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Old 11-11-2018, 07:54 AM   #41
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Get the 3500. No questions asked it is needed for a good 5er experience. ....

When looking at trucks, like, the physical one you would buy, be sure to check the sticker to see what that specific machines payload rating is - do not just rely on the online specs and get surprised like I did.

I hope this helps you make a well informed decision!
Thanks cookinwithdiesel et al,

The good news wrt to this string is that my original question was wrt Cougar 1/2 ton (Light) 5er or the Mid profile Cougar or other Keystone.

The Good News: I have been convinced that a light (1/2 ton) Cougar wont work.

The Bad News :
1. Is that I am just about convinced that a 3500 SRW wont work for a 14K lbs Cougar.

and

2. that maybe because I may need 4k of 5er cargo --that a Mid Profile wont work?...I need a 19k dry wt (40ft++) and 2 or 3 tons of cargo...

If you accept (as you and I do) that the brochure "max payload" for a 3500 SRW diesel of 3979 is bogus as this would be a configuration of manuel windows, no radio, no console, no carpet, a completely "stripped" no sold version ....and the real payload of an SLE/SLT is closer to 3100 lbs as shown on the "Tire and Loading Information" placard Then you will not be within spec trying to pull a 14k (mid profile Cougar).

YOU MUST HAVE A DUALLY!! ( unless the driver is the only psgr and he/she weighs only 100# and you only carry 5 gal of diesel and no cup of coffee!!) then you can get close to being in spec.
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Old 11-11-2018, 08:06 AM   #42
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Old 11-11-2018, 08:09 AM   #43
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I sometimes dislike being Informed.

Now that I am more informed than I started out....

I now need a dually and a 40++ft 5er @ 23k lbs (which exceeds the dually's towing limit) and ....I am in the $160-200K range or more for TV and 5er

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Old 11-11-2018, 08:17 AM   #44
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Do not fret about the width of a dually. The trailer mirrors stick out further than the wheels and you have never broken off a mirror right?
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Old 11-11-2018, 01:02 PM   #45
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New F350 maybe the answer

Now I'm cookin

I had been looking at 2014-2016 GMCs (low milage) thinking that was the sweet spot. But,

after checking out our local Ford dealer's stock online and reviewing sale brochures; my solution maybe a New 2019 Ford F350XL, CB SRW 4wd.

They are having a nice sale (>$4K off MRSP) and if the sales brochure is as accurate as GMC, the "numbers" are far superior than the used GMCs.

See table below ( recall that blue numbers are from brochures or door placards of actual truck and black are calculated and red are estimates of option wt reduction to MAX payload numbers)
Edit: [ oops the net payload of 3486 should be blue --frm placard and the 594 should be black]

The green shaded is the shocking difference!!

This would allow for an additional 1400 lbs of cargo (350 in 5er and 1050 in TV) should my friends are telling that 1800 cargo for full timers is too small.
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Old 11-11-2018, 02:39 PM   #46
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I would recommend at least a 2017 GMC for the newest gen Duramax - big boost in power and torque. not sure any of the ratings change through for weights.

Generally speaking, the Fords seem to offer higher ratings right now but do not drive as well unloaded (per reviews, I have not driven both). They have better tech options as well until the 2020 model year for the GMC HDs built on the new platform that is currently being tested on public roads. That being said, the Fords seem to cost the most of the big 3 as well when getting max spec/packages.
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Old 11-11-2018, 03:08 PM   #47
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You need to go back and recheck your tow vehicle GVW figures.

If I'm reading your chart correctly, you indicate the F350 SRW GVW is 13,000 lbs. That GVW rating is not available in a SRW truck. The MAXIMUM GVW for a 2019 SRW F350 is 11,500 (special order) or 11,400 (routine order) with an optional 10,000/9,900 GVW in some areas.

In order to get the 13,000 or 14,000 GVW ratings, you'll need to go to a DRW configuration.
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Old 11-11-2018, 04:01 PM   #48
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Not that John needs my confirmation, but he is correct. No SRW's will yield 5550 cargo capacity. Generally it will be in the 3600 range with the 6.7 on board and a few niceties.
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Old 11-11-2018, 05:34 PM   #49
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Not that John needs my confirmation, but he is correct. No SRW's will yield 5550 cargo capacity. Generally it will be in the 3600 range with the 6.7 on board and a few niceties.
Even my basic F350 DRW with the wide front end, camper package and 14K GVWR only has 6200 of payload capacity. Ain't no SRW gonna get there.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:32 AM   #50
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Embarrassed

Jim, John, and cookin,

I did indeed read the DRW values....I should have recognized that the difference between like models of Ford and GMC would NOT yield those values....

And to allow for "best in class" the GTWR of 20700 (ford) vs 17200 (GMC) marketing means nothing with GVWR at 10800....

Back in the dumps

And the Ford 176" bed has several GVWR & Max Payload configs
1. 10000 /3010
2. 10800/3810 (used in the table)
3. 11300/4250
4. 11400/4350
5. 11500/4450

I am not clear why so many configs?

