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Old 08-24-2018, 12:56 PM   #1
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Tow vehicle?

Hello, everyone in Keystone land. I had a 2007 gmc sierra 2500 hd diesel with rear airbags. My problem is that my truck caught fire a couple of weeks ago, and I am waiting for a settlement. my toyhauler 2015 Keystone Cougar 326 SRX Dry Weight 9,745 lbs
Payload Capacity 2,915 lbs
GVWR 12,660 lbs.Hitch Weight 2,260 lbs. When I bought this unit, we were going to live off grid, but medical conditions are putting a stop to that. So, I am wondering would a gas gmc 2500hd or any of the other makes that are similar, because I haven't selected and particular make. We won't be travelling too much, mostly grandchildren sleep in it. I thank you for reading about my predicament, and I appreciate any help you can give me.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:54 PM   #2
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Sure others much more informed than I will post but I will say a definite no. Hitch weight as advertised is probably not close. The true weight when loaded could be upwards of 3000#. Payload will be the enemy of a 3/4 ton...
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Old 08-24-2018, 02:13 PM   #3
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Sorry to hear about the medical issues.

In my mind you are in a quandary so to speak. At 12,660 gvw. you really need a diesel if you are going to tow anywhere. On the other hand, a diesel reduces your payload and with 23-2600 pin weight you will probably be close, if not over, the payload of a 3/4 ton diesel.

You could get a 3/4 ton gas truck which will increase your payload (mine is 3190) but your max tow drops and some might go below the gvw of your trailer. With a lower ratio (4.10) you can get a tow rating of around 15,000 lbs.

Not a lot of help I know but some things to think about. I would suggest a diesel if you think you are ever going to use the trailer to travel much at all but check the weights. You may want to go to a 1 ton if you go with the diesel to get the additional payload capacity. Fire away with questions.
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Old 08-24-2018, 02:35 PM   #4
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I work at a Chevy dealership, I just checked the numbers for a 2500HD with the 6.0L gas engine...

For a 2wd with 4.10 gears, max trailer weight is 14,200#'s, with max GCWR of 21,100#'s.

Same truck with 3.73 gears 9700#'s and 16,600.

So it is possible to do it with a GMC/Chevy truck, but you'll be pushing the limits.
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Old 08-24-2018, 02:38 PM   #5
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Since the 2007 was kind of long in the tooth, seems if it were me, I would be looking for a used vehicle. Is that the plan or are you going to buy new. If you buy used, I would consider a non-towing package type one ton to avoid the 4.10 gears Danny suggested especially if you are going to use the truck a lot when NOT towing. Of course, if you do tow a lot, the 4.10:1 axle will increase your ability to haul your trailer and would be a good thing. I get 7 mpg when not towing with my F250 460 cid so probably shouldn't be giving gas mileage tips bwhahahaha
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Old 08-24-2018, 02:46 PM   #6
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I work at a Chevy dealership, I just checked the numbers for a 2500HD with the 6.0L gas engine...

For a 2wd with 4.10 gears, max trailer weight is 14,200#'s, with max GCWR of 21,100#'s.

Same truck with 3.73 gears 9700#'s and 16,600.

So it is possible to do it with a GMC/Chevy truck, but you'll be pushing the limits.
Yeah, but he can't carry it... just tow it...

Now all he has to do is figure out how to hook up to it, so the pin weight isn't on the truck..

I love them silly towing guides..
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Old 08-24-2018, 02:57 PM   #7
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Escondido Bob, read Javi’s post. You are not giving very accurate info to this member. The weight in the BED of his truck will be way out of the envelope.
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Old 08-24-2018, 03:15 PM   #8
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I don't make this stuff up sports fans, it's straight out of the book, not interweb myths.

Straight from the owners manual...

Fifth-Wheel and Gooseneck Trailering
Fifth-wheel and gooseneck trailers can be used with many pickup models. These trailers place a larger percentage of the weight (kingpin weight) on the tow vehicle than conventional trailers. Make sure this weight does not cause the vehicle to exceed GAWR or GVWR.

Fifth-wheel or gooseneck kingpin weight should be 15 to 25% of the trailer weight up to the maximum amount specified in the trailering chart for the vehicle. See “Weight of the Trailer” under Trailer Towing.

The hitch should be located in the pickup bed so that its centerline is over or slightly in front of the rear axle. Take care that it is not so far forward that it will contact the back of the cab in sharp turns. This is especially important for short box pickups. Trailer pin box extensions and sliding fifth-wheel hitch assemblies can help this condition. There should be at least 15 cm (6 in) of clearance between the top of the pickup box and the bottom of the trailer shelf that extends over the box.

Maximum weights

2500

Fifth-Wheel Gooseneck

1 361 kg (3,000 lb)

I'm not here to sell the OP a truck, he asked a question, I have access to the ACCURATE answers, so I looked them up. If you choose not to believe what the OEM's publish for their vehicles and prefer to go by what the interweb experts say, that's up to you.
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Bob, we all see where you are trying to go with this, but you are only TOWING this RV. In order to stay in the complete envelope you also have to HAUL the RV. Listed pin weight is apparently 2260, average hitch about 250, weight of goodies loaded in the business end of the RV probably another 800 pounds including propane. Four passengers in your TV, plus 28 gallons of fuel in your TV. Any more "stuff" in the cab of your truck? A dog maybe? Every bit of it is added on to the 2260 pin weight. We need to see the cargo capacity from the yellow sticker on the pillar of the truck and then see the CAT scale sheet. Believe me, it simply won't add up in this case. On the other hand, don't believe we haven't seen a lot worse on here....
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Old 08-24-2018, 03:42 PM   #10
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I don't make this stuff up sports fans, it's straight out of the book, not interweb myths.

Straight from the owners manual...

Fifth-Wheel and Gooseneck Trailering
Fifth-wheel and gooseneck trailers can be used with many pickup models. These trailers place a larger percentage of the weight (kingpin weight) on the tow vehicle than conventional trailers. Make sure this weight does not cause the vehicle to exceed GAWR or GVWR.

Fifth-wheel or gooseneck kingpin weight should be 15 to 25% of the trailer weight up to the maximum amount specified in the trailering chart for the vehicle. See “Weight of the Trailer” under Trailer Towing.

The hitch should be located in the pickup bed so that its centerline is over or slightly in front of the rear axle. Take care that it is not so far forward that it will contact the back of the cab in sharp turns. This is especially important for short box pickups. Trailer pin box extensions and sliding fifth-wheel hitch assemblies can help this condition. There should be at least 15 cm (6 in) of clearance between the top of the pickup box and the bottom of the trailer shelf that extends over the box.

Maximum weights

2500

Fifth-Wheel Gooseneck

1 361 kg (3,000 lb)

I'm not here to sell the OP a truck, he asked a question, I have access to the ACCURATE answers, so I looked them up. If you choose not to believe what the OEM's publish for their vehicles and prefer to go by what the interweb experts say, that's up to you.
Now do yourself a favor and look up the "BOOK" on any truck on the lot at your employer... then go look at the STICKER on the door post of that exact truck... the STICKER will always be much less than the "BOOK"

Real world trumps "THE BOOK" every day...

And I'm not here to debate you... I'm telling the REAL WORLD FACTS... not the book..
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