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03-30-2018, 08:08 PM
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Jack on each four corner
Are these just for slight stability or can they be used for leveling?
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03-30-2018, 08:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waltheraustin
Are these just for slight stability or can they be used for leveling?
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If you talking about scissor jacks (manual or electric), they are just for stability.
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03-30-2018, 08:19 PM
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Forgot too mention
Hideout 27dbs is the model. My last Forest River had cheap bars the that was just front and back that did nothing but slight stabilizing. These seem like good jacks
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03-30-2018, 08:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waltheraustin
Forgot too mention
Hideout 27dbs is the model. My last Forest River had cheap bars the that was just front and back that did nothing but slight stabilizing. These seem like good jacks
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I looked at your model and they're just for stabilizing.
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03-30-2018, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BigTexRex
I looked at your model and they're just for stabilizing.
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Ok thanks
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03-30-2018, 08:36 PM
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Found where keystone said they were leveling jacks which they appear to be. Manual but nothing that an impact drill can't fix
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03-31-2018, 02:24 AM
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Keystones website states for the Hideouts, that they are "Four Heavy Duty Stabilizer Jacks"
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03-31-2018, 06:23 AM
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I don't know why but RV manufacturers seem to interchange 'leveling' and 'stabilizing' in media material and brochures but they do. Yes, the scissor jacks mounted on the 4 corners of coach are usually rated to lift 3,000 - 5,000 lbs each. But the frame rails cannot support such lifting methods from the perimeter corners. You will twist/torque/stress the frame. You'll see the effects with interior doors, storage doors, and cabinets. Ask me how I know.
Proper leveling systems will place lifting jacks close to the axles. 4 point leveling systems that have fitments on traditional travel trailers have a set close to the axles, not on the outside corners. Take a look at the picture below at the Ground Control system on a Laredo TT. Larger 5th wheels and toy haulers will use a 6 point system but also have a much stronger frame.
With a manual crank handle, one can easily over tighten (raise) a scissor jack to a point of stressing that corner. What helps eliminate this is an 18 volt cordless drill. There's enough torque in the drill to deploy the stabilizer jacks but with minimal risk of over tightening.
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03-31-2018, 06:49 AM
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This is what I have. I just tightened it up a bit to help one side a bit to help the fridge
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03-31-2018, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by busterbrown
I don't know why but RV manufacturers seem to interchange 'leveling' and 'stabilizing' in media material and brochures but they do. Yes, the scissor jacks mounted on the 4 corners of coach are usually rated to lift 3,000 - 5,000 lbs each. But the frame rails cannot support such lifting methods from the perimeter corners. You will twist/torque/stress the frame. You'll see the effects with interior doors, storage doors, and cabinets. Ask me how I know.
Proper leveling systems will place lifting jacks close to the axles. 4 point leveling systems that have fitments on traditional travel trailers have a set close to the axles, not on the outside corners. Take a look at the picture below at the Ground Control system on a Laredo TT. Larger 5th wheels and toy haulers will use a 6 point system but also have a much stronger frame.
With a manual crank handle, one can easily over tighten (raise) a scissor jack to a point of stressing that corner. What helps eliminate this is an 18 volt cordless drill. There's enough torque in the drill to deploy the stabilizer jacks but with minimal risk of over tightening.
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Thank you by the way! I know now not to get crazy with it
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03-31-2018, 08:04 AM
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If I meet the Hoss that can raise the rv enough with that crank handle to tweak the frame I'll call him "Sir"! You could be able to twist the frame lifting against the "stabilizers" with the tongue jack or the landing gear, using an impact gun possibly, but not much torque/leverage with the crank handle.
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03-31-2018, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by travelin texans
If I meet the Hoss that can raise the rv enough with that crank handle to tweak the frame I'll call him "Sir"! You could be able to twist the frame lifting against the "stabilizers" with the tongue jack or the landing gear, using an impact gun possibly, but not much torque/leverage with the crank handle.
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Roger that, these minor differences between this and the Forest River have me wondering. So far, this is much nicer than the FR
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04-05-2018, 07:19 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if they were not the same stabilizer jack or manufacturer. The manufacturers order from the same spots for supplies. The low price supplier gets the business.
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04-05-2018, 11:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by travelin texans
If I meet the Hoss that can raise the rv enough with that crank handle to tweak the frame I'll call him "Sir"! You could be able to twist the frame lifting against the "stabilizers" with the tongue jack or the landing gear, using an impact gun possibly, but not much torque/leverage with the crank handle.
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Hasnt been an issue with the Springdale, but with my 86 Komfort Lite if I tried to use the jacks to level it would either compress door frame so much you couldnt open the door, or depending on pad site and angles door latch would never catch the hasp.
A lot of learning the hard way with that old rig. Also a set of Anderson leveling blocks changed my whole game.
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