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11-29-2017, 01:50 PM
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A Possible Point of Interest
Yesterday a friend picked up his new 2017 F150 XLT 4WD Super Cab with 8’ box and heavy payload package. Showed me the payload sticker. 2557 lbs!
Looks like there are high payload half tons out there.
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11-29-2017, 03:48 PM
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So now the million dollar question. Would you feel safer around that TV pulling a 10,000 LB GVWR 5th Wheel, or even a large TT, or a 3/4 ton Diesel, pulling the same trailer? One will probably be "legal" with the 5th wheel and one will not.
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11-29-2017, 04:13 PM
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11-29-2017, 04:20 PM
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A Possible Point of Interest
My friend will be fine towing his 26’ Jayco TT with a quad in the box.
Much better set up than his previous Nissan Titan.
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2018 Jayco Eagle HT 265BHS (previous: 2015 23RB Passport Elite, ProPride)
2015 F250 XLT SB Crew, 6.2l gas
PullRite 16K SuperGlide w/SuperRail
Reese 5th Airborne (bagged) Pin Box
RoadMaster Shock Kit
X-Factor Cross Bracing
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11-29-2017, 04:31 PM
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Impressive numbers, but I'm not comfortable with load range C tires. My concern would be how light the empty tv is compared to the trailer.
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11-29-2017, 05:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hankpage
Impressive numbers, but I'm not comfortable with load range C tires. My concern would be how light the empty tv is compared to the trailer.
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So the guy puts LRE tires on it soon and he has a monster. That is an impressive number, and it would be 300 lbs highger with a 2WD!
It is only a double cab, not a crew, so that would make it tighter in the back for passengers, but still. That's impressive.
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11-29-2017, 05:50 PM
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Damn, that's a higher rating than my Ram 2500!
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11-29-2017, 06:27 PM
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The HD Payload package makes a big difference. It seems like a great truck/trailer combination to me.
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11-29-2017, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 5th_Wheelin
Damn, that's a higher rating than my Ram 2500!
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Yes it is, now drop your 13K Cougar on it and see what happens.
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11-29-2017, 07:36 PM
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Just 47# lighter than the neighbors 2500 diesel
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11-29-2017, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kfxgreenie
Yes it is, now drop your 13K Cougar on it and see what happens.
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That's a strawman argument that no one is making. The trailer is described as a 26' Jayco, which will be well within the limits of this truck.
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11-30-2017, 09:49 AM
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So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?
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11-30-2017, 10:09 AM
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Jeff,
Other than "bragging rights" along the lines of, "My little one can carry as much your big one"... I can't think of much reason to build a "big, little truck".....
Possibly it's a marketing thing for those few who refuse to buy a HD truck because they ride so much worse than a half ton?? But, by the time you add all those "HD parts", who knows ????
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11-30-2017, 10:47 AM
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A Possible Point of Interest
In my friend’s situation, he only tows ~60 miles each way to the race track he is a marshall at, six times a year. The TV is mostly a daily driver.
He concluded that the TV purchase was the best match for his needs and WITHIN spec.
So in his situation it made sense to him not to buy a SD.
And I suspect his 5.0 will get better mileage than my 6.2 as a daily driver.
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11-30-2017, 10:54 AM
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Maybe this is what Detroit is building to pull all of those half-ton towable trailers? You just never know.
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11-30-2017, 12:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?
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This would be my concern. Just how much of the running gear did they replace....or not? Maybe they just added about 4 springs to the spring pack and let it go at that. Then all you're doing is overloading a 1/2 ton truck. If they replaced everything it would be a HD truck.....right?
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11-30-2017, 12:57 PM
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Hate to be negative, but this adds to the justification for doubting the validity of the payload/GVW rating system...particularly with LRC tires. So, maybe not so impressive to me.
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11-30-2017, 01:08 PM
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I don't think the LRC tires would matter in this case. The listed max GVWR of the F150 with this package is 7850. The LRC tires should hold 9880.
My question is around price. If you buy an uncommon truck, it could be priced similar to a 3/4 ton truck. You can typically get 9-12k off a truck on the lot.
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11-30-2017, 01:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert185
Hate to be negative, but this adds to the justification for doubting the validity of the payload/GVW TAX system...
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There fixed it for ya.
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11-30-2017, 03:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?
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There really isn't any such thing as a 1/2 ton as far as I can tell.
Different wants and needs. Why make a Camaro and Charger; doesn't the Corvette and Challenger cover the fast crowd? Why make a Colorado, shouldn't everyone just buy a Silverado?
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