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Old 05-20-2018, 11:53 AM   #61
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Lol, she's a good navigator
We are lucky thay our boss is a dog lover. Mine are back in the shop most of the time. He brings his golden. She's a great kid distractor while moms and dads are doing the stuff that takes times like signing docs.
The UPS guy has them all trained that's for sure. The Fed Ex guy doesn't bring treats but they follow him around like he has some. They recognize the uniform and the truck and figure treats.
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Old 05-20-2018, 12:04 PM   #62
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It's already been said but there are good dog "parents" and not so good. I take my dogs just about everywhere that they are ALLOWED. If they aren't allowed they are in the truck, trailer, or home.
We get that not everyone wants our dog to meet them so they are on leash when around people. Off leash when away from camp, other dogs, and people. Getting dogs off the leash is one of the reasons we go camping.
As far as dogs and food, we take our dogs to brunch occasionally on an outdoor patio that allows dogs. They are on leash and lay next to us at the table. Not sniffing others plates or harassing other patrons or begging for food. So I guess I don't see the problem with having them at an outdoor food establishment where the management approves.

Curious if theres any part of this program that sounds offensive to others that have responded here.
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I had said in a previous post that dogs don't belong in restaurants. With that I meant enclosed, crowded type restaurants. Even IF they are allowed. There are too many folks with phobias, allergies etc. for the owner to insist that they take their dog into something like that. All we as dog owners do then is reinforce their dislike of us and the animals and perpetuate the stories of "THOSE people" (dog owners). There is no valid reason to try to do that; the dog doesn't have to be with the owner; it doesn't have to go inside so it can eat...or lay down. It's there because the owner WANTS it to be.....because. My dog can legally go anywhere I do, but I don't because most of the time it isn't a necessity - and it can, and has, really upset people. No need for that unless it can't be avoided.

As far as the question if anything about what you said is offensive....not to me. To me there is a distinction between an outdoor type setting on a patio etc. in a dog friendly establishment vs one like I described above - as long as the animals are good and they are on a leash. There is a place in Pagosa Springs with a patio by the river that has some great cinnamon rolls. We like to take our dog with us there and so do other folks. The water bowls are out and they have treats for them. It is open so I don't worry about folks with allergies; after that, in that environment, if a person just doesn't like dogs....they probably shouldn't be there since that is what the place promotes.

And yes, by looking at that puppy's face I think she is all but begging to get her hands....err, paws, on the controls! She looks like my pup; watches every move I make when driving the vehicle; if she thinks I'm pushing the wrong button, or pulling the wrong lever, she perks her ears and cocks her head as if to say "hey, that's not right...do you know what you're doing?", then looks at me with ears up and a piercing stare. Then, I have to double check everything to make sure I didn't make a mistake (just kidding). One of these days I'm just going to have to get in the passenger seat and let her take a spin.....
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Old 05-20-2018, 01:59 PM   #63
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Dogs everywhere....but pigs??

This thread has been about dogs, where they go, should go etc. To lighten things up, what about taking a pig for a ride?....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/20...ed-by-pig.html
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Old 05-20-2018, 06:40 PM   #64
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Just for reference, the only question that can be asked about service animals is if it is a service animal. If the answer is yes then that's the end of the discussion. So just as a note, dont yo IP and pet a service animal. They are working, many times to make sure their owner is safe.
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Old 05-21-2018, 09:32 AM   #65
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NOPE I AM WITH YOU TOO. I HAVE TWO DOGS THEY GO WITH US EVERYPLACE BUT NEVER IN THE FOOD STORE OR EATING ESTABLISMENTS. I LOVE DOGS ALMOST MORE THAN SOME PEOPLE. BUT I WOULD NEVER THINK THAT ALL PEOPLE SHOULD LOVE MY DOGS. WHEN WE GO FOOD SHOPING ONE OF US STAYS IN THE CAR WITH THE PUPS.
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:44 AM   #66
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Exclamation Service Dogs

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Service dogs are suppose to be vested and ID'ed and a real trained service animal would not be peeing on plants in a store or up on a counter sniffing the meat. The problem here is that people can go on line and register their animal for fifty dollars as a service animal because of the way the ADA is written. The other problem and really the biggest problem is that the people at the stores and restaurants and other establishments are not trained or do not know the law because they have never taken the time to read it and are scared that if they refuse a person and their dog they will be chastised in the news or even lose their job. It's really a shame that our law makers did not research what they were writing when they passed the law. Those of us that need them appreciate what was done for us and but the law needs some fine tuning because human nature is that if someone can take advantage of a law and save a dollar they are going to try.
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:57 AM   #67
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Well - Interesting thread. I have always taken the furry friend camping with us. When we leave she usually stays at the trailer and we put all the blinds up so she can see. Pet owners that are not responsible are making it bad for us that are. We had one that had to be in a kennel when we left the trailer, and our first one you could leave her and she was no problem. The people camping next to us did not even know we had a dog (she was in a pop-up). I would never let my dog bark or charge anyone while I am camping. Our dogs always stay on a tie-down when they are in camp and a leash when they are not. They only get to come with us if they are allowed to be at the establishment. No bars, foodie places, stores, etc.
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:07 AM   #68
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I do not own pets. I subscribe to the founders ideals of liberty. If having pets with you all the time is your pursuit of happiness then thatís fine with me. However your right to pursue that happiness ends if it infringes on my pursuit. Businesses that allow animals in rarely get my patronage
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:45 AM   #69
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Service dogs are suppose to be vested and ID'ed and a real trained service animal would not be peeing on plants in a store or up on a counter sniffing the meat. The problem here is that people can go on line and register their animal for fifty dollars as a service animal because of the way the ADA is written. The other problem and really the biggest problem is that the people at the stores and restaurants and other establishments are not trained or do not know the law because they have never taken the time to read it and are scared that if they refuse a person and their dog they will be chastised in the news or even lose their job. It's really a shame that our law makers did not research what they were writing when they passed the law. Those of us that need them appreciate what was done for us and but the law needs some fine tuning because human nature is that if someone can take advantage of a law and save a dollar they are going to try.
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I think owners of service dogs need to be careful of what they wish for. In my conversations with lawmakers about the ADA regarding service dogs, the language is left open and rather vague for a reason - to give deference to those with disabilities that require a service dog and not cause them a hard time. If the law were written with a hundred qualifiers before you could use your dog then it would become so onerous to try to take it with you that you couldn't, or wouldn't, and those that didn't want that animal with you could make your life miserable trying to prove the law allowed you to have it. That is what the law is trying to avoid to my understanding.

In my earlier post I mentioned that the business owners just asking the 2 questions allowed by the ADA would deter a lot of abusers and I think you agree. Personally, I don't think more laws trying to complicate the use of a service dog are required. I do think that if it is an issue for a business owner they should learn the law and ask the questions.

As far as the IDs and vests; one poster said it was a dead giveaway that they were "fake". That's not true. The animal should have the vest and ID anytime it is "working". My dog knows the vest and she's trained to know it means she's working in public. And yes, any dog that pees on flowers, raises up on counters, runs all over the place or anything else like that IS NOT a service dog. YMMV
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:33 PM   #70
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Love my own dog, but don't think I can require you to! I'm a great fan of REAL service animals, i.e., seeing eye dogs, those who alert on pending seizures, etc., but the " emotional support" thing has become a farce. I recently encountered an "emotional support" CHICKEN in a store. Try housebreaking that one! Those laws need some fine tuning!
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