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Old 11-29-2017, 01:50 PM   #1
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Yesterday a friend picked up his new 2017 F150 XLT 4WD Super Cab with 8’ box and heavy payload package. Showed me the payload sticker. 2557 lbs!



Looks like there are high payload half tons out there.


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Old 11-29-2017, 03:48 PM   #2
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So now the million dollar question. Would you feel safer around that TV pulling a 10,000 LB GVWR 5th Wheel, or even a large TT, or a 3/4 ton Diesel, pulling the same trailer? One will probably be "legal" with the 5th wheel and one will not.
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:13 PM   #3
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:20 PM   #4
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My friend will be fine towing his 26’ Jayco TT with a quad in the box.

Much better set up than his previous Nissan Titan.


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Old 11-29-2017, 04:31 PM   #5
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Impressive numbers, but I'm not comfortable with load range C tires. My concern would be how light the empty tv is compared to the trailer.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:40 PM   #6
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Impressive numbers, but I'm not comfortable with load range C tires. My concern would be how light the empty tv is compared to the trailer.
So the guy puts LRE tires on it soon and he has a monster. That is an impressive number, and it would be 300 lbs highger with a 2WD!
It is only a double cab, not a crew, so that would make it tighter in the back for passengers, but still. That's impressive.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:50 PM   #7
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Damn, that's a higher rating than my Ram 2500!
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Old 11-29-2017, 06:27 PM   #8
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The HD Payload package makes a big difference. It seems like a great truck/trailer combination to me.
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Old 11-29-2017, 07:27 PM   #9
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Damn, that's a higher rating than my Ram 2500!
Yes it is, now drop your 13K Cougar on it and see what happens.
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Old 11-29-2017, 07:36 PM   #10
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Just 47# lighter than the neighbors 2500 diesel


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Old 11-29-2017, 08:08 PM   #11
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Yes it is, now drop your 13K Cougar on it and see what happens.
That's a strawman argument that no one is making. The trailer is described as a 26' Jayco, which will be well within the limits of this truck.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:49 AM   #12
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So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:09 AM   #13
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Jeff,

Other than "bragging rights" along the lines of, "My little one can carry as much your big one"... I can't think of much reason to build a "big, little truck".....

Possibly it's a marketing thing for those few who refuse to buy a HD truck because they ride so much worse than a half ton?? But, by the time you add all those "HD parts", who knows ????
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:47 AM   #14
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In my friend’s situation, he only tows ~60 miles each way to the race track he is a marshall at, six times a year. The TV is mostly a daily driver.

He concluded that the TV purchase was the best match for his needs and WITHIN spec.

So in his situation it made sense to him not to buy a SD.

And I suspect his 5.0 will get better mileage than my 6.2 as a daily driver.

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Maybe this is what Detroit is building to pull all of those half-ton towable trailers? You just never know.

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Old 11-30-2017, 12:31 PM   #16
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So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?

This would be my concern. Just how much of the running gear did they replace....or not? Maybe they just added about 4 springs to the spring pack and let it go at that. Then all you're doing is overloading a 1/2 ton truck. If they replaced everything it would be a HD truck.....right?
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:57 PM   #17
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Hate to be negative, but this adds to the justification for doubting the validity of the payload/GVW rating system...particularly with LRC tires. So, maybe not so impressive to me.
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I don't think the LRC tires would matter in this case. The listed max GVWR of the F150 with this package is 7850. The LRC tires should hold 9880.

My question is around price. If you buy an uncommon truck, it could be priced similar to a 3/4 ton truck. You can typically get 9-12k off a truck on the lot.
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Hate to be negative, but this adds to the justification for doubting the validity of the payload/GVW TAX system...
There fixed it for ya.
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Old 11-30-2017, 03:53 PM   #20
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So what is the advantage of putting 3/4 ton/1 ton running gear, axles, brakes, bearings, leaf springs, tires, etc. etc. and calling it a "1/2 ton" truck?
There really isn't any such thing as a 1/2 ton as far as I can tell.

Different wants and needs. Why make a Camaro and Charger; doesn't the Corvette and Challenger cover the fast crowd? Why make a Colorado, shouldn't everyone just buy a Silverado?
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