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Old 06-16-2018, 01:18 PM   #1
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Hi. Just picked up a 2016 carbon 33. 35ft, 3 slides... dealer assured me my truck will pull it, but now an acquaintance tells me it may not do it legally.

So my question is this, will a 2500 duramax diesel pull this toyhauler?
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:39 PM   #2
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Yes, a Duramax diesel will "PULL" almost any trailer. After all, it's the same Duramax in a 3500 dually as in the 2500 SRW 3/4 ton truck.

The problem (one you've probably already realized) is carrying the pin weight on the rear axle of your 2500. You've probably got around a 2000-2500 pound maximum payload on your truck. Depending on the hitch you installed (150-300 pounds) and the weight of any other cargo in the truck and the weight of any passengers that will be in the truck, you're probably going to be well over your payload. That means you'll also be well over your truck GVW.

There's a big difference in "pulling" and "towing".....

If you're unsure, find the closest CAT scale (at most larger truck stops) and weigh the rig. That way, you'll know exactly what your truck/trailer combination weights, how much weight is on each axle and how far over (or under)your maximum payload, truck GVW and rig GCW you really are.

You'll get lots of opinions on this and any other forum. Get the weight ticket at a CAT scale and you'll have the "facts" to go along with all the "opinons"....

The CAT scale will tell you much more than this or any other forum will tell you.....
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:41 PM   #3
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More specific info on the truck and the trailer is needed. Info like the exact trailer model number and the truck model....2WD..4WD....shortbed, trim level, etc. Also, the payload sticker info that is on the driver door post....not the GVWR....the Payload/CCC info

Edited:....seems like the Carbon 33 IS the model number..my bad! I looked it up and it is almost identical in weight and size to my Impact 303. I tried towing mine with a 2011 F250 4x4 Diesel CrewCab and it only had 2148 lbs of payload capacity. I also had an aux tank in the bed of the truck which ate up almost 500 lbs of my available payload. I ended up getting a much bigger truck (room for expansion if I decide to go bigger), but I did need a bigger truck anyway....just not one as big as I got.

John's post above is spot on and that is the most accurate way to tell if your truck/trailer combination is within weight rating specs and then take it from there.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:52 PM   #4
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Biker, your hitch weight (which will be the major point of discussion) is listed as 1315# empty. Let's say that you load it up with about 2500# of "stuff" including your motorcycle. For the time being we will "assume" that your hitch weight will now be about 1500 pounds more or less, you have 100# in a WDH, four people at 700#, 200# of fuel and a few miscellaneous goodies in the bed adding up to 300#. At this point your 3/4 ton is at 2800# of cargo. Look at the yellow sticker on the door pillar and read us the cargo capacity....weight it like John suggested, and get back with us.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:54 PM   #5
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2016 carbon 33 travel trailer toyhauler
GVW 13000
dry wt 888
Payload capacity 4115
Hitch wt 1313

2007 sierra crew cab 4wd allison trans duramax diesel

Hope this helps, thanks so much in advance.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:02 PM   #6
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GVWR 9200LB
GAWR FRT 4800LB
GAWR RR 6084LB

Gotta tell you I'm nervous... bought this already.

Thanks again.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:03 PM   #7
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Will be just me and 100 lbs of dog in the truck, with a couple miscellaneous stuffs.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:47 PM   #8
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Being at risk of making a nuisance out of myself, I (or we) was looking for the cargo capacity of the truck. That is going to be where your weakest link may be.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:54 PM   #9
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There is a sticker inside the driver door (newer ones have a yellow strip if I recall) that gives your payload. That is a number you need to know. It will be the best way to "guesstimate" where you are without having scaled numbers.

Just a shot across the bow....at gvw of 13000 lbs. and a 13% tongue weight you will be at 1690. I doubt you will load to gvw with a 4115 payload for the trailer. IF, and that is a big if without the payload number from your door, you payload capacity is 24-2500 lbs. (out of thin air but fairly close) you might have maybe 800 lbs for other stuff. Then 100# for a hitch, 100# for puppy, 200# for you: 400 of that 800 lbs. is gone.


