bug screens, sold them to me and installed them. They said they would reimburse me for them.
I let the dealer know there has to be a better solution. It's like letting your house burn down to prove wood burns.
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10-31-2018, 10:38 AM
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(I let them know that they suggested the bug screens, sold them to me and installed them. They said they would reimburse me for them.)
Did they add bug screen,it comes with a screen ?
What happens when hose is hooked up ?
you could try to get a metal cap and a metal diverter for hose hook up.
if they don't help.
I would think everyone with that year / model is going to have problems 1st time out ?
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10-31-2018, 11:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fourfourto
(I let them know that they suggested the bug screens, sold them to me and installed them. They said they would reimburse me for them.)
Did they add bug screen,it comes with a screen ?
What happens when hose is hooked up ?
you could try to get a metal cap and a metal diverter for hose hook up.
if they don't help.
I would think everyone with that year / model is going to have problems 1st time out ?
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I have a brass elbow I will use and turn it sideways to keep the hose as far away as possible from the exhaust. I have plenty of mud daubers where I live and so I really want the screening. If I have to, I will add a thin metal strip above the heater exhaust to deflect the heat away from the hose. Nothing permanent, but when I am hooked up.
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10-31-2018, 11:12 AM
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Pictures
These are the pictures. The screens were added.
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10-31-2018, 11:57 AM
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from your pic h20 is directly over screen.
other 2019 1750rd pics online show it to the left side of cover not over vent.
maybe you got a early build and they made changes.
might help talking to dealer or factory that it was changed at some point.
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11-01-2018, 01:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fourfourto
from your pic h20 is directly over screen.
other 2019 1750rd pics online show it to the left side of cover not over vent.
maybe you got a early build and they made changes.
might help talking to dealer or factory that it was changed at some point.
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I have the 2018 Hideout 177lhs model. I looked at the 2019 pictures I could find and I don't see that they moved anything.
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11-01-2018, 05:07 AM
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Your right ,I was looking at the 1750rd still too close to vent .
looks like same overall set up not sure why different model # and why different location for vent.
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11-01-2018, 05:56 AM
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That is so frustrating to hear that they're going to blame the bug screen. That's the exact same screen I have, convinced to buy by the dealer. If they blame that, they're going to be hearing from me on a phone call because that's the most retarded thing I've heard in awhile. It's a poor design, the end. Own up to it and figure out a way around it. Heat shield/diverter would be a possibility or just swap the gas unit to a completely electric unit. I don't plan to boondock so going all electric doesn't bother me. I guess I'll find out starting Tuesday.
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11-01-2018, 06:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jacketslacker
That is so frustrating to hear that they're going to blame the bug screen. That's the exact same screen I have, convinced to buy by the dealer. If they blame that, they're going to be hearing from me on a phone call because that's the most retarded thing I've heard in awhile. It's a poor design, the end. Own up to it and figure out a way around it. Heat shield/diverter would be a possibility or just swap the gas unit to a completely electric unit. I don't plan to boondock so going all electric doesn't bother me. I guess I'll find out starting Tuesday.
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I would appreciate you letting me know.
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11-01-2018, 07:45 AM
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In addition to the "heat source under plastic couplings" issue on the newer 1750RD models, I find it odd that they didn't add an outside door for the new storage under the dinette seat where the tank is on the 2017. Extra cost I suppose, but it seems kind of inconvenient to disassemble half the dinette area to get at the storage compartment.
The tank on the 2018 must be in the middle of the trailer under the bed since the hot water heater appears to be in the same place. On the 2017 1750RD, the storage under the bed is difficult to get into anyway without propping the mattress on your head or installing a pull-out drawer system of some sort.
That said, you've gotta love the big back windows in a little trailer like that. We had ours backed up to a drop off overlooking Lake Superior this summer watching the ore ships come in and out of Two Harbors. It has been just the right size for the two of us and we can squeeze it into just about any spot available.
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11-01-2018, 08:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rjrelander
In addition to the "heat source under plastic couplings" issue on the newer 1750RD models, I find it odd that they didn't add an outside door for the new storage under the dinette seat where the tank is on the 2017. Extra cost I suppose, but it seems kind of inconvenient to disassemble half the dinette area to get at the storage compartment.
The tank on the 2018 must be in the middle of the trailer under the bed since the hot water heater appears to be in the same place. On the 2017 1750RD, the storage under the bed is difficult to get into anyway without propping the mattress on your head or installing a pull-out drawer system of some sort.
That said, you've gotta love the big back windows in a little trailer like that. We had ours backed up to a drop off overlooking Lake Superior this summer watching the ore ships come in and out of Two Harbors. It has been just the right size for the two of us and we can squeeze it into just about any spot available.
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Yes the tank is under the bed, lots of lost space there. It is a bit annoying to have to remove the cushions and the plywood if we want to get into the storage, but it's not the end of the world.
The back windows are the reason we bought this. We LOVE them for the time we've spent in them and are planning some trips where we know we'd back into some awesome views.
We just need to get this stupid water heater issue figured out.
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