John: your simple statement says it all : a 5er >13K needs a DRW!!
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Old 11-12-2018, 07:08 AM   #51
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I am not clear why so many configs?

John: your simple statement says it all : a 5er >13K needs a DRW!!
The "many configurations" are to comply with all the "STUPID REGULATIOINS AND IRONIC LAWS" enacted by multiple states, federal government offices and even city government agencies.....

Some states write a law saying, "...over 26,000 pounds" some states say, "...over 26,001 pounds", some states say, "...GVW greater than 26,000 pounds" and some states say, "...combined GVW of truck and cargo/trailer of 26,000 pounds." Then you have "homeowner's associations" (gotta love them beasts <often the 500 pound gorilla in the room>) that come up with stupid rules like, "no vehicle with a GVW greater than 11,000 pounds can be parked outside any garage in the community." So, Ford, GM and Chrysler produce a truck with a "rated GVW of 10,800" to be sold in that area while rating "essentially the same truck" at 11,400 in other areas, except for the 11,500 pound GVW which is required for "regulatory purposes" to meet the "commercial vehicle requirements of DOT in that "obscure regulation" that says, "No vehicle may be used for commercial mining that does not have a GVW greater than 11,499 pounds and such vehicles will not be insured by any federally regulated insurance underwriter for the purpose of commercial mining"......

Yeah, I know, tough reading the above because it's so confusing, but try reading the 5 million + pages of "CRAP" that the auto makers must follow in order to get a vehicle certified to sell in all 50 states, Mexico and Canada. Oh, and we haven't yet approached the fuel mileage mandates for vehicles with a GVW over/under 8800 pounds, which was the first motivation to build trucks with a 9000 pound GVW.....

Blame it on "state capitols, Washington and yes, Dorothy, even the "rabbit hole" had an input, at least in Kansas........
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And then throw the "mine's bigger" competition between the manufacturers in the pot.
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I've been following this thread with some interest.
IMHO I think this is what we're moving towards
As the "trailers" get bigger and longer, steam power will will be the new, diesel
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:16 AM   #54
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TV

I did the same thing and got a f250 first account what a heard and read it will pull anything and when we found the trailer we wanted it was 1000 pounds over the cargo rating. Traded up to a f350. I wouldn’t go anything less than a one ton. If your full timing might want to go with a dually
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As far as floorplans go, take a gander at the mid bunk models. We have a 2018 Cougar 368 MBI and love the floorplan. We get a nice rear living with lots of light and still have the extra bedroom. We had a 2014 Chaparral rear bunk and it always felt dark inside. Montana has a mid bunk model that you might want to look at because I agree, a Cougar isn't an extended stay rv. And I also agree with getting the rv first and match the truck to it.
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Old 11-15-2018, 10:10 AM   #56
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Best thing I ever did was purchased a tongue scale for my TT and go to a CAT scale. I am one of the idiots that should know better towing a 2019 Cougar27 RESWE (31 foot 8,100 GVW) with a 2017 F150. I am so close to the limit that a Ford engineer is smiling saying I told you it could tow it. Currently looking at 250's and 350's. My 5er was a Montana and I towed with a 2500 and wished I had a 3500. Just buy a 350/3500, that way you are set if you want to upgrade the trailer. Long story but I stopped camping for a bit due an illness so I sold the 2500 and Montana
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Old 11-15-2018, 11:10 AM   #57
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Didn't realize a tongue scale was that simple to use (just looked them up). Ordered one myself as well

$135 on Amazon for a scale that goes up to 2000# (so will cover any travel trailer and light fifth wheels)
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As far as floorplans go, take a gander at the mid bunk models. We have a 2018 Cougar 368 MBI and love the floorplan. We get a nice rear living with lots of light and still have the extra bedroom. We had a 2014 Chaparral rear bunk and it always felt dark inside. Montana has a mid bunk model that you might want to look at because I agree, a Cougar isn't an extended stay rv. And I also agree with getting the rv first and match the truck to it.
Same model here, and started with a 2500HD - it did ok but obviously was over weight. The new truck has a 4300lb payload!
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:43 PM   #59
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I would do the reverse, find the 5er you want then see what you will need to tow it. It is mostly the payload that is the limiting factor, so by looking at the trailer first you can customize the truck to what you will need and not over buy . As for gas or diesel that is a debate that will last forever, if you plan on being on the road A LOT, then diesel makes sense and will justify most of the increased expense in purchase, maintenance, a fuel costs.
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Old 11-15-2018, 03:16 PM   #60
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Before you buy and before you get your heart set on a TV or TT that will not work or you can't afford you need to educate yourself FIRST.


At least watch THIS video so you understand that neither the TV nor the TT salesperson will know enough to give you the information you need other than tell you "Sure this unit will work" as they only have one goal. Make the sale and get you off the dealer's lot.
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