With that big a payload in the trailer you can probably carry all of the things you want in the trailer and not in the bed of the truck to minimize the load in the truck. But, from the seat of the pants, guessing, it is probably doable. As was pointed out, remember that "pulling" (making it move) and "towing" (carrying the weight safely) are two very different things. JMO
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:56 PM   #10
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2016 carbon 33 travel trailer toyhauler
GVW 13000
dry wt 888
Payload capacity 4115
Hitch wt 1313

2007 sierra crew cab 4wd allison trans duramax diesel

Hope this helps, thanks so much in advance.
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GVWR 9200LB
GAWR FRT 4800LB
GAWR RR 6084LB

Gotta tell you I'm nervous... bought this already.

Thanks again.
You might be ok, or close to ok. Even with only a 9,200# GVWR.
Sure it has a 13,000# GVWR but with over 4,000# payload not likely it will be fully to GVWR.
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Old 06-16-2018, 06:49 PM   #11
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You state you already picked it up, did you tow it home? If so how far, and how did it tow?
Is there a scale nearby that you can scale it and give us your numbers loaded with toys?
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:38 AM   #12
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X2 on taking it to a CAT scale to get real numbers. You have plenty of power to "pull" it but need to determine if you have enough payload (aka cargo carrying capacity) to handle the weight. I'd be reluctant to live with being much more than a couple hundred pounds over my GVWR. Air bags will not increase your GVWR.

Toy haulers will tend to be heavy on the pin to balance the heavy load of the "toys" in the back end.
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Old 07-01-2018, 02:30 PM   #13
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There is a website, where you an enter the GCVW, GVR, etc for the truck, and the various weights for the trailer, make some other selections, and it will tell you if the Duramax is capable of handling the trailer weight. The RV salesman doesn't know a thing about your truck. Most will tell you the truck will tow the trailer. The question is whether or not you will be towing safely.
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I'm no expert on the numbers but I have a 2007.5 duramax 3500 (the only difference between the 3500 and 2500 truck is the 3500 has one more leaf spring). I have an 8000 lb when loaded, premier 31 ripr. we tow ours in Colorado from 5500 ft to 9500 ft. the duramax is a horse, it will pull anything. they put Allison trans in most class A rv's and tanks. I think your good on your toy hauler. ask anybody with a duramax and they will tell you the same.
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Old 07-02-2018, 07:41 AM   #16
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Hi. Just picked up a 2016 carbon 33. 35ft, 3 slides... dealer assured me my truck will pull it, but now an acquaintance tells me it may not do it legally.

So my question is this, will a 2500 duramax diesel pull this toyhauler?
To help balance your load and alleviate hitch weight issues, tie the dealer to the rear of your new trailer and drag him down the road till he isn't sure if the truck is adequate!

On a more serious note, it isn't always fun to tow right at the limit of your capability. Once you start pulling the trailer, if you are within the limit, your driving/towing experience will be a lot better if you have plenty of extra capacity and you are not at the end of your limit. I found the towing computation website incomprehensible as I am an idiot I guess. Couldn't make it work for your truck or mine.
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I'm no expert on the numbers but I have a 2007.5 duramax 3500 (the only difference between the 3500 and 2500 truck is the 3500 has one more leaf spring). I have an 8000 lb when loaded, premier 31 ripr. we tow ours in Colorado from 5500 ft to 9500 ft. the duramax is a horse, it will pull anything. they put Allison trans in most class A rv's and tanks. I think your good on your toy hauler. ask anybody with a duramax and they will tell you the same.
I read these statements (for all of the Big 3’s pickups) fairly often on the internet but can someone please point me to a trustworthy website that can verify this? Or is it just another internet myth?
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I read these statements (for all of the Big 3’s pickups) fairly often on the internet but can someone please point me to a trustworthy website that can verify this? Or is it just another internet myth?
With a 700 pound difference in empty weight, them would have to be some heavy leaf spring additions.....
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With a 700 pound difference in empty weight, them would have to be some heavy leaf spring additions.....
I doubt there is a 700# difference in curb weight of a 2500 and a 3500 SRW, more like 100#.
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Itat, that's no myth at least from me. I have looked up Fords ONLY. Using the printed spec sheets they have in their fancy handout booklets. You can also go to the lot and count the springs. But, I have been told RAM and GM are the same but, cannot prove it, I never checked. When you look at f250 or f350 with the same trim level, cab type, bed length, engine, transmission, drive train. You should be able to tell the bodies and interior are the same. Spec sheet will show you the same axles, ratios, same rear ends. Same brakes, same drivelines. Look at the frames there the same. Count the springs and check the tires, that is the difference. Besides the yellow payload sticker. Last time I doubled checked all that was in 2006 before, 2001 before that 1995?. I admit some other changes could have been made since.
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